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FuSchnick
Jun 6, 2001

Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived...
Is there any "autocast" setting? gently caress micromanaging buffs like Shaman immunity.

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Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

FuSchnick posted:

Is there any "autocast" setting? gently caress micromanaging buffs like Shaman immunity.

This would be good to know. Right now it gives the AI a big advantage since it can actually take full advantage of spells like that. And the beetle one, too. (Man, gently caress that beetle transformation spell).

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Man, I pulled everything back except the one transport I used to take some troops and my dragon to Red's capital so I could steal his poo poo, including the navy, is this gonna blow up in my face when I get back to the game somehow? :ohdear:

It'd also be nice if my other two transports didn't just start down there by an island owned by red, empty, for some reason.

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender
You definitely want to research Ironclads, and save enough money to build 3-4 as soon as you reach Chapter 2, so you can escort transports safely.

There is no autocast at this time. It is something they looked at, but were skittish of putting in. I think Immunity is one of three skills that would be perfectly suited to Autocast (along with "Chemical Warfare" and "Fly my Flaming Pretties").

Zereth posted:

Man, I pulled everything back except the one transport I used to take some troops and my dragon to Red's capital so I could steal his poo poo, including the navy, is this gonna blow up in my face when I get back to the game somehow? :ohdear:

It'd also be nice if my other two transports didn't just start down there by an island owned by red, empty, for some reason.

If you can hold Red's capital for one turn, do so. Ideally, only destroying his buildings and not his boats. You definitely want Ironclads so you can escort Transports to selected landing sites on the mainland. If you didn't research those in Act 1, do so ASAP, and then buy. Ironclads will let you take control of the seas, and from there, the islands. You definitely want the Dwarven island just off the east coast, with its War Factory and large income, it's a prize.

Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Aug 10, 2013

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe

Ugly In The Morning posted:

This would be good to know. Right now it gives the AI a big advantage since it can actually take full advantage of spells like that. And the beetle one, too. (Man, gently caress that beetle transformation spell).
Yeah I was thinking about that yesterday. Every zerg fight with the AI turns a significant number of my units into beetles or enemy units. Of course, since they're really close now, my remaining units usually shoot/kill the turned ones first. Doing the same thing myself? Not a chance with that many units. What really holds my enjoyment of the RTS part back is this combination of

1) lack of autocasting, with the way the game turns into zerg fights in later turns, having to micromanage skills like immunity, charm or "polymorph" is really bad and it's made worse by:
2) CC, the duration is too long while cleansing is limited, at least give us an area cleanse as a dragon kill or something (there's one but it's single target IIRC?)
3) lack of (decent) priority AI and/or selecting multiple targets at once, having to manually attack every single shaman (eg.) bunched together in a pool of 10 (or they go back to shooting the closer troppers) is a pain, having to prevent my units from focus firing the charmed buddy of theirs until the charm wears off even more so.

This sort of design kind of works in Blizzard RTS games (which I don't like too much) because you're juggling fewer units and they're generally spaced out more. Even those games have autocast and better cleansing, though.

orcane fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Aug 10, 2013

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Frankly I don't understand why there are any single-target dragon skills at all other than fire breath and the firebreath upgrades.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Zereth posted:

Frankly I don't understand why there are any single-target dragon skills at all other than fire breath and the firebreath upgrades.

And firebreath at least has a pretty significant splash radius. Stuff like Aegis or Friends With Benefits has too small of an effect for the size of the battles in this.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

Darkhold posted:

Unless people are playing on harder than normal difficulty Act II looks harder than it is.

There's a really good neutral island just south of the one you start on and you can use that to move onto the main continent and take a few of the neutral southern countries. As long as you keep a decent army at your home base the Red island pretty much leaves you alone until you're ready to deal with it.

Unless he decides to be an rear end and intercept every transport with ironclad fleets

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



I guess they might be useful if you have an allied dragon? But at any smaller scale it's not really even worth putting it on your bar.

