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Dice Dice Baby
Aug 30, 2004
I like "faggots"
drat it, Panorama is so addictive useful

I hope the update installation detects people who uses it and offers to install the add-on during the installation

That would rock

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FRINGE
May 23, 2003
title stolen for lf posting
This is a powerful feature and they should have PR'ed it instead of dropping it.

Ryokurin
Jul 14, 2001

Wanna Die?

FRINGE posted:

This is a powerful feature and they should have PR'ed it instead of dropping it.

I don't think it would have made a difference in use however since it's only is useful to power users who like to have things like 25 tabs open and such, which most people don't. To the average user, it's kind of like Win+Tab in Vista and 7, nice to show off, but quickly forgotten.

This brings up a dammed if you do/don't situation though. There's still a lot of people who love to call Firefox bloated because of whatever new feature that's added that they don't care for, but they also don't hold back on blasting them for dropping features that no one uses. I do agree that they need to make it more clear that the feature is now a plugin but I still tend to think that still won't quiet the fans of the feature.

pipes!
Jul 10, 2001
Nap Ghost

FRINGE posted:

Most of what they think is bullshitbullshit ~their opinion~ bullshitbullshit anyway.

Is it?

Sergeant Rock
Apr 28, 2002

"... call the expert at kissing and stuff..."
You can't dismiss the entire discipline of UX design that way.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
Annnnnnnnd Firefox 22 breaks all my tab extensions again. Tabs on the bottom of the window again impossible until whatever.

Gerudo Rivera
Jan 22, 2005

Amazingly just one of my, uh, 70 extensions has broken since I started with version 20. tabcloud can't save tabs anymore in firefox 22. Seeing as it hasn't been updated since 2011, I'm in the market for an alternative. Anyone know of any other extensions that let you sync open tab sessions between different devices?

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

Gerudo Rivera posted:

Amazingly just one of my, uh, 70 extensions has broken since I started with version 20. tabcloud can't save tabs anymore in firefox 22. Seeing as it hasn't been updated since 2011, I'm in the market for an alternative. Anyone know of any other extensions that let you sync open tab sessions between different devices?
Does the Firefox Sync that's built into the browser do what you want? It allows you to synch tabs between devices.

Gerudo Rivera
Jan 22, 2005

Alereon posted:

Does the Firefox Sync that's built into the browser do what you want? It allows you to synch tabs between devices.

Not quite. I'm trying to sync multiple separate sessions of tabs so that they can be accessed later. The Session Manager extension lets me back up sessions to my local machine, but provides no means by which to sync them between machines. I might be able to rig something up with dropbox, though, come to think of it...

Gerudo Rivera fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jul 11, 2013

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Alereon posted:

Does the Firefox Sync that's built into the browser do what you want? It allows you to synch tabs between devices.

That feature has never worked.

Rather, it did something, I think, but it was completely useless and not what was suggested by the name.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

fivre posted:

That feature has never worked.

Rather, it did something, I think, but it was completely useless and not what was suggested by the name.
It does work, though your tabs on other devices are accessible from the History menu (or Synched Tabs bar on mobile) and not on the main tab bar.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



When I access a webpage and zoom in on content, if I leave the page and return in the same browsing session, the page is still zoomed in. How do I stop Firefox from storing the zoom data so a page will always start on the default zoom level, without needing to manually reset the zoom every time?

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Alereon posted:

It does work, though your tabs on other devices are accessible from the History menu (or Synched Tabs bar on mobile) and not on the main tab bar.

Right. So it syncs history. Which is different from open tabs.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

fivre posted:

Right. So it syncs history. Which is different from open tabs.
That's what your open tabs are, the subset of your most recent history that has not been closed. It sounds like you're expecting all of your devices to share a tab bar, which sounds cool on the face until you think through the implications. What if you have multiple browser windows open? What if you close a tab on another device, do you lose data in the tab on this device? Do you really want your porn tab you left open at home to pull up on your other devices? None of these are insurmountable challenges but they do mean that it can't "just work" the way it sounds like you were hoping because the browser can't know what the "right thing" to do in a given situation is for you.

bsaber
Jul 27, 2007
Xmarks syncs open tabs too.

Gerudo Rivera
Jan 22, 2005

Alereon posted:

That's what your open tabs are, the subset of your most recent history that has not been closed. It sounds like you're expecting all of your devices to share a tab bar, which sounds cool on the face until you think through the implications. What if you have multiple browser windows open? What if you close a tab on another device, do you lose data in the tab on this device? Do you really want your porn tab you left open at home to pull up on your other devices? None of these are insurmountable challenges but they do mean that it can't "just work" the way it sounds like you were hoping because the browser can't know what the "right thing" to do in a given situation is for you.

