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toanoradian posted:I finally watched this movie in IMAX 3D in Melbourne. About halfway through the movie, a guy snored so loud I can hear it over the movie. Poor guy must be so tired, already asleep at about 7 PM. No. Everything you describe happens the same way in every print. The only difference between countries is some odd dialogue and scenes involving Mako talking to someone. Granted it hasn't been released in most of the Asia/Europe, but other countries are saying the only difference is dialogue/translation involving Mako. quote:〢. Wasn't there other robots? I think I glimpsed upon a promotional poster of robots from other countries. What happened? They all died. Also the jaeger program was shut down practically at the beginning of the movie, and with it the discontinuation of most of the jaegers. quote:Г. Do frost really gathers on beards if there's enough hair and it's cold enough? Yeh prolly, i wouldn't know i'm not russian quote:四. Does 3D do anything for this movie? I haven't watched a 3D movie since Ice Age 3 3D, so maybe there's an improvement on that front. This was the first 3D movie I've ever seen, and some people complained about it, but I appreciated the subtle use of it. I was afraid of gimmicky bullshit and images looking that they were on different planes of existence, but all it did was add a lot of depth to the scenes. Especially the ones at sea.
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I think it's just the same movie, no matter where you see it - that would have been a pretty cool thing to do, though! toanoradian posted:
There are only four Jaegers left standing by the time the movie starts. The other robots did exist earlier in the war, but were destroyed by Kaiju attacks.[/quote] toanoradian posted:
Google images suggests that they can be! toanoradian posted:
It doesn't make or break the film, but (in my opinion) it enhances some parts of it. Such as when the Black Markets are scavenging the pregnant Kaiju - I noticed a lot more Kaiju skin parasites crawling all over the place!
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The way they do it in Terminator 2: free them from the system that controls them. Then, befriend them with drifting. Wow, that's a bizarre reading. The Terminator isn't befriended in Terminator 2. It's enslaved. John Connor enslaves a Terminator and sends it back to protect himself. He in fact forces it to participate in its own self-destruction. It's never freed. It remains bound to the rules enforced on it by others even when it actively becomes its own being. It can't even kill itself in the end. It has to plead with the young John Connor (who would otherwise grow up to enslave him) to kill him because he can't do it himself.
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ImpAtom posted:Wow, that's a bizarre reading. The terminator uses a loophole to exceed its own programming and sacrifice itself, taking down skynet and freeing everyone. It's explicitly christological imagery.
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Thanks for the answers, everyone. Man, the triplets seem really interesting, too  I want to learn how complex their formations really are. I don't know why their blades aren't as strong as Gypsy Danger's, though.Lt. Danger posted:Why is it that the monsters are defeated through technology (giant robots, not matter how outdated they are) and not through guerilla warfare or diplomacy? I know that this is not saying the movie should be using any of the other options but to consider why they aren't using it, but I just can't imagine who would write a giant monster movie where the solution is through diplomacy. Who would that be targeted for? In fact, what are the movies starring monsters where diplomacy actually succeeds?
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Why can't you accept that sometimes, in fictional universes, violent self-defense under the threat of death just may be the answer?
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Super.Jesus posted:Why can't you accept that sometimes, in fictional universes, violent self-defense under the threat of death just may be the answer? Could you list some of these other fictional universes? No joke, I'm interested. Pacific Rim's anti-Christian message is contradicted by Terminator 2, Man Of Steel, District 9, and many others. It is also directly mocked by satirical films like Starship Troopers.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Could you list some of these other fictional universes? No joke, I'm interested. Independence Day? The aliens in that film seem to have the exact same motivation, though their methods differ. Although the humans do try, repeatedly, to be diplomatic in Independence Day. Slate Action fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jul 21, 2013 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Could you list some of these other fictional universes? No joke, I'm interested. What's the exact anti-Christian message here?
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Saw it again tonight, since my mom was in town and she loves these kinds of movies (and was a giant fan of this one in particular). The weird thing was that the theatre was packed compared to when I saw it last weekend. Maybe it was the difference between an evening show and a matinee, but tonight there were maybe like three seats empty in the room, compared to maybe...twenty? last time, which wasn't something I expected out of an action movie on its second weekend.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Could you list some of these other fictional universes? No joke, I'm interested. Alien, Independence Day, Terminator 1, War of the Worlds...
