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Polymerized Cum posted:That buzzing sound you all hear in the background is the flurry of 787 orders being switched to A350. I doubt people in charge of that kind of decision are doing this prior to finding out where the fire started. http://www.nycaviation.com/2013/07/developing-ethiopian-boeing-787-involved-in-incident-at-london-heathrow/#.UeA-nkHVCYS Aft galley, perhaps, maybe someone stuck a fork in the microwave.
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Yeah this looks more like a galley fire than a battery one. The fire was located at the back of the plane in the cabin. The batteries are located at the front of the plane underneath the cabin. Also, the plane arrived at LHR at 6:30 am and caught fire at 4:30pm. It should have been totally powered down at that point. Seph fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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Jul 12, 2013 19:36
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So a hole burnt through the top of the fuselage... is that repairable?
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movax posted:Wind River Hey now, those only crash sometimes. Also they wont be making whatever board they are using when (if) the X47 goes into production. So tack another few mill onto the price for DMS.
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Seph posted:Yeah this looks more like a galley fire than a battery one. The fire was located at the back of the plane in the cabin. The batteries are located at the front of the plane underneath the cabin. Unfortunately the words '787' and 'fire' have already been together in a headline 
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Jul 12, 2013 19:49
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That fire is right above the FA crew rest area I think, really hope its not electrical related.
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Jul 12, 2013 19:54
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Picture of the damage. This looks pretty bad. Anyone have any idea if this is repairable?
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Seph posted:Yeah this looks more like a galley fire than a battery one. The fire was located at the back of the plane in the cabin. The batteries are located at the front of the plane underneath the cabin. There's also a battery in the aft (adjacent to the galley) for the APU.
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Seph posted:Picture of the damage. This looks pretty bad. Anyone have any idea if this is repairable? Of course, you just drill out the rivets-oh... that's going to suck to fix.
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ehnus posted:Of course, you just drill out the rivets-oh... that's going to suck to fix. Maybe flight-rated Bondo kind of like that speed-rated duct tape 
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Jul 12, 2013 20:13
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I bet Boeing will repair that regardless of cost. They're going to do pretty much anything to avoid a 787 hull loss I imagine.
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ehnus posted:Of course, you just drill out the rivets-oh... that's going to suck to fix. I like how the livery is so you know that every angle of it will make sure to frame the "Boeing 787" label. So how are composite airliners put together?
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Looking up some of the fuselage photos, it looks like that rear section might be able to be replaced.
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Looks like the burn marks stop before the edge there so thats good I guess?
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dietcokefiend posted:So a hole burnt through the top of the fuselage... is that repairable? normally, yeah, but 787... I'm curious to know what the Structural Repair Manual says. I'm going on course at the end of the year so I'm sure I'll find out. Though the temptation is to assume it's another fault with the airframe, it's also Ethiopian. I have personally seen the poo poo they fly in and out, and suffice to say they would not be released as serviceable by any reputable airline. Their engineer is one of the nicest guys you could meet, but I wouldn't want to have his job.
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THE RED MENACE posted:There's also a battery in the aft (adjacent to the galley) for the APU. It isn't in this Boeing document though? http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/arff/arff787.pdf (page 7)
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Linedance posted:normally, yeah, but 787... I'm curious to know what the Structural Repair Manual says. I'm going on course at the end of the year so I'm sure I'll find out. Yeah, but they only received their first 787 on August 14, 2012, that's not a whole lot of time to get clapped out.
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ehnus posted:Yeah, but they only received their first 787 on August 14, 2012, that's not a whole lot of time to get clapped out. Not to mention the time it was grounded from the battery issue the first time.
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movax posted:What's the AI IRC? It's actually #flightsim. Years ago the Ask/Tell thread tried to start a pilot/aviation channel and I was the only one in it for months.
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Phy posted:A team from University of Toronto have won the Igor Sikorsky Human Powered Helicopter competition, which includes a $250,000 prize. How'd they do it? With a monstrous yet extremely lightweight quadrotor powered by a dude on the better part of a bicycle frame. How monstrous are we talking? The quadrotor takes up a great deal of an indor soccer park, and the blade speed seems to be on the order of about 10 rpm. Wow! When I was a kid, I had a book of the early attempts at building flying machines. Balloons, ornithopters, things that looked like a box kite with tumors, you name it. Most of them were designed by men with balls of steel and not much understanding of flight... or engineering. That quadrotor looks like something straight out of that book. I have the goofiest grin right now.
