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mr. stefan posted:He doesn't need to disprove psychoanalysis because it has already been largely abandoned as archaic and misleading by most actual psychiatric authorities. But it makes for such clever articles in Shakespeare Quarterly.
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These anti intellectual currents are quite fascist!
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Bonaventure posted:But it makes for such clever articles in Shakespeare Quarterly. Don't front. You haven't read Shakespeare.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Don't front. You haven't read Shakespeare. How could I? I'm the illiterate son of a leather-worker.
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I don't understand why you guys are so angry at SMG. Us nerds in the Evangelion thread would kill for this kind of treatment.
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Bonaventure posted:How could I? I'm the illiterate son of a leather-worker. I said don't front.
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Popcorn posted:I don't understand why you guys are so angry at SMG. Us nerds in the Evangelion thread would kill for this kind of treatment. We'd share if we knew how.
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Popcorn posted:I don't understand why you guys are so angry at SMG. Us nerds in the Evangelion thread would kill for this kind of treatment. Don't do that to SMG. 
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Don't front. You haven't read Shakespeare. Reading Shakespeare is about as much of an authentic experience as enjoying a kanye album by staring intently at the vinyl record grooves. Shakespeare not performed is no Shakespeare at all.
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mr. stefan posted:Reading Shakespeare is about as much of an authentic experience as enjoying a kanye album by staring intently at the vinyl record grooves. Shakespeare not performed is no Shakespeare at all. I don't mean reading as in putting books in front of you.
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mr. stefan posted:Reading Shakespeare is about as much of an authentic experience as enjoying a kanye album by staring intently at the vinyl record grooves. Shakespeare not performed is no Shakespeare at all. Seriously. I hated A Midsummer's Night's Dream when I read it, but I really, really enjoyed watching it performed.
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Just got back from taking my father to the movie. I'm fairly certain both our faces were locked in a poo poo-eating grin from the moment Gipsy walks up with the boat sword until falling back to earth after chopping the Kaiju in half in space.
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As far as performance goes I would kill to have my local troupe of mush-mouthed amateurs to put on something really interesting like The Changeling instead of yet another tired flogging of The Merchant of Venice.SuperMechagodzilla posted:I don't mean reading as in putting books in front of you. Right! Because I'm too stupid! I'm happy to have the privilege of your example, though, as far as properly "reading" a text goes. You're a shining beacon unto us all.
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mr. stefan posted:He doesn't need to disprove psychoanalysis because it has already been largely abandoned as archaic and misleading by most actual psychiatric authorities. I don't understand why people keep saying this as if it were meaningful. No one is trying to diagnose Del Toro or treat the film's depression. They are using a system to unpack metaphor. That system could be useful or not for that purpose, but whether it is doesn't have squat to do with whether it's useful for treating psychiatric disorders. Just because understanding that something is a phallus doesn't cure biochemical imbalances in the brain doesn't mean that the thing is not a phallus.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I don't mean reading as in putting books in front of you. Yes, but a reading of a performed Shakespeare is very different from just plain text. Depending on the performance you may even read it differently.
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ImpAtom posted:The guy who owns that costume made it himself and runs a twitter where he posts in-character (as Knifehead) about how excited he is about his role in the film. Why do I feel like all our early jokes about porn spoofs are about to become a horrible, horrible reality.
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xxEightxx posted:Why do I feel like all our early jokes about porn spoofs are about to become a horrible, horrible reality. You can name the porn spoof Pacific Rim.
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NippleFloss posted:Just because understanding that something is a Doing this in my mind makes all this madness almost seem bearable.