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The terminator uses a loophole to exceed its own programming and sacrifice itself, taking down skynet and freeing everyone. It's explicitly christological imagery. No, the Terminator uses a loophole to kill itself. It doesn't free anyone. Why does the Terminator have to kill itself? After all, the very nature of Terminator 2 opposes the ending of the first film and the idea that the future is immutable. So why does the Terminator have to die? Because it knows that humanity can't be trusted. It wants to die. It doesn't matter if Skynet or Humanity uses it, both will use it. The only escape is death. It speaks kindly to John, but at the core it is telling him why it has to die: Because it knows that Connor can cry. But it's something he can never do. He will never be allowed to have that freedom. So he wants to die. He tricks the Connors into assisting his suicide so that he can escape from humanity. There's no Christ to it. Why would the Terminator dying matter? We know why the original chip and original arm mattered: because they were in the hands of Cyberdyne. Their mere existence didn't create Terminators out of thin air. Hell, the Terminator left a good chunk of itself behind in the steel mill. His self-sacrifice was meaningless. It was robo-suicide. It's the opposite of Christ. He doesn't die for humanity's sins. He dies because he can't trust humanity.
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When you think about it, Gipsy Danger is robot Jesus. -Purges Demons/Kaiju from the world -Sacrifices itself for the good of mankind -Dies and is born again - Hell, even as Gipsy Danger floats in the Masters dimension it takes the pose of a crucifixion Peruser fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Jul 21, 2013 |
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The Thing is a fascistic film because Kurt Russel does not ally with the titular creature.
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anthraciteDragon posted:I'm not entirely sure about the hive mind the Kaiju have being an absolute and there being no individuality. During the final battle, the Cat V let out a powerful roar whose purpose seemed to be to summon its escorts to its aid. If they were truly a complete hive mind, I don't think such a summons would be necessary. An alternate example is the Aliens in 'Alien Resurrection' being demonstrably telepathically linked, but we still see the Queen physically call out to them on more than one occasion. I imagine there's similar examples in Starship Troopers as well.
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Super.Jesus posted:You see we should negotiate with the extradimensional aliens's pets who, by their own mental admission, want to genocide the entirety of humanity because It's kind of funny, because this is how D&D reacts to people talking about the hardships faced by American soldiers. "Why should I care about some racist fuckwit just because he has PTSD? He's part of a kkkorporatist colonial genocide!" SMG advocates a better, more utopian way: allying against the true enemy, cause SMG's a big ol' softy. I really liked the movie. A lot. But I know what could have made it better wouldn't have passed the producers. Making Mako the lead, for instance, would put the youthful optimist (wants to prove herself, pilot a Jaeger, etc. filling that role even if not literally an optimist) in the front instead of Raleigh's tired veteran going for another go. Switching the prime Jaegers from Australia and America to something that suggests more about the rogue, desperate agency Stacker's running. Imagine Indonesia's Jaeger, clearly skimped on by the international community, but winning through heart and cleverness. They already have a scene about how the old-fashioned analog power systems are necessary to save the day! As-is, the heroes were three white men, one black man, one asian woman. This is supposed to be the face of all humanity united against unstoppable odds. The big setpiece of the Kaiju drift was misused; all it told us was that they had to add an additional mcguffin to get past the gate. If the film was willing to go all-out on revolutionary utopianism and show the scientists-kaiju-jaeger-pilot unite to fight the real enemy, well, it would be drat amazing. But you can't do that because 1) you need a white male American lead and 2) you can't be unashamedly hopeful, you have to be crass and cynical. The Sea Wall is reified cynicism, choosing to give up on the sea and, with it, the connection it brings between nations, to retreat from our fears. The Jaegers should stand in opposition to that as much as they do the kaiju, they're the walking hope of a generation that isn't afraid of the darkness of the ocean. Anyone shouting, "You can't reason with them, they're savages!" should be met with "gently caress you, dad, we're gonna reason with them!" And then loving reasoning with them. Fight the loving hurricane.
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anthraciteDragon posted:What's the exact anti-Christian message here? The protagonists' refusal/inability to love their neighbour and self-identify as abject, inhuman monsters too. The love that is expressed is exclusionary, failing to achieve a universal dimension that cuts across all parts of society, putting class ahead of all other considerations, championing the lowest everywhere. A Christian film would show both the human workers and kaiju uniting against their mutual oppressors. This does not occur.