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hobbesmaster posted:It isn't in this Boeing document though? http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/arff/arff787.pdf But there's a picture of an aft APU battery in the galley? There's no way it caused that fire though. Edit: wait is that at passenger level or below deck? Double edit: of course its below deck I'm an idiot Gorman Thomas fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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People at Waddington getting the hairdryer treatment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxLg2iRkOdQ Leading to an amazing RAF Statement posted:The approach of the Typhoon was completely normal. Individuals placing themselves under the flight path should not be surprised if they experience jet wash. Which I guess is military speak for  don't stand there dumbshits that's why there's a sign telling you not to
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THE RED MENACE posted:But there's a picture of an aft APU battery in the galley? There's no way it caused that fire though. But the aft battery bay is between doors 2 and 3 and the fire was like right above door 4? The burn marks are where the FA rest area is... hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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hobbesmaster posted:But the aft battery bay is between doors 2 and 3 and the fire was like right above door 4? Oh I agree that the APU battery didn't cause the fire. I was just pointing out that it exists.
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block51 posted:X-47B stuff So when do Jessica Biel and Jaime Foxx show up? Edit: You know, I'm surprised at how relatively inexpensive it is to get trained up and certified as a private pilot, even including aircraft rental and fuel. The school at a regional airport by me is under $9k for everything needed to gain a private pilot license. $9k all in. They say the course is designed to be completed full-time in 14 days, which seems like a very short amount of time in which to go from never flying anything to soloing. Jealous Cow fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jul 12, 2013 |
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KTVU (San Francisco area TV station) fails at journalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sat3m3cj-u8
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Craptacular posted:KTVU (San Francisco area TV station) fails at journalism. 
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ahahahahaahah Probably not even an intern, people are loving moronic. @KTVU if you feel like throwing poo poo there way. Asked if it was an intern.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:People at Waddington getting the hairdryer treatment On the subject of which... I was moderately disappointed by Waddington. It was the first airshow I've been to since 1987, ie prior to Ramstein, so I was somewhat expecting a neutered display. But I dunno, just not the same without low level passes, fuel-air explosions, or even a proper vulcan scramble (granted, they stopped in '81 anyway, so didn't see any for the last few years when I went regularly).
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SybilVimes posted:On the subject of which... I was moderately disappointed by Waddington. It was the first airshow I've been to since 1987, ie prior to Ramstein, so I was somewhat expecting a neutered display. But I dunno, just not the same without low level passes, fuel-air explosions, or even a proper vulcan scramble (granted, they stopped in '81 anyway, so didn't see any for the last few years when I went regularly). The problem is that we just don't have the air power these days. I grew up at RAF Finningley where my dad was stationed during the 80's. Airshow day was a full-on affair with a display of every aircraft we had - Lightning, Buccaneer, Jaguar, Phantom, Tornado, Herc, Nimrod, Shack, BoB flight, the Arrows to name but a few and that was just ours, never mind all the international displays. I went to Waddo the other year and thought it was crap, a display of a Dassault Falcon by some contractor to the RAF (Cobham)? FFS I'm not interested in that!
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hobbesmaster posted:But the aft battery bay is between doors 2 and 3 and the fire was like right above door 4? No crew rest on this aircraft. Ethiopia didn't order one.
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Insider factory update: The Challenger 350 is doing quite well, first test set of wings are in the box jig, first production set of wings are in the structures jig. There's not more then 50 challenger 300 wings to be completed, iirc and then full production of the 350 will commence. CS series airplanes have had recalls of bombardier employees returning to de-happy-land within the past 3 weeks. Expect CS series airplanes to be in production within the next month. Air Canada is going to have a poo poo as soon as Porter has the CS in operation.
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Terrible...it made me laugh. Third person died today.
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Confirming is such a weird term to use here, it makes it look like the news called and said "are these comedy names the actual names of the pilots?" and he said "yup".
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VikingSkull posted:Confirming is such a weird term to use here, it makes it look like the news called and said "are these comedy names the actual names of the pilots?" and he said "yup". The intern probably thought it was a prank call from his frat brothers or something.
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Ok so wait, did someone tell the news those names, and then they called the NTSB and it was confirmed? Or did they call the NTSB and ask for names and the intern told them those? If it's the first and they got trolled by two people, that's amazing.
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Holy poo poo  Someone had to have looked at these before they went on air? "Seems legit!"
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VikingSkull posted:Ok so wait, did someone tell the news those names, and then they called the NTSB and it was confirmed? Or did they call the NTSB and ask for names and the intern told them those? I think someone told the news station those names and the NTSB confirmed. Also, this is disturbingly cheap: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/listing?id=1654823 Since the 411 was only made for a few years and has had a suspiciously high accident rate maybe they're hard to unload?
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