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I like to think of the scrolls as a literal instruction manual on how to use your gigantic biologic terraformers. "Should your Adam unit go into hibernation, it is vital that you do not attempt to awaken it without the guidance of a qualified technician. Unauthorized attempts to access your Adam unit will void your warranty." The prophecies are just a guide on all the terrible things that will happen if you misuse your angels.
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Slime posted:I like to think of the scrolls as a literal instruction manual on how to use your gigantic biologic terraformers. I like to think that with every time cycle more gets written into the dead sea scrolls. Sort of like an apocalypse wiki. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point it has "PS, Shinji is a pussy and will run away" scribbled in Gendo's handwriting.
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Aug 19, 2013 05:19
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Aug 19, 2013 05:26
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Whether it's Doritos, horse racing, or razors. I love when Eva marketing shows up.
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Aug 19, 2013 05:34
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Gaseous Snake posted:Whether it's Doritos, horse racing, or razors. I love when Eva marketing shows up. It is almost always the best thing. I'm frankly amazed they didn't officially license sex toys. Or did that happen when I wasn't paying attention?
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Aug 19, 2013 06:00
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I wonder how long it'll be before the first murder is reported where the weapon is found to be a little shiv with an Asuka figure engraved in it. edit: Who am I kidding, it'll most likely be ritual seppuku. 
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It's for an art (sword) exhibition. I debated whether to check it out when it came by here in Hokkaido, but they had recently finished up an all-around "Eva Exhibition", and it wasn't really appealing to me. The original exhibition was nice, though. They had the white desk where you could pose with Gendo and Fuyutsuki, they had a fairly large scale model of Tokyo III with all the spots of the Angel attacks and such marked, and they even had a human-sized Lance of Longinus, Rei's heat shield and a big huge Ramiel.
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Aug 19, 2013 06:05
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That's amazing in so many different ways, but it also reminds me how much I prefer the original box-cutter knife Asuka had in the series, which was just so much less elegant and more brutal than the nice curved designs in the Rebuilds.
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Mezzanine posted:The original exhibition was nice, though. They had the white desk where you could pose with Gendo and Fuyutsuki, they had a fairly large scale model of Tokyo III with all the spots of the Angel attacks and such marked, and they even had a human-sized Lance of Longinus, Rei's heat shield and a big huge Ramiel. Well come on then, post the photos.
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Aug 19, 2013 09:21
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This is kinda why I scoff at Evangelion supposedly being an indictment against otaku-ism and commercialism etc. Midjack posted:It is almost always the best thing. I'm frankly amazed they didn't officially license sex toys. Or did that happen when I wasn't paying attention? There's a nudey calendar/book thing I guess, I dunno.
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Aug 19, 2013 12:24
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It is that, but at the same time Anno also likes to roll around in a giant pit of money too much to stick to those principals. May as well troll the gently caress out of the audience in the meantime.
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Aug 19, 2013 14:22
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I frankly can't think of a better way to mock rampant merchandization than to make the most ridiculous merchandise possible and get away with making money out of it.
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Aug 19, 2013 18:12
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I can see Eva being an indictment of the resentment and learned helplessness that run through otaku culture, but I'm not sure where someone would get the anti-commercialism part from. I think there are places where Anno prioritized other things over commercial viability, which is part of why the series has resonated so well, but that's not really a part of the series' message itself or inherently anti-commercialism.
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Well, there's also the matter of objectifying the characters into something that appeals to base sexual cravings, which the characters themselves (especially Asuka) object to in the last 2 episodes + the apartment scene before the start of Instrumentality in EoE.
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Szmitten posted:This is kinda why I scoff at Evangelion supposedly being an indictment against otaku-ism and commercialism etc. It can be both. It's the same reason you have DC Comics publishing comics which make fun of DC comics. The people doing the marketing are not the same people creating the product.
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Szmitten posted:This is kinda why I scoff at Evangelion supposedly being an indictment against otaku-ism and commercialism etc. The general tone of Evangelion doesn't really allude to the notion of indictment of anything other than the flaws existent in people outside of things such as otaku-ism (Where as something such as Welcome to the N.H.K. goes straight into the issue without any punches being held back.) that are perceived as weakness in any particular human being per their culture. (The weakness of Shinji, the brashness of Asuka, and other similar examples are strung across the screen with a regularity it's comical?) Sure, I can see some of the traits happening to apply to otaku-ism, but I don't think there's any direct correlation. I suppose all this to say that I simply agree with you rather strongly. I'd never really heard of people pointing to Evangelion in this particular form, and I wanted to reinforce that.
