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The Orange Mage posted:I'm surprised people who were SNES kids are actually amazed at finally getting a Genesis. I was a Genesis kid and the entire time I knew the SNES was winning the console war. Look at how many "must-have" or "genre-defining greats" there are for it! My shortlist of best games for each system is disappointingly low for the Genesis and rather packed for SNES, and I haven't even perused a fraction SNES library! Back then and even today people talk about how the Genesis is technologically inferior and there were fewer super smash hits on the system, and it's also not a super collector's system because most of the games are fairly cheap, but honestly? Where the SNES had a large library of good games and RPGs and was better technology wise, basically everything about the Sega had such a great unmistakably 90s vibe to it. The music with its inferior sound chip has such charm to me with those super crunchy sounds in everything including the guitar and keyboard type instruments, let alone the punch of the percussion instruments. Don't get me wrong, the SNES is great and I probably played that more as a kid because of games like Zelda and Metroid and Evermore, but the SNES was very much Nintendo's baby and so everything about it was very Nintendo and, in a way, lacked the versatility and daring attitude the Sega had where devs had more options and more of their own vision and personality injected into the games. The SNES might be the baseline of 16-bit video gaming but the Sega is the one where the flaws and shortcomings give it so much personality that it's greater than the sum of its parts.
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Safari Disco Lion posted:inferior sound chip I take issue with that. It used frequency modulation, the SNES basically used lofi-ish sample playback. That's like saying lasagna is inferior to enchiladas.
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In trying to find a 1chip Super Famicom on ebay I noticed how 99% of them take pics of the underside while almost all the SNES listing don't do that. Americans really are loving lazy.  Looks like I may end up just buying an SNES mini. Does anyone on here mod them? Also after the mod will it affect how it looks through S-Video?
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absolutely anything posted:Speaking of Sonic actually, Knuckles' Chaotix is not a very good video game but boy if it doesn't have some pretty great music Awesome first level music right there. Some serious retro game music right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEueYGq2mT4 Some hilariously bad retro game music here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM7uZ3imlyo Someone please set up a crippled DOSbox install so I can hear the whole song.
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I think we all need to remember one of the craziest opening songs to an NES game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNnHoPn1Vic I don't know much about sound chips but I'm always surprised that the NES could pull off something that sounded like that.
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I bring this up in every retro music discussion, but Tim Follin is a loving genius and his magnum opus is Target: Renegade for the NES. http://youtu.be/tBGuInVojXI Edit: Solstice is also Follin^ Also all the music for the Amiga and DOS versions of Heroquest kick rear end. The Amiga one is maybe the best game theme from the 16 Bit era. But the Amiga kind of kicked everything's rear end in the music department. http://youtu.be/uh1K-Y4hF00 DOS aint too shabby, but it takes a bit to get going. http://youtu.be/WiKrTsNLF80 El Estrago Bonito fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Chip Cheezum posted:I think we all need to remember one of the craziest opening songs to an NES game: Arpeggio and "reverb by changing the amplitude" explains, like .08 seconds- .24. That's a well programmed example, not surprisingly, the guy who composed it had his start on the C64 where clever use and misuse of a limited sound chip was ubiquitous. Come to think of it, Shadowgate's soundtrack is the only other example of the reverb trick I can think of right now. Maybe set up a Gameboy emulator, download a copy of LSDJ and horse around with it a little. You'll still be surprised, but you will also have seen a little more closely how it is done.
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Back then and even today people talk about how the Genesis is technologically inferior and there were fewer super smash hits on the system, and it's also not a super collector's system because most of the games are fairly cheap, but honestly? Where the SNES had a large library of good games and RPGs and was better technology wise, basically everything about the Sega had such a great unmistakably 90s vibe to it. The music with its inferior sound chip has such charm to me with those super crunchy sounds in everything including the guitar and keyboard type instruments, let alone the punch of the percussion instruments. Don't get me wrong, the SNES is great and I probably played that more as a kid because of games like Zelda and Metroid and Evermore, but the SNES was very much Nintendo's baby and so everything about it was very Nintendo and, in a way, lacked the versatility and daring attitude the Sega had where devs had more options and more of their own vision and personality injected into the games. The SNES might be the baseline of 16-bit video gaming but the Sega is the one where the flaws and shortcomings give it so much personality that it's greater than the sum of its parts. The Genesis was basically the last console where video games felt like they were relics of a lost age. Genesis had a faster processor, and I remember similar games running much faster on it (compare Contra 3 to the superior Hard Corps) but everything on Genesis felt like it was still in the realm of bleeps of bloops. SNES brought this weird amalgamation of low-res images and lovely sampled music. A while ago someone posted a screencap to two WWF games and the Genesis version was good ol' pixel art while the SNES version looked like a lovely jpeg. You can even hear the quality difference in Earthworm Jim with the Genesis version sounding leagues better. But good companies know the hardware in and out. There's just as many Genesis games that sound like wet farts as there are SNES games that sound like someone's playing an iPod in a tin can. al-azad fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Risky posted:In trying to find a 1chip Super Famicom on ebay I noticed how 99% of them take pics of the underside while almost all the SNES listing don't do that. Americans really are loving lazy. I'm in a good mood today so I looked for you. Here you go: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPER-NINTE...=item417546d3b5 Continuing with the topic of game music, though I am not as obsessed with Earthbound as most people (I do love the game though), I have to say "Pokey Means Business" is one of my favorite video game songs ever. The odd chiptune music at the beginning and how it breaks out into heavy metal is so bad-rear end and ahead of its time (who, in 1995, would have thought to intentionally use crappy sound video game music?) that it remains a favorite of mine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9gW3FS_brY The NES-sounding music at the beginning isn't from Mother 1 or something, is it? That's just so bad-rear end. 