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doesn't cure biochemical imbalances in the brain doesn't mean that the thing is not a
Popcorn posted:I don't understand why you guys are so angry at SMG. Us nerds in the Evangelion thread would kill for this kind of treatment. I'm not angry, I just want to see his A-Game. "Sword As Phallus" and "Action Narrative As Fascist Allegory" are both the kind of superficial analyses I'd expect from a video game review website. NippleFloss posted:I don't understand why people keep saying this as if it were meaningful. No one is trying to diagnose Del Toro or treat the film's depression. They are using a system to unpack metaphor. That system could be useful or not for that purpose, but whether it is doesn't have squat to do with whether it's useful for treating psychiatric disorders. The thing is that psychoanalysis wasn't abandoned because of inefficiency of patient treatment, it was abandoned because a significant number of its core theories were found to be in error. Babysitter Super Sleuth fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Jul 24, 2013 |
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Chickenfrogman posted:Just got back from taking my father to the movie. I'm fairly certain both our faces were locked in a poo poo-eating grin from the moment Gipsy walks up with the boat sword until falling back to earth after chopping the Kaiju in half in space. My favorite part of that long double Kaiju fight is when Gipsy and Leatherback are grappling and shoving and they unload the hand cannon in the monster's armored gut while Raleigh shouts "EMPTY THE CLIP!" Let me tell you something, pendejo. You pull any of your crazy poo poo with us, you flash a piece out on the lanes, I'll take it away from you, stick it up your rear end and pull the loving trigger 'til it goes "click." EDIT: I just watched a clip from that fight on youtube and that whole sequence was awesome. Raleigh: 'Cmon lets do this! Together! Elbow Rocket! ' Computer Judge Dredd Lawgiver-style: 'Elbow Rocket engaged'. Blackchamber fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Jul 24, 2013 |
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I guess it first helps to understand what a phallus actually represents. A phallus is not a penis, it may be related to a biological penis but it very specifically isn't representative of one.
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Popcorn posted:I don't understand why you guys are so angry at SMG. Us nerds in the Evangelion thread would kill for this kind of treatment. I still absolutely want to see an SMG reading of Evangelion at some point, since it's loaded to the brim with Christian imagery, psychoanalytic references (the Oedipal complex Shinji/Gendo/Yui (Misato?) represent; the constant piercing/penetrating symbolism of the fights; etc.) and reversals (or possibly sincere? it's hard to say) of the typical Christ figure in Shinji.
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It's worth mentioning that Eva has already been methodically picked to pieces pretty much frame by frame in the nearly two decades since it came out, if you're willing to go out looking for the analyses.
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Well, sure. And there's been a lot of really interesting discussion from other smart people in the Eva thread too. But there ain't no party like an SMG party.
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AnonSpore posted:It's worth mentioning that Eva has already been methodically picked to pieces pretty much frame by frame in the nearly two decades since it came out, if you're willing to go out looking for the analyses. The only thing that really approaches an SMG-level of analysis that I've seen is this monstrous thing which analyzes the narrative in terms of its ultimate anti-neoliberal themes, with the Evas representing "authentic" national identities emerging from the morass of the cultural destruction of capitalism (I think?).
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mr. stefan posted:I'm not angry, I just want to see his A-Game. "Sword As Phallus" and "Action Narrative As Fascist Allegory" are both the kind of superficial analyses I'd expect from a video game review website. Psychoanalysis isn't some static empirical theorem. The premises behind it have been pretty much constantly examined and reexamined for 75 years and have had a profound influence on critical theory and film theory. It really isn't out of the ordinary to see some aspects of it in a film discussion thread and much more relevant than, say, toy chat (not that marketing and consumerist desire shouldn't be a part of analysis0.
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mr. stefan posted:The thing is that psychoanalysis wasn't abandoned because of inefficiency of patient treatment, it was abandoned because a significant number of its core theories were found to be in error. By "in error" you mean that it found to be inefficient at treating mental disorder, not that it was found to be incapable of providing structure to the metaphor present in a text. The two things aren't related.
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euphronius posted:Also slatternly is a pretty common English word. Slattern less so I admit. Just FYI I dunno what you do for a living or what degree you have/are getting, but no, it isn't. The average adult in the USA reads at an 8th-grade level.
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NippleFloss posted:By "in error" you mean that it found to be inefficient at treating mental disorder, not that it was found to be incapable of providing structure to the metaphor present in a text. The two things aren't related. I mean "in error" in a sense that most of psychoanalysis has a lot more basis in Freud's own personal biases and hangups than it does with any sort of objective observations of how the human mind works, and is therefore useless for anything except the most superficial analyses of both the human mind and text. Psychoanalysis is a lot more important for what it started than for what it is.
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mr. stefan posted:I'm not angry, I just want to see his A-Game. "Sword As Phallus" and "Action Narrative As Fascist Allegory" are both the kind of superficial analyses I'd expect from a video game review website. Which errors in which core theories are you referring to? And found by whom? Also, there's nothing really simplistic about fascism. That's a cheap dismissal.
