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Can't we ask SuperKlaus to update the OP?
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Call Now posted:Can't we ask SuperKlaus to update the OP? It's coming up on 500 pages, most other sub-forums have rules on not letting threads get this big because it generates issues with the software and moderating.
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Jul 20, 2013 22:41
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Incidentally, small timing detail, but when Rich takes a post-storyarc break he always gives a return date. I think if we do make a new thread we shouldn't make it right when the current arc ends, but 1-2 days before the return date, otherwise there's not much to talk about for several weeks.
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Jul 20, 2013 23:08
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I personally think a new thread is a good idea. Or at least, not a bad one. Potential new blood/length intimidation outweighs whatever cachet a lot of pages bring.
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Jul 20, 2013 23:17
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A suggestion for the plot summaries of each arc - State only their setups, not their conclusions. This way, you give someone new reading through the summaries a general feel of where the plot goes without giving away any of the big twists.
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Jul 21, 2013 00:47
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My Lovely Horse posted:Incidentally, small timing detail, but when Rich takes a post-storyarc break he always gives a return date. I think if we do make a new thread we shouldn't make it right when the current arc ends, but 1-2 days before the return date, otherwise there's not much to talk about for several weeks. This is what I was going to say. Now is probably the worst time to make a new thread. This story is winding down, wait until the next one starts, if at all.
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Jul 21, 2013 04:07
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Cliff Racer posted:Oh, this convo again? A new thread is NOT NEEDED. As a matter of fact, being old gives the thread character and life and it would be a shame to see that tossed out for what, a try to attract a new audience when we're just going to tell them to go back and read the whole archives anyway? Ahahaha are you serious? This thread is a crumbling monolith of bad rpg opinions, outdated speculation, nerd slapfights, and worst of all, goblins links.
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Jul 21, 2013 14:22
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Tollymain posted:Ahahaha are you serious? Not weighing in on whether a new thread should be made or not, but wouldn't a new thread become all of the above?
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Jul 21, 2013 14:25
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Basically what I'm saying is that there is nothing special about this thread worth holding onto.
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Jul 21, 2013 14:27
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Yeah the only reason to stick with an old thread is to keep its content accessible to non-archives users, and I doubt anyone has ever felt such a desperate need to go see how goons reacted to this or that plot twist.
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Jul 21, 2013 14:33
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Is having a new comprehensive OP actually a good thing? Because this isn't like a megathread in SHSC where the more information, the merrier. The synopsis posted on the page before this is actually subtly quite spoilerific, offhandedly mentioning dozens of surprise twists and revelations. i.e. "Roy dies" was a fantastic strip when you read it and you only have a vague suspicion that it might happen. But if you know what's going to be the end result of that arc it'll take a lot of the fun out of reading the 20 strips before it. I think the current thread serves its purpose better than any new thread would. It draws the interest of people by being long and it doesn't ruin their enjoyment by making spoilers accidentally viewable.
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Jul 21, 2013 14:39
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peak debt posted:I think the current thread serves its purpose better than any new thread would. It draws the interest of people by being long and it doesn't ruin their enjoyment by making spoilers accidentally viewable.
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Jul 21, 2013 15:42
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I think the book summaries have way too many spoilers. Maybe keep it a general outline, like where they go, and leave out references to, for example, Roy's death and the fall of Azure city. Also, it'd be better to pick earlier comics for the examples, in my opinion.
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Jul 21, 2013 15:54
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Colon V posted:The current thread is almost 500 pages. None of which are actually required reading, and the beginning of which is guaranteed not to have any surprising spoilers because it grew with the comic.
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Jul 21, 2013 19:09
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I don't really see what the point of a plot summary even is.
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Jul 21, 2013 19:17
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peak debt posted:None of which are actually required reading, and the beginning of which is guaranteed not to have any surprising spoilers because it grew with the comic.
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Jul 21, 2013 19:46
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Colonel Cool posted:I don't really see what the point of a plot summary even is. To get people who might be otherwise turned off by the first few strips that are mainly D&D injokes and without much of the features that really show off Burlew's skill as a writer and world-builder later on? I do agree that spoiling stuff like Roy's death would be taking a lot of the fun out of it; perhaps the summary could be suitably vague, like "after the battle of Azure City, the party scatters across the world" or something like that.
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Jul 21, 2013 20:02
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Colon V posted:You're missing the point here. The thread is too big, so it intrinsically needs replacing. Every SA thread that gets too big does. But what would be gained from having a new thread? Who cares if the thread's too big, it's not like people are gonna read it or anything.
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Jul 21, 2013 20:02
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Just fyi the software issue that caused the forums to slow down when threads were too large was fixed years ago. That said I still support a new thread just to get a better OP set up for new readers.