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The best music from Earthbound Zero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k9h1e22VwA All of Magicant was kind of wonderful, wish they'd had something of equal...strangeness in Earthbound. The cat who swims on land. Ponder that for a few minutes.
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Miyamotos RGB NES posted:I'm in a good mood today so I looked for you. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtoVQibF55I Sizone posted:The best music from Earthbound Zero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65l1H1FGn8A Analogue Kid fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Jul 23, 2013 12:41
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English Mother 3 reproductions in "1-2 weeks tops guys." The thread has been absolutely spammed by some dumb Earthbound fan. You might want to buy the game's box in advance: http://www.uncletusk.com/node/164
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Heran Bago posted:English Mother 3 reproductions in "1-2 weeks tops guys." The thread has been absolutely spammed by some dumb Earthbound fan. Hey, that's the guy who sells good VB repros.
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Konami's NES music was consistently awesome and doesn't sound like much of anything else on the system. There's loads of depth to their tunes, and this sort of breathy, bass-y percussion that I can't recall ever hearing on any other developers' soundtracks. Here, have some stage 1's and a couple of other bits. Basewars hitting and fielding music. Super C 1st stage. Life Force boss battle theme. TMNT 2: The Arcade Game Stage 1 music. Probably the best example of the percussion I'm talking about. Whoops. Well, scratch that last one. Further edit: \/\/ I'd completely forgotten about Sunsoft but they have that same bass that I think of when I'm thinking Konami. I know jack about music or programming so it's interesting to hear about that from a source that's done their homework like in that video. Quiet Feet fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Batman was Sunsoft.  Sunsoft NES tracks by and large kick all sorts of rear end.
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iastudent posted:Batman was Sunsoft. http://retrogameaudio.tumblr.com/post/19576086117/nes-audio-sunsoft-bass-and-melodic-samples
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Not to brag or anything but krikzz is going to use that pulseline N8 label that one of you guys vectorized and then I converted into a masked psd for the new everdrive N8 case
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Speaking of retro game music, I took a retro duo on vacation (to save space) and the games I took were Castlevania 3 and super ghouls n' ghosts. I usually don't worry too much about the sound quality difference in different consoles or whatever, but god drat if Castlevania 3 doesn't sound like someone farting into a kazoo. Seriously it sounds like complete garbage. Also, I got to the third boss of SGNG and for about half an hour thought it was this weird invisible ghost boss. I looked it up and apparently it's a crazy worm boss and my duo just can't figure out how to display it. Another reason to stick with the originals I guess.
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Risky posted:In trying to find a 1chip Super Famicom on ebay I noticed how 99% of them take pics of the underside while almost all the SNES listing don't do that. Americans really are loving lazy. Yeah, that's one of the reasons I started buying SFCs (besides the fact that the cheaply-made SD2SNES pirate shell that's used for SAG deluxe editions doesn't fit in a SNES properly). Also, I'd like to point out what a crying shame it is that nobody outside of Japan got expansion audio or some of the crazy expansion chips for NES games. Castlevania 3 is the usual example, but Lagrange Point uses the VRC7, which has a Yamaha FM synth chip in it. The opening actually does sound like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb2fiA-IvNw
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Sizone posted:There's not really any reason not to have one. A Genesis and a flash cart is easily the cheapest retro combo you're going to find. You don't really need a SegaCD unless you want to play Snatcher, or maybe Sonic CD (even the Ecco games are basically identical to the carts except with redbook audio), you don't need a 32x, Kolibri and Tempo don't really warrant the extra hardware. Actually, come to think of it, you do need a SegaCD because, Snatcher. It's still a pretty cheap setup though. There's also the Working Designs games (Vay, Popful Mail, the two Lunar games.) Vay is pretty optional, but the other three are legit good games aside from their eBay price tags. The Sega CD also has the best versions of NBA Jam and NHL '94 for sports fans, as well as having the best-sounding versions of several games, including Flashback, Final Fight (with Guy AND Cody!), and the Ecco titles. Sonic CD is fun, and I'm convinced everyone should own a couple of the bad FMV games like Double Switch and Night Trap for historical purposes. There's also good FMV games, like Road Avenger and Time Gal. Even the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers game is pretty playable. And of course, Snatcher. I know several other Sega CD games have a decent number of fans, but my personal collection isn't that big, so I can't speak on them authoritatively. But yeah, the Sega CD is a good idea in general, especially if you already own a Genesis. The 32x, though, is kind of a waste. (Watch, now someone will be all  on the 32x and make me look stupid.)