Yeah, Tabcloud was pretty much the ideal implementation of this. Saving tab groups as discrete sessions for later, selective access is the way to go. Fortunately it looks like Session Manager allows for changing the session save directory, so you can just point it to the same dropbox folder on both devices and be on your way :)

bsaber
Jul 27, 2007
Not sure if this a bug or not but I opened a webpage with ~1000 pics which caused Firefox's memory usage to go from ~500MB to ~7GBs (yes that's GB). The same page on Chrome is only about ~1GBs. I'm on Mac OS 10.8.3 if that makes a difference. Anyone else seen this? Is it normal?

Squish
Nov 22, 2007

Unrelenting.
Lipstick Apathy
How about that. I never even knew about panoram and I've been using FF for ages, since ~version 2 or so.

That being said, it seems fairly pointless and I regularly have up to 20 tabs open at a given time. I will say it looks like a good idea, albeit one I don't personally find all that necessary but definitely looks like others would use a lot.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

Since updating to FF22, the "Undo Close Tab" and "Recently Closed Tabs" menu are disabled.



Before I start digging through my many addons for a possible culprit, has this happened to anyone else?

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Which extension adds those menu items in the first place?

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

pseudorandom name posted:

Which extension adds those menu items in the first place?
Most of those should be from Tab Utilities. (Note that the official TU is outdated and you have to google for a user-made fix to make it run on FF22.)

Anyway, now Ctrl-Shift-T and the menu entries work again, after nothing but a few restarts. This puzzles me, since I don't know what may have changed; I had checked when the issue appeared and I wasn't in private mode, which is the only thing I can think of. Oh well.

jink
May 8, 2002

Drop it like it's Hot.
Taco Defender

bsaber posted:

Not sure if this a bug or not but I opened a webpage with ~1000 pics which caused Firefox's memory usage to go from ~500MB to ~7GBs (yes that's GB). The same page on Chrome is only about ~1GBs. I'm on Mac OS 10.8.3 if that makes a difference. Anyone else seen this? Is it normal?

That is due to a MemShrink bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845147

They are working on making decoded images get cleared out of memory when the user no longer has those images visible. The patch was supposed to land in FF22 but they found regressions with scrolling performance and many small images. It has since been fixed and targeted to FF24. Once 24 comes out you should no longer see this massive increase in memory with image heavy pages.

bsaber
Jul 27, 2007

jink posted:

That is due to a MemShrink bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845147

They are working on making decoded images get cleared out of memory when the user no longer has those images visible. The patch was supposed to land in FF22 but they found regressions with scrolling performance and many small images. It has since been fixed and targeted to FF24. Once 24 comes out you should no longer see this massive increase in memory with image heavy pages.

Ah, that's good to know. Thanks!

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

Alereon posted:

Firefox's customizability advantage over Chrome doesn't come from having an Options menu full of page after page of confusing settings nobody uses, it comes from the extensibility that add-ons offer. This change wasn't made because some UX designer decided it was the right way, it was made because there are significantly more people who toggled it, saw their browser break, then complained/contacted support than there were people who actually used the feature. There were also some technical reasons why preventing hiding of the tab bar can simplify things and improve performance, and the overall goal of having fewer settings (by eliminating the ones telemetry shows aren't used).

It's easy to say that you shouldn't be inconvenienced because other people change settings they don't understand and can't fix it, but the reality is that anyone who actually cares can just install the extension to get the old behavior back. This doesn't really cost you much at all, but leaving the option in costs a lot more for impacted users and the support organizations that help them.
One downside of making everything rely on addons though, is that users are in for the job of managing said addons as time goes by, they break, and the authors stop updating them. Anyone who's played World of Warcraft will know what I'm talking about - a major patch equals a day long hell of finding updates to all your addons, and addons simply become unusable over time. Every time a popular addon gets integrated into the game, I breathe a sigh of a relief - phew, don't have to worry about that one anymore.

As I've said before in this thread: Perhaps only a few percent used that Panorama thing, so let's say you're pissing off 2% of the userbase by removing it. Now continue to remove 50 other "niche" features, and suddenly every single user is pissed off to some degree.

Axiem
Oct 19, 2005

I want to leave my mind blank, but I'm terrified of what will happen if I do

Pilsner posted:

As I've said before in this thread: Perhaps only a few percent used that Panorama thing, so let's say you're pissing off 2% of the userbase by removing it. Now continue to remove 50 other "niche" features, and suddenly every single user is pissed off to some degree.