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Blackchamber posted:Crap from the book about the shoe and the significance of the sparring scene: Crap, forgot we were using spoilers still. I haven't read the book so it's easy to miss details like the shoe and how sparring is actually supposed to work. Stacker may caution against bringing personal feelings into the drift, but he has to acknowledge/accept that it's one of her big motivations. The movie's much more open to interpretation since you only have a line or two to work off of and that's where all the fun comes from. Perhaps cocky is too strong a word, but they were definitely confident and well matched skillwise.
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SMG isn't wrong about the martial themes, but it's not the technofascism Jefferoo suggested. The movie follows a neoliberal colonial war from the perspective of the colonized. Look at our alien invaders—they strip mine resources, wallow in pollution, and abuse their soldiers to the point where they're literally disposable. They're an over-the-top parody of us right down to the point of attacking from across an ocean. Their technology is centuries ahead, having discovered interdimensional travel and mastered biological engineering, making sleek, bulletproof fighters equipped with built-in organic EMP generators and acid sprayers. Humanity's most effective weapons are knives, swords, fists, and the occasional rocket. The most advanced tech shown is the plasma cannon, which repeatedly fails to live up to expectations, and the drift, which is more of a civilian novelty than a weapon. The Jaegers have a killdozer aesthetic rather than a space-age one, they symbolically appear to have been dug up world war surplus, and it's no coincidence that the PPDC's trump card is a nuke bought on the Russian black market. The thread is also completely wrong about the nature of the rift, as it's not a vagina. Did you see those sphincters? It's an rear end in a top hat, out of which the first world shits on the third.
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I got a Knifehead! I'm surprisingly okay with this, though I think I may need to pick up the starter set to actually know how to play it. Also looks like the 24-pack got relisted properly. It's 60 bucks.
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Psychoanalysis was discredited because it lacked the power to provide a coherent explanation for human behavior. It was bad psychology. Is it also a bad model for analyzing a created text, which is a very different thing than a human mind? Maybe, but to prove it you should address it's failures to explain the text coherently or to provide insight, not just say "Freud was weird and had mommy issues so you're wrong."
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:What unsettles me in the film is that we open with the quick WWII montage - people used to believe in the fight (Rosie the Riveter!), but that iconography has been reduced to cliched fodder for action figures and videogames. You get the additional scene of the kid complaining about the old, crappy robot toy to cement this. But the message isn't that crass consumerism is bad. It's that we need new and better products to consume. The scene on the beach is a very obvious statement of 'this ain't your daddy's giant robot movie!' - which is definitely crass, no? It reminds of the mean-spirited scene in the Clash of the Titans remake where toy robot Bubo is thrown away, declared worthless now. Clash Of The Titans and Pacific Rim have the same screenwriter. No. The kid is crass, the movie is reverent. That wasn't just any old robot toy, but an example of the flood of tin robots that came out of Japan following during their post-war recovery. Going by Raleigh's narration, after rallying together to do the impossible it seems like humanity slumped back into the crass consumerism that the child is infected with. Without history or context, the toy is a worthless thing. It probably doesn't even have branding or backstory. Plus look at the condition the thing is in! edit. (apologies if this has already been hashed out, I ain't reading 80 pages of action figure chat) Microcline posted:The thread is also completely wrong about the nature of the rift, as it's not a vagina. Did you see those sphincters? It's an rear end in a top hat, out of which the first world shits on the third. The anus isn't the only organ that has sphincters. Maarak fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jul 24, 2013 |
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T.G. Xarbala posted:I got a Knifehead! The starter pack/mini game only includes two miniatures so you'll end up needing to buy the rest anyways.
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Maarak posted:The anus isn't the only organ that has sphincters. No part of the vagina is a sphincter. The urethra, yes, but not the vagina, or the cervix, or anything related to reproduction. 
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Pacific Rim: No part of the vagina is a sphincter.
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Thinking it over, a fusion of vaginal and anal imagery might be even more potent metaphorically. I retract my snark. edit. Just to make my earlier point clear, I was thinking more along the lines of the sphincters in the heart and the stomach. I understand the vagina lacks 'em. Every element of the interdimensional alien's tech seems to be biological in nature. Maarak fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jul 24, 2013 |
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