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Evangelion isn't an indictment of otaku-ism. There's only one character in the show who even remotely fits that description and he's probably the most benign and well-adjusted person in the cast. Any reflexive criticism of anime in Evangelion is directed at creators, at least far more than it is at consumers.
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You forgot Hikari!  E: More seriously, what about Misato as an audience surrogate? Wouldn't you say that aspect of the series satirises otakudom? I think its other comments on otaku are more indirect, but it's been too long since I've seen the series to say. Safety Biscuits fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Aug 19, 2013 |
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They only start being giant trolls in 25/26 then EoE then the Rebuilds. You think the Curse of Eva trapping the pilots in the same form for 14 years was an accident and not a metacommentary on the fanbase?
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Phobophilia posted:They only start being giant trolls in 25/26 then EoE then the Rebuilds. You think the Curse of Eva trapping the pilots in the same form for 14 years was an accident and not a metacommentary on the fanbase? It wasn't an accident, but it also keeps the younger inconic characters looking exactly the same age for the benefit of the creeper demographic among other things. I'm being slightly facetious but I find that more believable.
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Close to, but not as amazing as that limited run of Eva champagne with diamond-encrusted bottles. And Kensuke's kind of a dick, Tux. He's just ultimately unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Like otaku. Also Shinji as author surrogate, buttmad from the poor reaction to the ending being a catalyst for EoE, etc., etc.
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MadRhetoric posted:Close to, but not as amazing as that limited run of Eva champagne with diamond-encrusted bottles.  Ak Gara posted:I like to think that with every time cycle more gets written into the dead sea scrolls. Sort of like an apocalypse wiki. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point it has "PS, Shinji is a pussy and will run away" scribbled in Gendo's handwriting.
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Phobophilia posted:They only start being giant trolls in 25/26 then EoE then the Rebuilds. You think the Curse of Eva trapping the pilots in the same form for 14 years was an accident and not a metacommentary on the fanbase? What I gathered about the original series and how it took a stab at current anime/otaku following was the way the characters were designed. Shinji is a prime example of this. He is a direct contrast to what a hero is, he is a person who hates conflict and prefers to run and hide rather than be involved in it. Personality wise he is timid and meek and finds all forms of interaction difficult and prefers to escape from his problems rather than deal with them. At a meta level, Shinji is the Otaku(stereotype), the person who prefers fantasy to reality (dreaming to existing) , avoiding his problems and delving into the fantasy of manga/anime (Shinji’s case music) to feel comfortable and relaxed and fawns over characters rather than real life relationships. The end of the Original series and EOE was Shinji’s awakening from this behaviour, he realised to be truly happy he had to stop escaping and stop living in fantasy world etc. Which could be taken as a direct message to the fans or hard core Otaku’s (especially the death threat ones) that there is more to life than anime/manga. Of course this makes curse of Eva more ironic as it still seems the fans are just as obsessed 14 years later… Foul Ole Ron fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Aug 20, 2013 |
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MadRhetoric posted:Close to, but not as amazing as that limited run of Eva champagne with diamond-encrusted bottles. What did Kensuke ever do besides maybe giving Asuka the stinkeye, once, out of solidarity with Touji? EDIT: Also Foul Ole Ron you're re-interpreting "otaku" entirely in the terms of the American stereotype of a nerd and then citing incredibly tenuous reasons why Shinji might, kinda-sorta fit them. I'm not buying it.
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I don't think he's really anti-social. Shinji's pretty down with his classmates he just is such a terrible robot driver that they had to move away before he stepped on them.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:What did Kensuke ever do besides maybe giving Asuka the stinkeye, once, out of solidarity with Touji? He's pissy about Shinji getting attention for being an Eva pilot, lives in his own little world behind the Kino-eye of his camcorder and is hilariously, ironically jealous and catty about Touji getting to pilot. He's also basically Milhouse to Touji and Shinji.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Also Foul Ole Ron you're re-interpreting "otaku" entirely in the terms of the American stereotype of a nerd and then citing incredibly tenuous reasons why Shinji might, kinda-sorta fit them. I'm not buying it. I may be wrong about the motives of the show in regards to a stab at Otaku culture, but there is an irony here seeing as Evangelion is about a character learning to deal with life and take control rather than running away from his problems.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I don't think he's really anti-social. Shinji's pretty down with his classmates he just is such a terrible robot driver that they had to move away before he stepped on them. Shinji is down with two classmates. Calling him "anti-social" perhaps gives the connotation that he doesn't want to be social, which isn't the case I think. Rather, he's just terrified of other people. He's got some pretty big social anxiety problems. For instance, there's one scene where he's on a train or something, and it's after some test or another, and he did well on it. He's sitting there all pleased with himself, flexing his hand because that's what he does. Then he notices some kids looking at him and they giggle at him because they're dumb little kids. But it bothers him, way more than it should, because he's terrified of what people think of him. He also gets uncomfortable at that one party, which had like... 9 people at it? Uncomfortable because they were too loud, or whatever. That's some primo social anxiety right there.