And I get the feeling that's more of a multiplayer thing.

Satanos
Feb 5, 2010

I'm too stupid to play the Risk part properly without being annihilated so I turned it down to Casual.

But I'm still not doing super well.

Geez I'm bad at this. Just wanna politic with my lizard and elf bros and lizard-wife.

LIMBO KING
May 3, 2006

Dwarf faction arc: First one is he wants you to ban scientific research that would affect the economy badly. (research on smoke sticks) Second one is he wants to be able to add substances that would make smoke sticks ten times more addictive. The last one is he wants to make it legal to have classes that teach kids how to smoke. Best part of this arc are the pretty funny newspaper headlines whenever you agree and the bonuses you get including big population decreases. :v:

Quixotic1
Jul 25, 2007

Anyone know if the four-pack is Imperial Edition as well?

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender
I think the Strategy map AI in Act 2 was playing possum. Specifically Karthan. He launched one feeble landing attempt on my capital, then did pretty much nothing but build up forces on his homeland and occasionally capture/invade remote territories on the south of the continent. I had given up on him doing much, and gradually, I reduced the forces of what I had on my capital territory.

Karthan made a few transports, but had mostly moved those ones to the northeast, as if planning to hit the west or southern lands. Unexpectedly, Karthan launched a coordinated attack on my capital. Not the usual single ship with a single troop, but at least 3 Tranports carrying 7 Devastators and 5 Troopers, escorted by an Ironclad. An actual coordinated attack, yes!

I only had a 38% chance to win that battle, so I had to fight it myself. I beat his initial forces with my defenders and mercenaries, but I lost a lot of that by attacking his beachhead base. He's probably going to try that again, so I actually have to build up more defenses in my capital now. He may have done some damage, but we'll see how he likes it when I launch a two-pronged invasion of his two remaining south-eastern islands next turn.


Quixotic1 posted:

Anyone know if the four-pack is Imperial Edition as well?

I don't know. If you pre-ordered the 4-Pack, it should be, but otherwise, I think not, because they aren't selling the Imperial Edition stuff yet.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



I finally got around to playing DC today, I'm about to start Chapter III. The game is a lot of fun. At first I almost decided to use auto-resolve for battles, but I'm glad I didn't. It's so much fun to annihilate enemy troops with your dragon as your own (buffed) troops march on, especially in the later parts of the game. Plus, I definitely would have lost, you really need your dragon to turn those 20%-80% battles around. I was ridiculously outclassed on the strategic map at the beginning of Act II, and I'm not sure why. Even Red with their pitifully low number of provinces were constantly trolling me with their navy. I think I focused too much on buildings when I should have been pumping out units, I don't know.

Balancing the different racial factions is entertaining, and not as hard as I had imagined - everyone likes me except the Undead, whose approval rating is hovering around 50%. The voice-acting and writing are both fantastic, if usually somewhat over the top in typical Larian style. Unlike in most voice-acted games, I actually let them finish their delightfully British lines.
One 'problem' I have with the characters is that none of them seem to have any respect for me whatsoever. I'm supposed to be the Emperor and also a firebreathing dragon, yet everyone is constantly giving me lip and talking poo poo to my face. This continues throughout the game, and I'd like to have the option to dismiss them or at least tell them to shut the gently caress up. Catherine and Edmund in particular. The former is literally incapable of having a conversation without mentioning her burning hatred for men, the latter is an insufferable classist/elitist rear end in a top hat (though he does have his moments). It would be more of a dilemma if generals were at least useful, but they don't even seem to affect battles that much. Get off my ship, both of you.

As far as the main campaign's story is concerned, it seems a little generic so far and I can't say that I'm too immersed in it. I suppose it does the trick. Another minor complaint involves the bug that people here were mentioning before, when the game starts spamming 'That's impossible, commander!' over and over, causing my framerate to plummet to single digits. It seems to be related to Devastator positioning, as far as I can tell. That actually cost me a few battles, and I hope they patch it out as soon as possible.

