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Just came across this on Amazon. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Selected-Ambient-Works-85-VINYL/dp/B00E8K2I9Y/ Extremely cheap for a great album, but I can't seem to find any official info on this pressing. Anyone know if this is legit?
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izationalizer posted:As far as improved (or not) sound quality goes, that really needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case, album-by-album, pressing-by-pressing..... This. But generally speaking, older albums (pre-late 80s) are probably going to sound better on original vinyl than on CD, particularly if the the last time they were remastered for/transferred to digital was in the '80s or early '90s or if the original tapes were lost/degraded. Simply put, computer tech wasn't as good/as cheap as it is now so you have a lot of CD releases of old albums floating around that just sound like rear end. Until the 2009 digital remasters (which sound glorious), most of the Beatles catalog was considered the poster-child for this sort of thing. The '80s CD version of Revolver is garbage and is missing vocal/instrumental tracks from songs. If you've wondered why a bunch of famous bands have jumped on the remaster bandwagon in the last 2 years (Pink Floyd, the Smiths, Led Zeppelin, etc) it's only partially because of the money. Computers have come a long-rear end way since 1987 and a lot of these remasters sound dramatically better than the CDs we grew up with. On top of that, record companies are pretty lovely about taking care of their master tapes, so for a lot of these digital transfers the process was literally "find the best vinyl copy we can and record that." trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Aug 16, 2013 |
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Aug 16, 2013 19:06
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I think some of the Beatles vinyl records (the 67-70 blue one) in particular, sound absolutely abysmal. But then you listen to Norwegian Wood, for example, and it sounds fantastic. So who knows. On the same note, I've always felt that the Paul McCartney RAM album has one of the nicest mastering jobs I've ever heard.
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Aug 16, 2013 20:12
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Electric Bugaloo posted:This. The Beatles remasters are more then exception than the rule. They sound as good as they do a) because it's the Beatles catalog and b) because they spent years on it. A lot of remastered CDs sound worse than the original releases because they're mastered way too loud in order to sound more "modern" so they lose their dynamic range and just sound like a wall of noise. Plus compression and etc. This also goes back to what that other poster was asking about the advantages of the format. Vinyl records tend to be mastered at a lower volume so as not to drown out the nuance of the recording and they aren't as heavily compressed as CDs tend to be. jwh posted:I think some of the Beatles vinyl records (the 67-70 blue one) in particular, sound absolutely abysmal. That's because Capitol records did a poo poo job with the Beatles catalog. This is why UK pressings are so sought after.
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Aug 16, 2013 21:07
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luncheon meat posted:There's a record fair here tomorrow. poo poo yeah. I've been looking forward to it for a month. Keeping my fingers crossed for some decent prices! Working goddamn it. I'm always working during the fairs.
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Aug 16, 2013 21:33
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bowmore posted:
I'm quoting this post because I have this exact same turntable, but during a move, I managed to break the cover for it, I was wondering if anyone knew any online resources I could use to purchase another one? I've thought about possibly having it 3d printed but I suspect that'll cost an arm and a leg.
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Jonny posted:Just came across this on Amazon. I'd love to find out about this too, since it's also on US Amazon but for $35 for some reason. http://www.amazon.com/Selected-Ambient-Works-85-92/dp/B00E8K2I9Y/
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Aug 16, 2013 21:48
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CPL593H posted:The Beatles remasters are more then exception than the rule. You're right about that, but I was using the Beatles catalog more as an example of how poo poo the tech was in the '80s when a lot of the CD versions of classic albums were pressed. Like you said, it's the Beatles and they would do the best job possible with the digital master- and it was at the time. Whatever your opinions on the new remasters, I think everyone can agree that the original CD pressings from ~1985 sound like cold poo poo compared to how the albums are supposed to. The long and short of it is that you can get seriously good-sounding digital remasters these days, but most classic albums don't have the benefit of that technology and so will generally sound much better on vinyl.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:On top of that, record companies are pretty lovely about taking care of their master tapes, so for a lot of these digital transfers the process was literally "find the best vinyl copy we can and record that." Yeah, tape research has only gotten better these days. Someone on Ryko was writing about going through the Bowie tapes, and literally, it was just a shithouse. You were finding stuff nobody has ever heard buried between cassette masters of albums, and all this other stuff. That's also why sometimes different versions and mixes sometimes come out. And the other thing is that master tapes end up in the strangest places. Like, the mono masters for the Mamas and Papas first album were found in a European pressing house. quote:Until the 2009 digital remasters (which sound glorious), most of the Beatles catalog was considered the poster-child for this sort of thing. The '80s CD version of Revolver is garbage and is missing vocal/instrumental tracks from songs. I'm really confused as to what you could possibly be referring to. What's missing from the 87 remaster of Revolver that's present in the 2009 stereo remaster of Revolver?
