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The fact is that Reinhard is an exception in a system that can allow almost unmitigated power to be held by one man. It's inherently vulnerable to events like the one in the spoiler above. I'll take an incompetent Alliance over the Aryan Space Reich any day.
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I'm scared to read the last ten posts in this thread. Anyways, Isee sigfried's death as a very bad sign for the direction Lohengramm is going to go. As a viewer are we meant to distrust Oberstein?
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WYA posted:I'm scared to read the last ten posts in this thread. I don't know, does he seem trustworthy to you? He's definitely a hard dude to get a read on. Slightly more detail: This is something that will be examined in-series And yeah, the safest thing is to just not read those posts.
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Chas McGill posted:The fact is that Reinhard is an exception in a system that can allow almost unmitigated power to be held by one man. It's inherently vulnerable to events like the one in the spoiler above. I'll take an incompetent Alliance over the Aryan Space Reich any day. Would you really do that if you were living then and there in the Empire? This Aryan Space Reich doesn't discriminate, is based on meritocracy and there's no doubt that the changes made increases social mobility. Yang even makes the point that if he was in the Empire, he'd rush to volunteer to serve Reinhard. WYA posted:I'm scared to read the last ten posts in this thread. It's up to the viewer as (mild non-story spoilers) even the narrator and also future historians have no idea what type of man Oberstein is. Whether he is trustworthy and loyal to Reinhard or the Empire or whether he was just an opportunist. . It's up to the viewer to judge.
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I guess it fits in with Yang's generally passive nature but it strikes me as really undermining Yang's defense of democracy. "Yeah democracy is great and all but if random chance hadn't made me born in the FPA, I'd totally be all for autocracy." He only really likes it because, as with almost anything, he ended up in the situation of being in a democracy so he's just making the best of it. It doesn't undermine his actual arguments, necessarily, but he doesn't make a great mouthpiece for them when he's probably the character most committed to democracy, as a principle, and he still seems pretty dispassionate about it. I wish there was some pro-democratic character who was a bit more of a firebrand, I guess - even a lot of Yang's followers, once the FPA surrenders and El Facil and Iserlohn break away don't really fight for democracy, they fight for Yang.
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Dictatorships can give better results for their citizens given the right leader, but democracies will, over the course of multiple leaders, more consistently produce positive results for their citizens while also protecting them against significantly negative outcomes. Dictatorships are well suited as short term agents of change while democracies are the superior long-term situation. This point is made in a number of ways in the series, but one of my favorites is this: *END OF SERIES SPOILERS* Any sufficiently benevolent and competent dictator (Reinhard) will realize that, while his dictatorship may have proven beneficial to the country's citizens, the likelihood of any of his successors' dictatorships to do likewise is dangerously small. Thus, he will seek to limit the power of future dictators by doing things like implementing a constitution, granting political autonomy to various entities, etc., because it's what's in the best long-term interests of his subjects. He does exactly this after his own mortality becomes apparent, though it also takes an act of valor on the part of Julian and the Yang remnants to overcome his pride and jumpstart his recognition of this point. Reinhard is such an interesting and contradictory character because he's clearly smart enough to realize this stuff on his own, but he's also caught up enough in his somewhat childish concept of honor that he refuses to give credence to any new view unless there are skilled people out there who can fight well in defense of it. If Yang had never been around to challenge him throughout his rise to power, and he still ended up dying young, he could have very well been just the well-intentioned start of another Goldenbaum dynasty (though I have a feeling that Hildegard would have probably made things right on her own once she was running things).
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I'm on episode 45 and the things happening right now I cant loving see how there's 60 more episodes of this show left.
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WYA posted:I'm on episode 45 and the things happening right now I cant loving see how there's 60 more episodes of this show left. Because of the constant "surely there will be peace in the galaxy now" at the end of every episode, right?
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I am rewatching LoGH again with my roommate and I'm surprised with how good the show looks. Like, it's really really pretty. Somehow I had built up in my head that the early episodes were a bit garbage and I was worried about a bit of whiplash after watching My Conquest and Overture but episode 3 was just stunning. I mean the animation isn't super complex but it's really pretty and painterly at times. Me and my roommate were just squirming thinking of all the cool stuff to come while my brother Does Not Give a poo poo. A shame.
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Anybody feel sympathetic towards Bergengrun. Poor guy did nothing to deserve losing his master twice, then he ups and offs himself.