I was one of those people who didn't care that much for the beta, not being into RTS games. Now that I've spent eight hours playing the final product, I've come to the conclusion that I actually do find the real-time battles to be a lot of fun, along with the turn-based and role-playing aspects. They managed to make these mesh fairly well, and it makes for a varied gaming experience. I wasn't sure what I was expecting, but this is a pleasant surprise either way.

Gotta Wear Shades
Jul 25, 2013

Learn to hoist a jack,
Learn to lay a track
Learn to pick and shovel too
And take my hammer, it'll do anything you tell it to

Phlegmish posted:

One 'problem' I have with the characters is that none of them seem to have any respect for me whatsoever. I'm supposed to be the Emperor and also a firebreathing dragon, yet everyone is constantly giving me lip and talking poo poo to my face.

I found Scarlett to be pretty agreeable. She can get angry and pushy but, usually, even if you disagree with her she's still not as pointedly insubordinate as any of the other generals.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
Generals also get a LOT more useful when you've gotten a bit into their quest and gotten them some new traits. If you get a good combination of traits they can add 10-15 percent to your odds if you have them managing the right units.

DrManiac
Feb 29, 2012

As far as generals go, I think I liked Catherine the least. Even when you agreed with her all the time she's still insufferable. I feel as though all the generals grown in some way but her. She feels like she was written by MRA as a caricature of feminazi.



[e] Though maybe I didn't finish her arc or something. She asked me for equal pay, suffrage for the skeleton ladies, and to end underage arranged marriages is that it?

DrManiac fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Aug 11, 2013

Nathilus
Apr 4, 2002

I alone can see through the media bias.

I'm also stupid on a scale that can only be measured in Reddits.
I'm only a few turns in and already loving the NPCs in this game. Extremely goony lizard dude and misathrist queenbitch are fun to hate, and Scarlet's intro was seriously hilarious. After all the HAILS and bitchy attitudes, when she started out with "How's it hangin'" I laughed out loud. And then the next thing out of her mouth was, "You're a dragon huh? I've always wanted to ride one of those". Pure gold. Also, word. It's a shame she's not a princess because that's marriage material right there.

Unfortunately I don't think she could ride me. The jetpack is in the way. :(

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



DrManiac posted:

[e] Though maybe I didn't finish her arc or something. She asked me for equal pay, suffrage for the skeleton ladies, and to end underage arranged marriages is that it?

She also asks you to get rid of a particular Dwarven custom at one point. As much as I wanted to spite her, I still had to agree on that occasion.

It makes sense that everyone talks back to you, the role-playing would be extremely boring if it were completely realistic. I just wish I myself could lash out from time to time. I am the divine Dragon-Emperor, stop insulting me to my face.

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender
:stare: I have to vote on whether or not to ban public breastfeeding.

I was expecting the political dilemmas, but some questions still manage to surprise me.

DrManiac posted:

As far as generals go, I think I liked Catherine the least. Even when you agreed with her all the time she's still insufferable. I feel as though all the generals grown in some way but her. She feels like she was written by MRA as a caricature of feminazi.



[e] Though maybe I didn't finish her arc or something. She asked me for equal pay, suffrage for the skeleton ladies, and to end underage arranged marriages is that it?

There's two more, I think.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
I'll be streaming this game for a few hours tonight here http://www.twitch.tv/chompstest.

If anyone was curious about this game come check it out! I'm playing this fresh out of the gate, I have not turned the game on before now. I've heard the tutorial isn't that great, so if anyone knows what they are doing wants to hang in the chat that would be great!

I'll be starting in about 45 minutes (7:00 Pacific, 10:00 Eastern). The stream is up now if you like listening to menu music and/or tutorial videos.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
Is the custom campaign basically just like the main campaign minus the tutorial act 1?