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I spent a few hours digging through crates at this big thrift store called Thrift Trader here in San Diego, not really finding much of note besides some Talking Heads. I'm not too familiar with most 70s-80s pop music which is what virtually all of it was. I only looked though the "good" section though, which is loosely organized alphabetically. There's this whole other room with what looks like hundreds of boxes of vinyl haphazardly stacked and organized. I have a feeling its almost all garbage but have you guys ever found anything decent in big messes like that?
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Aug 16, 2013 23:29
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Jonny posted:Just came across this on Amazon. It's the reissue with this piece of poo poo cover. It's on Discogs, and unofficial: 
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Cemetry Gator posted:Yeah, tape research has only gotten better these days. Someone on Ryko was writing about going through the Bowie tapes, and literally, it was just a shithouse. You were finding stuff nobody has ever heard buried between cassette masters of albums, and all this other stuff. That's also why sometimes different versions and mixes sometimes come out. And the other thing is that master tapes end up in the strangest places. Like, the mono masters for the Mamas and Papas first album were found in a European pressing house. I forget which artist's it was (I think it might have been Bowie), but apparently someone once found an immensely valuable master tape in its case propping up some shelving in one of the big label vaults. As for Revolver- Some of the harmony and instrument tracks, IIRC. In any case, the 2009 stereo one sounds much better- but the 2009 mono remaster is the best of all. The worst I know of was the original CD remaster of Pet Sounds. In the mono-to-stereo conversion they lost a bunch of the vocal harmony tracks off of "Sloop John B," among others. And vocal harmonies are like the Beach Boys bread and butter.
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The Read Menace posted:There's this whole other room with what looks like hundreds of boxes of vinyl haphazardly stacked and organized. I have a feeling its almost all garbage but have you guys ever found anything decent in big messes like that? Ugh, there's a store here that does the opposite: they keep all their decent records out the back and make you wait while their staff look for an incredibly specific record you might want. When you're searching and you come across where LED ZEPPELIN should be there's just a tag that says "see staff". All the stuff on the floor is in poor condition, unpriced, expensive, and half of it is in stacks on the floor. The only worthwhile thing I have found there is a copy of an Under Pressure 7".
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Aug 16, 2013 23:51
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Ron Burgundy posted:Working goddamn it. I'm always working during the fairs. drat. It's on Sunday too. Might get some sellers that couldn't show up on Saturday. Forgot to mention the entry is $6.
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Aug 17, 2013 01:00
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Here are some of my recent purchases that just came in the mail and they look so pretty all lined up!  I've only listened to The Glow, Pt 2 and Song Islands before... Was a big investment, but I'm sure it'll be dope as heck.
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The Read Menace posted:I have a feeling its almost all garbage but have you guys ever found anything decent in big messes like that? Yes, absolutely, all the drat time. Decent *to you*? I dunno. Some stuff from in the wild from just the last ~2weeks:  Plus a handful of solid 45s. I don't hang on to a lot of the stuff I find, but I get to see/hear/find out about a lot of poo poo I otherwise wouldn't have. Which is kind of the point of records for me and my answer to the digital v. vinyl: the (probably slim at this point) majority of recorded music is still only available on vinyl. And getting psyched about hometown 45s. 
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I've watched craigslist for 2 weeks and hit every goodwill/half price books, picked up some good records but still dont have a player so im turning to ebay. Is this a decent player? http://www.ebay.com/itm/PIONEER-PL-...=item2a30161457
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madpanda posted:I've watched craigslist for 2 weeks and hit every goodwill/half price books, picked up some good records but still dont have a player so im turning to ebay. Is this a decent player? To be totally honest, I would avoid buying a dirt-cheap table on eBay unless the seller had a really good description or was a specialist dealer with a lot of detailed pictures and whatnot. You might have to wait a while or make do with less variety but Craigslist/local gives you the opportunity to physically handle the table in person and check it over inside and out. That makes all the difference- particularly at the sub-$150 price point. Where do you live?
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Electric Bugaloo posted:You're right about that, but I was using the Beatles catalog more as an example of how poo poo the tech was in the '80s when a lot of the CD versions of classic albums were pressed. Like you said, it's the Beatles and they would do the best job possible with the digital master- and it was at the time. Oh I agree totally. I was delighted when they finally released those remasters, because the old CDs sounded like garbage and I always hated them. I'm pretty sure I ran out the very day they went on sale and bought them immediately.