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Khagan posted:Anybody feel sympathetic towards Bergengrun. Poor guy did nothing to deserve losing his master twice, then he ups and offs himself. For sure. There's tons of characters in LOGH, but one of the reasons it works is because the introduction of smaller-role characters are used effectively on more than one level. The Bergengruns and Buros are used to tell independently interesting stories while also augmenting the stories of larger-role characters. These two are first used to show how "normal" noble officers view Kircheis: poorly, as Reinhard's untalented bootlicker. Bergengrun is so depressed about being assigned to Kircheis that he's basically become an alcoholic. But then they are inspired by Kircheis's talent and moral character in handling the Kastropp rebellion to an extent which shows that they themselves are good guys as well as good judges of character. After Kircheis's death, Bergengrun's loyalty to Reuenthal serves to show that, while Reuenthal is ambitious and sometimes portrayed as a villain, he is still a worthy leader in the eyes of a man who has been shown to be a good judge of character. Bergengrun is one of the more tragic casualties of Oberstein doin' his thang, but his death is also one of the best slaps in the face that anyone gives Reinhard throughout the entire series.
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I finally decided to check out this show after seeing this thread floating around for years. Full disclosure: Every time I saw "Legend of Galactic Heroes" in the thread title my brain kept equating it with "Ulysses 31," so I never bothered. So I finally start reading the thread and it turns out it's about some awesome space opera. I'm six episodes in now and it's so much better than I thought it would be. Thank you, thread!
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toomanyninjas posted:I finally decided to check out this show after seeing this thread floating around for years. Full disclosure: Every time I saw "Legend of Galactic Heroes" in the thread title my brain kept equating it with "Ulysses 31," so I never bothered. So I finally start reading the thread and it turns out it's about some awesome space opera. I'm six episodes in now and it's so much better than I thought it would be. Thank you, thread! You are a fool and now you must spend the rest of your life atoning. Logh rulez
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toomanyninjas posted:I finally decided to check out this show after seeing this thread floating around for years. Full disclosure: Every time I saw "Legend of Galactic Heroes" in the thread title my brain kept equating it with "Ulysses 31," so I never bothered. So I finally start reading the thread and it turns out it's about some awesome space opera. I'm six episodes in now and it's so much better than I thought it would be. Thank you, thread! Oh man, if you're already psyched about it 6 episodes in, it will be absolutely amazing by the time you get into the second season. There's something really magical about the fact that people keep discovering a show that is over a decade old. There must be something about LoGH, because no other anime (or any other form of media for that matter) has a thread based on the idea that it must be watched by as many people as possible.
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Crosspost from the TG Miniatures thread, where a goon sculpted something just a little magical: Is it just me, or is this guy a ringer for Schenkopp at the start of Season 3? I want one of him in his triumph pose, too.
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oh my god. I just started watching this four days ago and I'm thirty episodes in. It's like someone got into my brain and designed the show that I would most like to see.
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Benagain posted:oh my god. I just started watching this four days ago and I'm thirty episodes in. It's like someone got into my brain and designed the show that I would most like to see. ONE OF US! ONE OF US! Seriously, LoGH is right up there for cult-forming shows.
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Benagain posted:oh my god. I just started watching this four days ago and I'm thirty episodes in. It's like someone got into my brain and designed the show that I would most like to see. Welcome to being disappointed in every other show you will ever watch...ever.
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The worst part of watching LOGH is that it ends, eventually. But what a ride.
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I decided to start watching this for the hell of it today, even though I've found most other things widely recommended in ADTRW overrated* (while Madoka Magica was alright, for example, it wasn't anything particularly special). This is seriously good and I can see why it seems to be so universally lauded and recommended here. *ADTRW is still way better than literally every other source related to anime/manga, though. Most of the things I've seen recommended are at least decent, even if they're not my cup of tea.
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One of the reasons I really like this show is that it examines the perfectly ideal tyrant. edit: Just realized I should spoil that
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aparmenideanmonad posted:Welcome to being disappointed in every other show you will ever watch...ever. Seriously I'm already feeling that. "Here, have a space opera that is basically one long debate about democracy vs dictatorship. The battles will be patterned after Napoleonic era armies and have tens of thousands of ships per side at least. The politics will be deep and complex. Every character is well motivated. Dumb people die rapidly. It has awesome writing. It features the line 'Alcohol is humanity's oldest friend. Can I abandon a friend?' You will love every major character and curse their success, because it means your other favorite characters are getting hosed over." My friends all hate me because I will not shut up about it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but LOGH is english subbed japanese audio right? I got nothing against subbed works (hell yeah all 4 hours of Mongol), was just wondering if any of them, like maybe the first two movies, ever got done.