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender

Rascyc posted:

Is the custom campaign basically just like the main campaign minus the tutorial act 1?

I think that it's also missing Act 3 and Corvus completely, but basically. The other big changes are that you can pick which campaign map to play on, and you can (once the patch is fixed) change the rules of the game using the custom settings.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

I think that it's also missing Act 3 and Corvus completely, but basically. The other big changes are that you can pick which campaign map to play on, and you can (once the patch is fixed) change the rules of the game using the custom settings.

Speaking of Corvus does anyone know what his various faustian bargains DO yet? I'm curious as to their benefits and/or if they have ramifications in Act 3.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Captain Oblivious posted:

Speaking of Corvus does anyone know what his various faustian bargains DO yet? I'm curious as to their benefits and/or if they have ramifications in Act 3.

I've been asking this for a while with no luck. I think it's a little too obvious that you don't want to give him a drat thing that he wants because seriously, everything anyone tells you when he comes up is "THIS GUY WILL BETRAY YOU", so nobody is using him in their first runthrough.

Alectai
Dec 31, 2008

It doesn't matter how long I live, I will never have a hat as dashing as this.
Game doesn't work on my desktop, starts chugging during the early cinematics, then flat out CTD after the loading screen for the game itself closes.

Guess I need to take another poke at fixing my laptop :(

Gotta Wear Shades
Jul 25, 2013

Learn to hoist a jack,
Learn to lay a track
Learn to pick and shovel too
And take my hammer, it'll do anything you tell it to

DrManiac posted:

As far as generals go, I think I liked Catherine the least. Even when you agreed with her all the time she's still insufferable. I feel as though all the generals grown in some way but her. She feels like she was written by MRA as a caricature of feminazi.



[e] Though maybe I didn't finish her arc or something. She asked me for equal pay, suffrage for the skeleton ladies, and to end underage arranged marriages is that it?

What helped me like Catherine (and I think she's really interesting) was acknowledging that although the story is set in a fantasy land there's a lot of deliberate parallels to the modern world, and the questions she raises are still things that need to be resolved. She's definitely aggressive and cynical but everything she asks for has a reason behind it, and they're reasons I found myself generally agreeing with. In fact her first few requests are still (at least relatively) modern in scope and more than reasonable, it's just she's so sharp with her words because she doubts you're going to follow up on her advice/demands. Her last request is difficult to place in a modern setting but, given what they'd established in the game with her character, I can see it working in that world.

To me she never really seemed like MRA propoganda, just angry that the world she lived in still had such basic problems. Instead of taking out her frustrations on other races like Edmund, or the concept of trust like Henry, or herself like Scarlett, she takes them out on the opposite gender. It's by no means good that she feels that way, but hey, everyone in the game is flawed and you've gotta deal with that.

Also, I give her and Scarlett mega props in Henry's storyline if you let them accompany him when his daughter is kidnapped. Basically all three of them come out the other side of that situation looking pretty awesome. Catherine and Henry's reactions to one another, and how they differ wildly based on the situation at hand, are one of the game's highlights for me.

Gotta Wear Shades fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Aug 11, 2013

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
I just hate how she never, ever fails to remind you about your political marriage even when you agree to her law changes.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER
I'm with Gotta Wear Shades on Catherine; being the sole female ruler of the sole matriarchy is bad enough, but to have that taken away from her by undoubtedly scheming men? Just reverse the genders, and you'll end up with a misogynist that'd make your average Reddit MRA look like Anita Sarkeesian. And of course everyone gives you lip- it's the middle of a war, you're an untrained peasant picked up from the sticks, and everyone you deal with is an actual landed noble- sure, they aren't Emperors as well, but they are highborn, unlike your lowly peasant arse (regardless of who Daddy was). The only thing that you have to properly legitimize your rule is the fact that you can turn into a dragon, and 'might makes right' isn't a concept I'd think would sitb well with most people.