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Hurm, what did I just find poking around Earthbound music on YouTube: http://mother4.andonuts.net/
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Quidnose posted:Hurm, what did I just find poking around Earthbound music on YouTube: A fan-made sequel. Nothing more.
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8-bit Miniboss posted:A fan-made sequel. Nothing more. Yes, but whence, 8-bit Miniboss, WHENCE?
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Quidnose posted:Yes, but whence, 8-bit Miniboss, WHENCE? I dunno, Starmen.net or some other Earthbound fan site was harping about it a year or two ago.
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ACID POLICE posted:Are you getting commission??? It was given to the thread free so why would I demand payment for it? That's just rude
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The Orange Mage posted:With all the talk about game music, let's talk about something very important in the days when the Arcade was the defining experience: First Stage music! Just remembered this. I only discovered it recently but Twinbee Rainbow Bell Adventures has some good SNES music. Short track but it's just like 'you have a big ol' adventure ahead of you on SNES platform.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2aF1FZRBCA
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Baldrash posted:There's also the Working Designs games (Vay, Popful Mail, the two Lunar games.) Vay is pretty optional, but the other three are legit good games aside from their eBay price tags. The Sega CD also has the best versions of NBA Jam and NHL '94 for sports fans, as well as having the best-sounding versions of several games, including Flashback, Final Fight (with Guy AND Cody!), and the Ecco titles. Sonic CD is fun, and I'm convinced everyone should own a couple of the bad FMV games like Double Switch and Night Trap for historical purposes. There's also good FMV games, like Road Avenger and Time Gal. Even the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers game is pretty playable. And of course, Snatcher. I know several other Sega CD games have a decent number of fans, but my personal collection isn't that big, so I can't speak on them authoritatively. Sega CD also has the "complete" Earthworm Jim. And then there's Heart of the Alien, the unofficial sequel to Out of this World which happens to contain Out of this World. Third World War is a Romance of the Three Kingdoms style global strategy game with turn based battles that's one of the more underrated games on the system. And if you want something Fire Emblem-ey there's Dark Wizard. And while Snatcher is the game's definitive visual novel, there's a rare Space Adventure Cobra game that's basically a rip-off of Snatcher. And Keio's Flying Fortress, another rare title on Sega CD. SCD also got several enhanced ports of Amiga games, oddly enough. Wing Commander, Dune, Rise of the Dragon, and Heimdall are full talkie versions with CD quality music.
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All this talk about first stage music and no mention of the Highway Intro Stage from Megaman X? Shame on you retro gamers!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N16d4H6qQto
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Anyone in Canada have experience ordering Universal Game Cases? Just curious if there's a place with better shipping rates. I'm in Toronto if it makes a difference.
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Where the SNES had a large library of good games and RPGs and was better technology wise, basically everything about the Sega had such a great unmistakably 90s vibe to it [...] the SNES was very much Nintendo's baby and so everything about it was very Nintendo and, in a way, lacked the versatility and daring attitude the Sega had where devs had more options and more of their own vision and personality injected into the games. The SNES might be the baseline of 16-bit video gaming but the Sega is the one where the flaws and shortcomings give it so much personality that it's greater than the sum of its parts. There's a really great history article to be written here, but essentially: Nintendo of America's restrictions kept a lot of the traditional publishers tied to the NES, forcing Sega and NEC (at least, early on) to sign all the weirdos that couldn't get on Nintendo. It set the tone for the consoles and gave them a unique punk rock voice.
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Speaking of retrogame music, I'm curious to know what third party game developers you guys think put out the best 8 or 16 bit music overall. What's the consensus? Capcom, Square, Konami?
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Jitzu_the_Monk posted:Speaking of retrogame music, I'm curious to know what third party game developers you guys think put out the best 8 or 16 bit music overall. What's the consensus? Capcom, Square, Konami? Sunsoft
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Tengen made some really awesome soundtracks.
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Jitzu_the_Monk posted:Speaking of retrogame music, I'm curious to know what third party game developers you guys think put out the best 8 or 16 bit music overall. What's the consensus? Capcom, Square, Konami? Square made the most music I'd listen to independent of the games... although it's hard to top Nintendo's music, especially stuff like F-Zero.
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Jitzu_the_Monk posted:Speaking of retrogame music, I'm curious to know what third party game developers you guys think put out the best 8 or 16 bit music overall. What's the consensus? Capcom, Square, Konami? Square but I love Uematsu.  Capcom's pretty awesome for my money.
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triplexpac posted:Anyone in Canada have experience ordering Universal Game Cases? Just curious if there's a place with better shipping rates. I'm in Toronto if it makes a difference. Unfortunately, no. International shipping on the U.S. side has gone completely insane and due to their physical dimensions it's impossible to ship them cheap. Carrmclean sells bootleg UGCs within Canada but they're even more cheaply made and don't have plastic on the front to hold case art.
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