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Mederlock posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but LOGH is english subbed japanese audio right? I got nothing against subbed works (hell yeah all 4 hours of Mongol), was just wondering if any of them, like maybe the first two movies, ever got done. Nope. Subs only, and it will never be licensed or dubbed, due to age and the niche market.
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The voice acting is great. I particularly like the guy who plays Yang (unfortunately dead now) and of course there's Norio as Reuental.
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Benagain posted:Seriously I'm already feeling that. "Here, have a space opera that is basically one long debate about democracy vs dictatorship. The battles will be patterned after Napoleonic era armies and have tens of thousands of ships per side at least. The politics will be deep and complex. Every character is well motivated. Dumb people die rapidly. It has awesome writing. It features the line 'Alcohol is humanity's oldest friend. Can I abandon a friend?' You will love every major character and curse their success, because it means your other favorite characters are getting hosed over." This is the best description of this show I think I've ever read. I also started watching it recently for the first time (I'm like 8 episodes in?) and was hooked pretty much immediately. I never really thought I'd be lumping so much praise on an anime sci-fi series, but this is bar none some of the best space opera I've ever seen. For an animated show, it is incredibly dramatic and has such emotional gravitas. That being said, I should stop reading this thread because I'm terrified of spoilers.
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Drone posted:That being said, I should stop reading this thread because I'm terrified of spoilers.
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Zero_Tactility posted:Also, don't watch the next episode previews. Let me repeat that but more obnoxiously: DO NOT WATCH THE NEXT EPISODE PREVIEWS! There are multiple instances where they will spoil major upcoming events. I've been watching a Youtube playlist that supposedly cuts the previews out.
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Mederlock posted:Oh well, as long as the voices aren't too annoyingly high-pitched (which I imagine won't be the case due to the seemingly mostly male cast), I'm pretty pumped for this. I love space operas and this sounds like it's pretty much perfect Young characters are also pretty rare. I can't think of an annoying VA in the show.
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Zero_Tactility posted:Also, don't watch the next episode previews. Let me repeat that but more obnoxiously: DO NOT WATCH THE NEXT EPISODE PREVIEWS! There are multiple instances where they will spoil major upcoming events. Watching the next episodes' preview is tantamount to calling in sick to work the next day and just binging through 100+ episodes. Just 1 more episode and I'll go to sleep!
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Oh man what have I got myself into. Only 2 episodes and the 2 movies in and I'm hooked line and sinker
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Mederlock posted:Oh man what have I got myself into. Only 2 episodes and the 2 movies in and I'm hooked line and sinker God I wish I could forget everything about this show and watch all 110 episodes over a weekend. 
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Madurai posted:Young characters are also pretty rare. I can't think of an annoying VA in the show. That's another huge plus the show has going for it, the only prominent 'child sidekick' character is Julian, he's at least 14 when we meet him and he's frequently the most mature dude in the room 
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Also chiming in to say what an amazing series it was and glad I stuck with it. I watched all 110 episodes over the course of several weeks a few months ago and now everything else doesn't compare. The first season was a slow burn and it was annoying to watch dumb characters continue to act dumb to make Wen-li and Reinhardt look good, but once the supporting cast was setup, season 2 and onwards was bliss.
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All these new people watching LoGH just fills my heart with joy. At least, it did until it somehow triggered the memories of Nephilm posting in this thread. Ugh.
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How did everyone watch the show? I restricted myself to only 2 episodes a day. I'd come home for lunch and watch the first, then I'd watch the second before bed. It took me about two months and it still felt too short.
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Chas McGill posted:How did everyone watch the show? I restricted myself to only 2 episodes a day. I'd come home for lunch and watch the first, then I'd watch the second before bed. It took me about two months and it still felt too short. I watched it all in one go as much as my free time would allow me, because it is so good, and I was hooked after first five episodes.
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Chas McGill posted:How did everyone watch the show? I restricted myself to only 2 episodes a day. I'd come home for lunch and watch the first, then I'd watch the second before bed. It took me about two months and it still felt too short. Did it in a fortnight. Though normally I like to finish my anime in a week. The only 2 anime that have taken me longer is Monster and this. Benagain posted:My friends all hate me because I will not shut up about it. Sounds like friends hate good anime, convert or ditch them.
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