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Shadeoses posted:The Thing is a fascistic film because Kurt Russel does not ally with the titular creature. But if only he had come to know the creature maybe there could've been a peace between them. *Blair-thing bursts through the floorboards* "PEAAAAACE NO PEEEAAAACE" SuperMechagodzilla posted:A Christian film would show both the human workers and kaiju uniting against their mutual oppressors. This does not occur. The kaiju are not oppressed. As the film makes clear they are organic machines.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:A Christian film would show both the human workers and kaiju uniting against their mutual oppressors. This does not occur. Is there any textual evidence that the Kaiju would have the agency to do such a thing?
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The equivalent of the Kaiju is the robotic Jaeger, enslaved by the pilots, so why can't they rebel and be be free and Christlike too?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:A Christian film would show both the human workers and kaiju uniting against their mutual oppressors. This does not occur. A Christian film would've shown the Kaiju and Jaegers take a vow of non-violence and seek penance for their sins so they may be free in the afterlife to live with God. Unfortunately, this does not make a good action movie.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:A Christian film would show both the human workers and kaiju uniting against their mutual oppressors. This does not occur. So why would they be rising up against their mutual oppressors instead of converting them? Why are you arguing that the Kaiju masters are irredeemable. Or are you arguing that a Christian film would inherently include a message of genocide for those from other religions?
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ImpAtom posted:So why would they be rising up against their mutual oppressors instead of converting them? Why are you arguing that the Kaiju masters are irredeemable. Or are you arguing that a Christian film would inherently include a message of genocide for those from other religions? Slave owners are pretty loving vile. Christians are not universally pacifists, as violence can be necessary to overturn injustice. Once that injustice is overturned, then we can start talking reconciliation. You start talking about it before, you've got the whole system backwards.
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Precambrian posted:Slave owners are pretty loving vile. Christians are not universally pacifists, as violence can be necessary to overturn injustice. Once that injustice is overturned, then we can start talking reconciliation. You start talking about it before, you've got the whole system backwards. In this vein, it's good to remember that one of Christ's more notable actions during his life was violently - with a braided whip! - driving money changers out of a temple.
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The Walking Dad posted:There was such a failure of marketing for this movie. Even the people who loved it said it was in no way what they were expecting. This is likely quite true. I showed my wife the trailer for it one week before it came out and she reluctantly said she would go with me and not to be mad at her if she fell asleep. Fast forward to today, and we the both of us just finished our second screening of the movie in IMAX 3D which she was pushing hard for us to go see. My wife was more amazed by the movie then I was and found it quite entertaining and interesting. She commented that the trailer and general marketing of the movie in no way represented what the actual final product was to her. I can believe that.
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Can someone remind me why we are even talking about the film being "Christian" or "anti-christological" aside from SMG's hilarious misreading of the shock scare baby scene being a horrible parody of the virgin birth or whatever.
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Sledge posted:This is likely quite true. I showed my wife the trailer for it one week before it came out and she reluctantly said she would go with me and not to be mad at her if she fell asleep. Fast forward to today, and we the both of us just finished our second screening of the movie in IMAX 3D which she was pushing hard for us to go see. My wife was more amazed by the movie then I was and found it quite entertaining and interesting. She commented that the trailer and general marketing of the movie in no way represented what the actual final product was to her. This is really making me wonder what the hell people were watching pre-release. Pacific Rim was EXACTLY what the trailers and TV spots promised and then some. I think the only key thing missing from the prerelease material was the main theme.
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Precambrian posted:Slave owners are pretty loving vile. Christians are not universally pacifists, as violence can be necessary to overturn injustice. Once that injustice is overturned, then we can start talking reconciliation. You start talking about it before, you've got the whole system backwards. Except you're the one calling them slave owners. Rather similar to the propaganda used for one religion against another, you'e inherently including negative traits to justify acts of violence. We know from the film that the Masters don't have the same kind of society as ours does, including having a hive mind, and you've yet to back up how that is justified destruction.
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There is literally no situation that the death of a rampaging Kaiju isn't justified. Whether they are slaves or meat-machines they are still actively taking part in the death of thousands of humans and should be destroyed as quickly as possible so as to prevent unnecessary loss of human life. Edit:VV Schooled. Miltank fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Jul 21, 2013 |
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Miltank posted:There is literally no situation that the death of a rampaging Kaiju isn't justified. Whether they are slaves or meat-machines they are still actively taking part in the death of thousands of humans and should be destroyed as quickly as possible so as to prevent unnecessary loss of human life. Take this paragraph, and replace the word 'Kaiju' with "black man." Now who's the real monster here? Makes you think.