That being said, I think Edmund would be the lovable upper-class twit we all know and love, and Scarlett the loveable fembro as well, regardless of who you were. I seriously wanted to play matchmaker for her at the end of her arc :kimchi:

Gotta Wear Shades
Jul 25, 2013

Learn to hoist a jack,
Learn to lay a track
Learn to pick and shovel too
And take my hammer, it'll do anything you tell it to

Rascyc posted:

I just hate how she never, ever fails to remind you about your political marriage even when you agree to her law changes.

Eh, she's got a point though. The whole arranged marriage thing both fits the setting and is fairly awkward to play. Your choices are someone who doesn't want to be there, someone who's afraid to be there, someone who was groomed to be there by manipulation, and someone who's only there to escape her father. It kind of sucks as a thing to have in society, even the game's fake society.

Also, if you call her out on giving away her sons in political marriages, at first she says it's different because they were boys and couldn't wait to have sex, then she stumbles and admits it was wrong and she was wrong to have done it. It's probably the most humble voice clip I've heard her speak.

csm141
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice
Pillbug
I got my capital attacked by a far superior enemy force in Act 2 and successfully defended it. I have to admit, I wasn't sold on the RTS portion but it really does add to the rest of the game when the battles aren't just me stomping inferior forces. The attrition mechanics that come into play as recruits dwindle really make things interesting and I learned to be much more careful with my dragon when they had Imp Fighters ready to poo poo down my throat.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

Chief Savage Man posted:

I got my capital attacked by a far superior enemy force in Act 2 and successfully defended it. I have to admit, I wasn't sold on the RTS portion but it really does add to the rest of the game when the battles aren't just me stomping inferior forces. The attrition mechanics that come into play as recruits dwindle really make things interesting and I learned to be much more careful with my dragon when they had Imp Fighters ready to poo poo down my throat.

Bastion and Steel Scales. Never fear another Imp Fighter :getin:

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Gotta Wear Shades posted:

To me she never really seemed like MRA propoganda, just angry that the world she lived in still had such basic problems. Instead of taking out her frustrations on other races like Edmund, or the concept of trust like Henry, or herself like Scarlett, she takes them out on the opposite gender. It's by no means good that she feels that way, but hey, everyone in the game is flawed and you've gotta deal with that.

No, she's a massive hypocrite. It would be fine if she was either consistently egalitarian or consistently sexist, but that's not the case. She's only 'angry' with the way things are in the DC world because it's a reversal of the supposed natural order where women are on top, and she states several times that men were seen as fit for nothing more than menial labor in her kingdom. She's not a good or reasonable person by any interpretation, and it's a bit frustrating that you can't really call her out on it - and that you let the NPC characters in general walk all over you.

Captain Oblivious posted:

Bastion and Steel Scales. Never fear another Imp Fighter :getin:

Blood Leech is probably the single best skill in the game. I decked out my dragon with all of the passive skills (to reflect my goony nature) and by the end of Act II I could often fly straight into an enemy base and start taking out their poo poo without dying.

Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Aug 11, 2013

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Phlegmish posted:

No, she's a massive hypocrite. It would be fine if she was either consistently egalitarian or consistently sexist, but that's not the case. She's only 'angry' with the way things are in the DC world because it's a reversal of the supposed natural order where women are on top, and she states several times that men were seen as fit for nothing more than menial labor in her kingdom.

She gets a lot more reasonable though, should you get her good ending. If anything I agree with you in that she's unrealistic, but I think it's in how quickly she mellows out.

Phlegmish posted:

that you let the NPC characters in general walk all over you.

Remember, you aren't a king born to privilege, you were raised in the boonies. it's natural to assume that people wouldn't take you seriously in the beginning. People do get more respectful as the game goes on, don't worry.

CommissarMega fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Aug 11, 2013

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



CommissarMega posted:

Remember, you aren't a king born to privilege, you were raised in the boonies. it's natural to assume that people wouldn't take you seriously in the beginning. People do get more respectful as the game goes on, don't worry.