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Jul 21, 2013 20:06
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Regalingualius posted:To get people who might be otherwise turned off by the first few strips that are mainly D&D injokes and without much of the features that really show off Burlew's skill as a writer and world-builder later on? I do agree that spoiling stuff like Roy's death would be taking a lot of the fun out of it; perhaps the summary could be suitably vague, like "after the battle of Azure City, the party scatters across the world" or something like that. That still spoils the fact that Xykon wins the battle, which if you remember was very much not a known outcome and quite a tense moment. I agree with Colonel Cool, an actual plot outline is entirely pointless. It won't convince anyone to read the comic that otherwise wouldn't, and it can only detract from their enjoyment if they do. Ditto for a character guide, this isn't A Song of Ice and Fire. A new OP only needs (a) an explanation of why OotS is not like every other lovely D&D webcomic out there and should be given a chance past the initial dungeon jokes, and (b) a quick guide to books and other purchases. Basically take the draft My Lovely Horse posted a page ago or so, remove the entire "Key Players" section, and you're good to go.
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Jul 21, 2013 20:13
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I usually just tell people to give it a fair chance by reading the first 100 pages and if they don't like it by then then they probably won't at all.
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Jul 21, 2013 20:20
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Colonel Cool posted:I usually just tell people to give it a fair chance by reading the first 100 pages and if they don't like it by then then they probably won't at all. That is a rather odd suggestion since the comic really only starts to become good after the initial 100 pages. Before that, it is your run-of-mill D&D parody comic.
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Jul 21, 2013 20:56
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e X posted:That is a rather odd suggestion since the comic really only starts to become good after the initial 100 pages. Before that, it is your run-of-mill D&D parody comic. I think you've started to get enough hints of plot by then. It's obviously not as good as it could be by that point but just randomly jumping in like 400 pages isn't going to work out either.
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Jul 21, 2013 21:06
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I'd say 200. 200 is a cliffhanger with the reveal of Miko, so it works fairly well in a "keep reading!" way, too.
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Jul 21, 2013 21:10
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You don't think that telling someone "just read the first 200 pages to give it a fair shot" might be a bit much to expect?
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Jul 21, 2013 21:22
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Colon V posted:You're missing the point here. The thread is too big, so it intrinsically needs replacing. Every SA thread that gets too big does. Every thread?
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Jul 21, 2013 22:52
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If we're all weighing in, I will say that I started reading OOTS when this thread started some however many years ago  A new thread is less daunting because you don't feel like you have literally thousands of posts to catch up on, and you feel less likely to be spoilered that way as well.Plus, not just in the comic, but a lot has happened since with OOTS; someone might have dismissed it out of hand prior but upon realizing "Wait, this is that comic that got a million dollars on Kickstarter? And it's literally D&D stick figures?" and may subsequently give it a second look. The benefits outweigh the downsides, which don't really exist outside of "some grognards will be slightly annoyed." I do agree they should wait until the upcoming break, though.
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Jul 21, 2013 22:53
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I think a new thread is completely unnecessary.
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Jul 22, 2013 00:02
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I've been wanting a new thread for ages, and if we get one we can have "Alignment Arguments Are Awful Stupid" in the title.
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Vorgen posted:I think a new thread is completely unnecessary. But but but look at all those pages (that you don't have to read through and most of us have not.) I still remain firmly in the no new thread camp.
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Cliff Racer posted:But but but look at all those pages (that you don't have to read through and most of us have not.) I still remain firmly in the no new thread camp. This same point came up last year when D&D kept having new election threads every week. Apparently something in the boards software means it doesn't handle large threads real well, even if you don't have people reading past pages.
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Jul 22, 2013 05:33
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Manyorcas posted:Just fyi the software issue that caused the forums to slow down when threads were too large was fixed years ago. That said I still support a new thread just to get a better OP set up for new readers. Fried Chicken posted:This same point came up last year when D&D kept having new election threads every week. Apparently something in the boards software means it doesn't handle large threads real well, even if you don't have people reading past pages. Based on the above evidence I can only assume some of us are traveling backwards in time!
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So for that OP for the new thread could you add a section talking about all the extra books and stories that are tied to the comic, preferably with a short description of what it's about? Also, speaking of side stories, I donated to the Kickstarter but haven't really kept up with it. Is the O-Chul story or any of the other Backer's Choice PDFs done? ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Jul 22, 2013 |
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Jul 22, 2013 05:57
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Also, speaking of side stories, I donated to the Kickstarter but haven't really kept up with it. Is the O-Chul story or any of the other Backer's Choice PDFs done? Belkar's story is done, that's it so far.
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Jul 22, 2013 06:19
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If you don't HAVE to read the old pages, and there's nothing of worth in the old pages, then why are they even there? Toss 'em out.
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Jul 22, 2013 08:47
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I really don't understand what we we have to gain from keeping a six-year-old, outdated thread around. People... don't have to switch their bookmarks on one thread? 
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Jul 22, 2013 08:53
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I hope Rich is ok.
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Jul 22, 2013 10:18
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mmkay posted:I hope Rich is ok. PROTOCOL FAIL
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Jul 22, 2013 10:25
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Kind of random but I just noticed the kids arguing back in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0888.html It's kind of adorable that one of Roy's fantasies is that he makes fighters be seen as a top tier class instead of the whipping boys they actually are. 
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mmkay posted:I hope Rich is ok.  NEW COMICGood job there, Blackwing.
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