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Foul Ole Ron posted:I may be wrong about the motives of the show in regards to a stab at Otaku culture, but there is an irony here seeing as Evangelion is about a character learning to deal with life and take control rather than running away from his problems. Evangelion was about some depressed teenager growing and learning to take control of his life despite terrors and setbacks, for about 20 episodes, or for 90% of the 2nd rebuild, then it becomes a nihilistic postmodern orgy of excess.
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Phobophilia posted:Evangelion was about some depressed teenager growing and learning to take control of his life despite terrors and setbacks, for about 20 episodes, or for 90% of the 2nd rebuild, then it becomes a nihilistic postmodern orgy of excess. It still was about the same thing, but it turns out taking control of your life doesn't mean things are going to be good and you are going to be responsible for the choices you make
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There's literally an episode called "Hedgehog's Dilemma" Shinji wants to be social. He does! He just isn't sure how to interact with others in a way that won't be damaging to either party.
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Bewildrbeast posted:There's literally an episode called "Hedgehog's Dilemma" More than the name of the episode, Misato and Ritsuko are explicitly talking about Shinji in that manner.
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I would probably enjoy Shinji way more if he acted like this or grew a spine, rebuild thankfully doesn't have that much of a depressed angst pre-teen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPyQ6dHsG3I
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I would pay good money to see a short animated skit of Shinji being transplanted into, like, a Macross- or TTGL-esque universe and being totally bewildered and terrified when everything he does constantly turns out for the best. "I DON'T UNDERSTAND! WHAT'S HAPPENING TO MEEEEE?!"
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I would pay good money to see a short animated skit of Shinji being transplanted into, like, a Macross- or TTGL-esque universe and being totally bewildered and terrified when everything he does constantly turns out for the best. I get the feeling this would break his mind and psyche more thoroughly than anything that happens in Evangelion.
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FeedingHam2Cats posted:It still was about the same thing, but it turns out taking control of your life doesn't mean things are going to be good and you are going to be responsible for the choices you make In essence: protagonism is no substitute for planning. SirDrone posted:I would probably enjoy Shinji way more if he grew a spine code:
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GulMadred posted:Yeah, that's something that I like about Evangelion. Hot-blooded enthusiasm is usually the wrong answer; we're repeatedly shown the importance of organization, logistics, exhaustive testing, systems documentation, simulation, contingencies and redundant backups, emergency evacuation protocols, etc... Why is that significant? Because the former is a fictional trope while the latter are things that human beings actually do when faced with serious risks. I'm not sure about that. Keep in mind that the only reason NERV (and by extension humanity) survive the Evangelion TV series is because Misato is the master of flying by the seat of her pants, that all of Gendo's immaculate planning and contingencies fail him in an instant because he didn't account for Rei actually having emotions, and that the apocalypse is averted, essentially, by a mother's love for her child and that child's decision to give the world a second chance. Evangelion actually values enthusiasm and spirit pretty highly. The only difference between it and a "hot-blooded" robot show is that Evangelion treats the reality of despair and other negative emotions with much more respect.
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Sorry if anyone addressed this in the wiki but it seems to be down right now ... I watched part of the series years ago and didn't finish it for whatever reason. I think I want to give it another shot but now there are a bunch of movies and poo poo and I'm not sure where to start. Should I still start with the original series or are the movies the definitive version of the story now?
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HondaCivet posted:Sorry if anyone addressed this in the wiki but it seems to be down right now ... I watched part of the series years ago and didn't finish it for whatever reason. I think I want to give it another shot but now there are a bunch of movies and poo poo and I'm not sure where to start. Should I still start with the original series or are the movies the definitive version of the story now? Watch the director's cut of the series, then End of Evangelion, then the Rebuild movies.
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