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luncheon meat posted:There's a record fair here tomorrow. poo poo yeah. I've been looking forward to it for a month. Keeping my fingers crossed for some decent prices! I was there! Did you pick up anything? The Moogy's Mobile Record Store had the best prices for new stuff, I found.
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I can't believe there's 3 people from Perth in a niche interest thread.
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Can't believe there's anyone in Perth.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Can't believe there's anyone in Perth.
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The new No Age record comes with a ridiculous amount of goodies.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:To be totally honest, I would avoid buying a dirt-cheap table on eBay unless the seller had a really good description or was a specialist dealer with a lot of detailed pictures and whatnot. Suburbs of chicago. There are a bunch of stores in the city but i haven't had a chance to make the trek out yet. And my pile of stuff to play is growing. Theres a warehouse vinyl sale today and I'm going to try the flea market as well.
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madpanda posted:Suburbs of chicago. There are a bunch of stores in the city but i haven't had a chance to make the trek out yet. And my pile of stuff to play is growing. Which side of the suburbs do you live in? If you're north or northwest I can let you know if the flea market is worth bothering.
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madpanda posted:Suburbs of chicago. There are a bunch of stores in the city but i haven't had a chance to make the trek out yet. Ok, you definitely don't need eBay to get a good table then. Just have a bit of patience (or really try to get out looking each weekend/after work) and something good will absolutely turn up soon via Craigslist. Have you tried hitting up garage sales in your suburb? You live in a major metro area, so it's not a question of "if" but "when." Besides, any table you see on eBay is probably gonna cost $25+ to ship properly. If your price range is under a hundo (how much are you willing to spend, exactly?) then that's a major chunk of your budget gone right there.
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I currently use the ATP-120 turntable for my main audio setup (my room) but I also set up something in my living room - I'm just using my old turntable, which was 100 bucks five years ago and describes itself as "portable" because it's extremely lightweight but also not the best type of turntable, obviously. It's eletronic (not belt-driven) and super basic. My problem lately is that it's playing my records just a little too fast. It's noticable if you've heard the songs before and I'm not sure why it's doing it. Does it have something to do with the tonearm not being curved so it plays faster when it has longer record surface to cover (like when starting to play a 12")? It's this: http://www.gearclubdirect.com/vestax-handytraxusb Any other reason why it might be playing a little faster than usual? Is this something that I can fix, and if so, does it mean I'll have to open up the entire structure and get into the guts of it to adjust something? I also have been reintroducing myself to purchasing records because I recently improved my audio setup (including a giant cube of a subwoofer):  and now that I have a new job that pays well, I have a little more flexibility. I have to say that my recent purchase of the Charles Buckingham and Matthew Cooper (better known as Eluvium) live collaboration album Concert Silence 09.22.07 and companion LP Rain Furniture is one of the best record purchases I've made in a long time. 4 LP set, two records etched on one side, and full of wonderful experimental audio manipulation leaning towards ambient, similar to Fennesz or Stars of the Lid (in the picture of my record tower, the framed thing to the left of it is a Stars Of The Lid print from their 2008 [i think] tour - #22 out of 60 made!). Ambient fans/audio nerds, take note, because you may also love this excellent, exploratory, beautiful and curious album: http://infraction.bandcamp.com/album/rain-furniture to listen or just go here and scroll down a bit: http://www.infractionrecords.com/shop.html It's also worth mentioning that the 2xLP is very fairly priced at 24 bucks after tax. I bought mine on eBay, which was 24 dollars but also included the Rain Furniture LP, so your results may vary. I also bought DNTEL - Life Is Full Of Possibilities for 15 bucks at Amoeba the other weekend (among a lot of other purchases) and it looks like they didn't price it correctly, because this reissue has two 180gram records and they match the album design color scheme, like so:  When I moved to San Francisco over 5 years ago, I just had two suitcases with me and had to leave my records in Colorado. I've decided to finally ship them out here, so I'm very excited to get back my 85 pounds of records that I haven't been able to listen to in years. It'll be great to see those records again, since whenever I visit my parents, I go through the bin that my records are in like I'm revisiting a childhood friend. It feels like I'm just looking through someone's collection that is totally awesome and exactly what I would pick. They'll be joining my collection that I started when I moved here, which is going to be over 300 at this point. I'm currently shopping around for another storage system since this one is almost out of room:  Sorry for the tl;dr. I'm just more excited than I thought I'd be by resuming my record collecting, since I hadn't made any purchases this year so I could save money. That's very much started to change now. Floodixor fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Aug 17, 2013 |
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Floodixor posted:
Look in the manual at the "Checking and Adjusting Pitch" section, that should get you straight.