People complain about how bloated Microsoft Word has become for just a simple word processor. Though once upon a time I came across someone from Microsoft who pointed out that while 80% of Word's users only use 20% of the program, that 20% is different for each user. Beyond a couple of really common things ("Paste", as I recall, being the most-used feature), everyone does different things. I suspect that sort of thing is similar in a browser market.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
title stolen for lf posting

Axiem posted:

People complain about how bloated Microsoft Word has become for just a simple word processor. Though once upon a time I came across someone from Microsoft who pointed out that while 80% of Word's users only use 20% of the program, that 20% is different for each user. Beyond a couple of really common things ("Paste", as I recall, being the most-used feature), everyone does different things. I suspect that sort of thing is similar in a browser market.
This is a much better way to look at it.

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

An oldie... font issues in Firefox. I think it's Google's fonts - they look wonky.





I have ClearType disabled on Windows. Fonts look the same in Chrome. They look fine in IE, which I believe forces ClearType on.

I've tried all sorts of fiddling with hardware acceleration and such to no avail.

jink
May 8, 2002

Drop it like it's Hot.
Taco Defender

Pilsner posted:

An oldie... font issues in Firefox. I think it's Google's fonts - they look wonky.





I have ClearType disabled on Windows. Fonts look the same in Chrome. They look fine in IE, which I believe forces ClearType on.

I've tried all sorts of fiddling with hardware acceleration and such to no avail.

Looks like @font-face is failing and falling back on JS rendering. This used to happen on a site I created when I was using Cufon as a backup rendering system.

(It could also be Cleartype... :))

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

Pilsner posted:

An oldie... font issues in Firefox. I think it's Google's fonts - they look wonky.





I have ClearType disabled on Windows. Fonts look the same in Chrome. They look fine in IE, which I believe forces ClearType on.

I've tried all sorts of fiddling with hardware acceleration and such to no avail.
Do you have the latest Beta graphics drivers from the adapter manufacturer installed?

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

Alereon posted:

Do you have the latest Beta graphics drivers from the adapter manufacturer installed?
I have a Geforce, with drivers from 26/2 2013. Why should I try the beta drivers particularly?

Zhentar
Sep 28, 2003

Brilliant Master Genius

Pilsner posted:

I have ClearType disabled on Windows. Fonts look the same in Chrome. They look fine in IE, which I believe forces ClearType on.

Your fonts aren't being smoothed because you disabled it. What's the problem?

Edit: I mean, aside from the limitations of ClearType that drove you to disable it in the first place, of course, and the inability to selectively enable it for the fonts that depend on sub-pixel position to look remotely decent.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

Pilsner posted:

I have a Geforce, with drivers from 26/2 2013. Why should I try the beta drivers particularly?
Updated graphics drivers will fix text rendering errors due to the changes introduced in the updated version of Direct2D pushed via Windows Update. The latest Beta drivers also have significant performance and functionality improvements over the release drivers. That said, if your problem is solely that you're seeing font aliasing when font anti-aliasing is disabled...don't disable font anti-aliasing.

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

... but all other than those google fonts look fine. However, since it's the same problem in Chrome I guess it's not really an FF bug.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

Pilsner posted:

... but all other than those google fonts look fine. However, since it's the same problem in Chrome I guess it's not really an FF bug.

Presumably the Google fonts aren't optimized for non-ClearType rendering.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
So I guess the reason Tab Utilities no longer works and isn't being updated is because the maintainer is dead.

Welp, back to Tab Mix Plus.

fookolt
Mar 13, 2012

Where there is power
There is resistance

fivre posted:

So I guess the reason Tab Utilities no longer works and isn't being updated is because the maintainer is dead.

Welp, back to Tab Mix Plus.

From http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1702465&start=2430 :

http://www.mediafire.com/?1nn780jhkuqh3xt

Granted, this will probably only be good until Firefox 23 :|

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope
Is there a reason that all of my crash reports are corrupted? Is there something I can do to make sure future reports are not?

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

In case anyone else is experiencing copy/paste issues (copy not working on a freshly opened page), there appears to be a fix in the latest beta:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/962451?page=5

I'm trying it out as I type this - it appears to work.

Pilsner fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jul 26, 2013

Eikre
May 2, 2009
For some reason, all videos on Youtube are showing up left-justified instead of inline with description and comments. Ugly as hell.




Is this a known/fixable problem?

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fourwood
Sep 9, 2001

Damn I'll bring them to their knees.
Only help I can give is to say that it's set where it ought to be for me on the same video.

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