Yeah, I'm only half-serious when I complain about this. It would be extremely boring if things were realistic, with all of the characters keeping their thoughts to themselves and shuffling around demurely. The dragon commander is a pretty chill guy, all in all. If I were in his position I would have literally thrown half the councilors and generals off my ship.

Nathilus
Apr 4, 2002

I alone can see through the media bias.

I'm also stupid on a scale that can only be measured in Reddits.

CommissarMega posted:

Remember, you aren't a king born to privilege, you were raised in the boonies. it's natural to assume that people wouldn't take you seriously in the beginning. People do get more respectful as the game goes on, don't worry.

Well, you're also a loving DRAGON who owns a DEMON POWERED AIRSHIP, has the support of GANDALF THE WHITE, and owns the tiebreaker vote in political matters. Think about how you act around huge angry people, now consider how you'd act if one of those people could turn into a loving magic tiger and maul you, and oh yeah they are also your direct boss and the President/NWO overlord. Plus you are on his space ship, so if he doesn't want to maul you, make you a political prisoner, or whatever, he can just give you the "there's the nearest airlock" treatment.

You'd kiss at least a little bit of rear end and probably swallow your tongue if you caught yourself about to flat out call them a bastard or otherwise be a huge jerk to them.

One armed general dude has an excuse. He's just that hardcore. Everyone else, not so much.

Just to be clear, the lackeys' dickishness doesn't bother me. In fact I love it, and think the game wouldn't feel complete without asshats rabbling loudly. But your argument is clearly faulty and you should feel bad. :colbert:

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Nathilus posted:

Just to be clear, the lackeys' dickishness doesn't bother me. In fact I love it, and think the game wouldn't feel complete without asshats rabbling loudly. But your argument is clearly faulty and you should feel bad. :colbert:

I got the feeling that people respected Maxos a lot more than they respected you, and in the beginning, it's his support that makes them rally behind you. It was also Maxos who got you the Raven as well. So what if you can turn into a dragon? Everyone and their uncle (and your sibling :v:) has access to war machines that can tear you apart pretty handily. And what if you DO go on a rampage (assuming Maxos doesn't kick your face in)? You will lose everyone's support, and those whom you don't kill have plenty of contacts to make your short remaining life miserable.

Sorry mate, but in the Dragon Commander world, you ain't poo poo bud :colbert:

Nathilus
Apr 4, 2002

I alone can see through the media bias.

I'm also stupid on a scale that can only be measured in Reddits.

CommissarMega posted:

I got the feeling that people respected Maxos a lot more than they respected you, and in the beginning, it's his support that makes them rally behind you.

Yeah, it's pretty explicit. loving kingmaker wizards. People get all hot and bothered over beards, glowing eyes, and... lizard staff things.

quote:

It was also Maxos who got you the Raven as well. So what if you can turn into a dragon? Everyone and their uncle (and your sibling :v:) has access to war machines that can tear you apart pretty handily. And what if you DO go on a rampage (assuming Maxos doesn't kick your face in)? You will lose everyone's support, and those whom you don't kill have plenty of contacts to make your short remaining life miserable.

Sorry mate, but in the Dragon Commander world, you ain't poo poo bud :colbert:

Oh OK..... :(

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



CommissarMega posted:

Sorry mate, but in the Dragon Commander world, you ain't poo poo bud :colbert:

But...I am the titular Dragon Commander. :saddowns:

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adamarama
Mar 20, 2009
About halfway through Act II and I'm really enjoying it so far. The mechanics are a little unclear though:

What do the stars on units mean? Sometimes I seem to have them, other times I don't.

How do you know how productive a province will be? Some provinces, I build a factory and it can produce three units, other provinces it's just one.

The enemy seems to be able to capture my building but I don't think I can capture theirs. I always have to destroy and rebuild. Am I missing something?

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