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I went to wolfs flea market in palatine and ended up with an entry level technics with a newish audio technica stylus for $50 and a bunch of records for another $30. Overall pretty good day.
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madpanda posted:I went to wolfs flea market in palatine and ended up with an entry level technics with a newish audio technica stylus for $50 and a bunch of records for another $30. Overall pretty good day. Haha, that's why I was asking, Wolff's is the poo poo. I go there at least once a month for records. Did you get it from the guy on the far right side, near the wall? I always see a million players there. And the guy is real cool. Wolff's also runs an outdoor market in the lot of the Allstate Arena that's really good if it's nice out.
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Yep thats the guy. I've gone to the outdoor one once while looking for retro games but almost got hit about 5 times trying to get out of the sardine can parking lot so I haven't been back. When retro collecting if you saw a bunch of games in one place it usually means a reseller with a lovely attitude trying to get above ebay prices. Every stall i went to today for vinyl the owners were really cool and love talking about music.
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Someone on my local Craigslist is trying to sell a Sony PS-LX5 plus receiver (Sony STR-VX1) and speakers (Sony SS-U350 50w) for $75. Does anyone have any thoughts on the PS-LX5?
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How often do you guys replace your record cleaning brushes?
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Never. It's not really something that you replace often. I'm not waring out my record brush like the brush of a prized steed or something.
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Floodixor where did you get that tall shelf? Space is at a premium in my place and that looks really good. I can't shove an expedit in this room
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I think I need to get new storage for my records. I think I'm pretty much out of space. I mean, I guess I could get rid of a few records... but what? I need both the mono and stereo versions of the Velvets albums, and why wouldn't you have two copies of Depeche Mode's Greatest Hits Volume 1. Why is that so crazy?
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Floodixor posted:I'm just using my old turntable, which was 100 bucks five years ago and describes itself as "portable" because it's extremely lightweight but also not the best type of turntable, obviously. It's eletronic (not belt-driven) and super basic. Pretty sure these are belt drive. Floodixor posted:My problem lately is that it's playing my records just a little too fast. It's noticable if you've heard the songs before and I'm not sure why it's doing it. Does it have something to do with the tonearm not being curved so it plays faster when it has longer record surface to cover (like when starting to play a 12")? Since these are portable there probably isn't a pot open to the outside case, and you'll probably need to crack it open at bare minimum. Also turntable geometry does not work this way  e: wait, don't these have a pitch knob on them... Ron Burgundy fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Aug 17, 2013 |
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mevans posted:I was there! Did you pick up anything? The Moogy's Mobile Record Store had the best prices for new stuff, I found. Hah! Most of the stuff I bought was in the $2 bins. I found a lot of the used stuff was the kind of thing you can get at Dada's for a couple of dollars but priced up at $10-20. New stuff was priced pretty good but I'm a sucker for used as you can get new stuff pretty much any time. Wasn't as many sellers as I thought but it was still pretty good. Original pressing of Thriller in great condition for $15, few Cosby albums for $2 each and a bunch of locally pressed novelty 45s. Was a good day overall. 
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luncheon meat posted:Hah! Most of the stuff I bought was in the $2 bins. I found a lot of the used stuff was the kind of thing you can get at Dada's for a couple of dollars but priced up at $10-20. New stuff was priced pretty good but I'm a sucker for used as you can get new stuff pretty much any time. God I'm so sick of this happening here since records are "cool" again here. That new record store in Coventry Square is overpriced as hell. There was a $15 box of stuff you would normally get for free, eg those top of the pops no name band cover albums and poo poo. The only worthwhile thing in the box was Laurie Anderson's Big Science, but I took one look at the scratched as gently caress record and put it back. Some dick who was looking over my shoulder the whole time grabbed it. You can have it idiot. Anything with a name band on it is like $40. For ELO and poo poo. I love ELO, but I completed their discography for 5 bucks. Luckily places like Dadas still price reasonably. I've found so much choice poo poo in that one little $2 crate next to the old singles rack at the back. You know the one. luncheon meat posted:a bunch of locally pressed novelty 45s This is what I'm talking about! Can't believe I missed it (I'm still at work right now) I'll book the day off next year. Ron Burgundy fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Aug 18, 2013 |
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