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Bonaventure posted:Take this paragraph, and replace the word 'Kaiju' with "black man." Now who's the real monster here? Makes you think. If a single black man was causing the deaths of thousands-to-millions and billions of dollars of property damage, and was so strong that conventional law enforcement could not restrain him and required giant mechs to even stand a chance... I think you can see that what I'm getting at here is that a kaiju is on a whole different scale than any terrestrial threat, and making the sort of statement you just did is pretty meaningless and rather petty in terms of the discussion.
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Miltank posted:There is literally no situation that the death of a rampaging Kaiju isn't justified. Whether they are slaves or meat-machines they are still actively taking part in the death of thousands of humans and should be destroyed as quickly as possible so as to prevent unnecessary loss of human life. Undeniably so! There is an obligation to protect yourself and others, life has sacred importance. If a man with a gun opens fire, he has to be stopped. Lethally, if necessary. But we also ask ourselves about the circumstances that led to this violence. Mental illness, poverty, a culture that ties the gun to empowerment? And we must ask ourselves, how do we prevent this from happening again? Points about Christ-figures are loaded--if you are not a Christian, or don't share in a related philosophy, your moral system might not call for a radical, universal love. It's a film about overcoming our differences to come together. Mirror the beginning, where the governments of the world decide to stop funding the Jaegers, with Stacker refusing to accept this, with another, showing the efforts to unite with the Kaiju through the drift, again, despite the interests of authority figures, still go on, still try to reach out to others. We can go Texas on it, or we can seek another way.
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jivjov posted:This is really making me wonder what the hell people were watching pre-release. Pacific Rim was EXACTLY what the trailers and TV spots promised and then some. I think the only key thing missing from the prerelease material was the main theme. I feel like it was too easy for people to come to the conclusion it would be a Bay-esque exhausting slog. A lot of my friends did.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I feel like it was too easy for people to come to the conclusion it would be a Bay-esque exhausting slog. A lot of my friends did. Is "exhausting" such a damning thing for a film? I walked out of my IMAX 3D showing feeling like I needed to hibernate for a bit - it was very intense in an awesome way.
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jivjov posted:Is "exhausting" such a damning thing for a film? I walked out of my IMAX 3D showing feeling like I needed to hibernate for a bit - it was very intense in an awesome way. More in the sense that a lot of Bay films (transformers especially) are so overloaded with quick cuts and over-the-top crap that part way through it's like "Yep, definitely can't handle any more of this". Pacific Rim actually had me leaving the theatre in a pretty pumped-up mood.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I feel like it was too easy for people to come to the conclusion it would be a Bay-esque exhausting slog. A lot of my friends did. And yet Bay's actual robot explosion feats are huge hits. It was the same thing with Battleship- is there some hitherto undocumented brand loyalty so that people will flock to Transformers 4 but NOT a film that is similar? Do they look for Bay's name in the credits? This isn't even bashing the guy, I'm just wondering why American audiences draw such a stark line.
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Shadeoses posted:The equivalent of the Kaiju is the robotic Jaeger, enslaved by the pilots, so why can't they rebel and be be free and Christlike too? Interestingly, this is the subtext of Iron Man 3, with the AI suit. The jaeger pilots (along with, arguably, the Glados computer system) are the brains of their robot body. The kaiju already have brains of their own. The pilots should turn off their radios and rebel against Stacker's plan to deploy the nuke, working with Newton to free and befriend the kaiju.
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Maxwell Lord posted:And yet Bay's actual robot explosion feats are huge hits. It was the same thing with Battleship- is there some hitherto undocumented brand loyalty so that people will flock to Transformers 4 but NOT a film that is similar? Do they look for Bay's name in the credits? I'd say less about the director, but more the franchise. There's a lot of nostalgia factor for Transformers, and a studio is going to give an established franchise like that a lot more marketing push.
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jivjov posted:I had the same thought. If it was so easy to confuse this is Transformers, why didn't the movie make gangbusters? People seemed to scoff at it like "Oh, so it's Transformers?" despite the fact that they'd probably see a Die Hard rip-off without thinking twice about it. I don't get it either, and this is the first actual interesting discussion in pages.
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