uhhhhahhhhohahhh posted:

I'd be fine with it this way if RPGs gave a lock on tone, couldn't give a poo poo if it isn't realistic. doesn't matter now anyway, they've already hosed it up by the sounds of things.

"The Battlefield Blog" posted:

We want to take this opportunity to thank everyone that has played the Battlefield 4 Beta! Your feedback has been crucial in testing the underlying infrastructure and reporting both bugs and balancing issues to ensure a smooth launch on October 29. In this blog post, we want to bring up some of the key findings and how we’re addressing these for the launch of Battlefield 4. Thanks again for playing and keep the feedback coming on the Battlelog Beta forums.

Low frame rate/stuttering
PC players may have experienced trouble in the Beta getting the game running at a good frame rate. Rest assured that we’re using the information we received to optimize the performance for the launch of the game. We also released three game client updates and a number of game server updates during the Beta to address some of these issues and to gather more information to ensure a smoother launch.

Stuck on loading screen
We have identified some of the reasons why players, mainly on PC, were getting stuck on the loading screen and are currently working around the clock to decrease the rate at which this occurs. The latest PC patch for the Beta helped for some players and we are confident we will be able to minimize this issue for launch.

High CPU usage during the Beta
CPU usage could sometimes skyrocket for dual, quad and six-core processors. We identified some of the reasons and released three patches with fixes that went live during the Beta, to address the problems. This was a true Beta, and as such all the crash reports that were generated during this period will actually help us make a better game.

Controller layouts (X360/PS3)
We’ve increased the available controller options in Battlefield 4, including the new controller layout and multiple alternatives that we hope will make you feel right at home. If you’re more comfortable with the controls from Battlefield 3, we’ve got you covered. Just by bringing up the options menu, you can choose the “Legacy” layout, which is similar to that in Battlefield 3.

Empty server listings (X360/PS3)
While in the Server Browser you may have seen lists of empty servers. By changing the filter options, you’ll be able to find populated servers that you can join. You can also use the “Quick Match” function to quickly get into the action.

The elevator catapult (All platforms)
Although an interesting concept, elevators were never designed to act as a catapult or teleporter. The bug where the elevator button would catapult you up into the air is fixed for the final game. But we did enjoy all the crazy videos you’ve posted. Thanks!

Gameplay balancing
We are still balancing gameplay, and in true DICE fashion will continue to do so well after the release of Battlefield 4. Below are just some of the gameplay changes based on your feedback that we’re making in time for the launch of the game.

Infantry Changes
-Fixed how the player only receives a single local damage sound effect if he or she was the victim of a quick, clean kill. The sound and camera impact effect had too long a cool down between hits. This should improve the responsiveness of being killed and taking damage.

-Reduced the fire rate of the AK12 in burst from 1000rpm to 750rpm. The rate of fire was too high when combined with the low recoil of the weapon, making it more powerful than intended in burst mode.

-Tweaked the compensator and muzzle brake so they’re properly less accurate in sustained automatic fire.

-Reduced and rebalanced full auto accuracy based on rate of fire for all automatic weapons to balance low ROF weapons. Low ROF weapons were remaining accurate long enough to get easy kills outside of their intended optimal range.

-Increased the default throw distance of the portable ammo and med packs. This makes it easier to throw these packs to teammates.

-Portable ammo packs now reload 2 magazines of bullets instantly and up a total of 4 magazines per pack over time. The player must stay on top of the ammo pack in order to benefit from all of the ammo reloading. Grenades, RPG’s, and other explosive launchers do not benefit from the instant reload function of the Ammo Pack.

-Increased the muzzle flash of the 25mm and 40mm launchers to make their threat position more visible.

-Fixed an issue where the knife stab didn’t align with the kill event.

-The revive time has been increased from 7s to 10s.

Vehicle Changes
-Fixed some descriptions of weapons for vehicles that incorrectly described the function of the weapon.

-Increased the damage of the Stinger and IGLA to 3 hits to kill attack choppers (was 25%, now 35%).

-Increased the speed of all TOW guided missiles to 75m/s from 50m/s so they can catch-up to fast vehicles like the Quad bike.

-Increased the sustained fire accuracy of the Coaxial LMG on armored vehicles because it was underpowered.

-Reduced the damage the 40mm and 25mm infantry weapons do to armored vehicles to highlight their anti-infantry role.

-Reduced the damage main gun on the IFVs against other armor to highlight their primarily anti-infantry role.

-Fixed an issue where the tank main gun did not correctly hit the center of the crosshair at all times.

-Multiple options are now available for controlling how your vehicles steer with a joystick on all platforms, as well as improved the responsiveness of steering while accelerating.

Locking Weapon Changes
-RPG7 and SMAW can no longer lock on to Laser Designated Targets. It was inauthentic and not balanced.

-Fixed some projectiles not warning vehicles when they were fired on a Laser Designated target. Reduced the lock on distance for RPGs, SMAW, and MBT LAW missiles to 350m from 500m. This gives the IGLA the clear long range AA role for soldiers, and keeps the team play element of Laser Designation.

-All Laser Designated missiles now do a maximum of 90% damage to Attack and Scout helicopters (down from 100%). This was done to give helicopters a chance to use their Fire Extinguisher countermeasure even against Laser Designated weapons.

General Changes
-The kill string in the score log now appears sooner, making the UI more responsive to a kill event.

-The aim assist on X360/PS3 has been tweaked to be more consistent at all ranges. The assist was over powerful at close range, and not powerful enough at medium range. Players should now find that close combat requires much more player input and the snap to a target is far less forgiving. At medium range the player should experience a bit more assistance tracking targets, but generally still reduced aim assist effectiveness.

PC Specific Changes
-Fixed a string in On Foot PC key bindings that should have read “CROUCH (TOGGLE) / PRONE (HOLD)”.

-Removed an unused “Underslung” key binding on PC, the “Select Gadget 1″ key binding now controls both of these actions as expected.

Atheist Sunglasses posted:

-RPG7 and SMAW can no longer lock on to Laser Designated Targets. It was inauthentic and not balanced.

-Fixed some projectiles not warning vehicles when they were fired on a Laser Designated target. Reduced the lock on distance for RPGs, SMAW, and MBT LAW missiles to 350m from 500m. This gives the IGLA the clear long range AA role for soldiers, and keeps the team play element of Laser Designation.

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-Reduced and rebalanced full auto accuracy based on rate of fire for all automatic weapons to balance low ROF weapons. Low ROF weapons were remaining accurate long enough to get easy kills outside of their intended optimal range.

Atheist Sunglasses posted:

uhhhhahhhhohahhh posted:

the helicopter rockets were pretty overpowered bullshit in the BF4 beta, you could kill a tank with one burst in 3 seconds. You just never saw it happen because they were getting shot down by RPGs they didn't know were coming or were too busy fighting the other helicopters which respawned 10 seconds after getting shot down for who knows what reason.

I'd be fine with it this way if RPGs gave a lock on tone, couldn't give a poo poo if it isn't realistic. doesn't matter now anyway, they've already hosed it up by the sounds of things.

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Fixed an issue where the knife stab didn’t align with the kill event.

OGS-Remix posted:

I don't really understand this change. Do they expect low ROF weapons to have less accuracy then their higher ROF counterparts? That makes no sense because then they have no "optimal" range. Up close, the higher ROF should win out and with lower accuracy, they'll lose at mid/long range since people can tap the higher ROF just as easily.

Sparticle posted:

The accuracy nerfs on high ROF weapons means you will no longer get super accurate 10 round bursts even if you can compensate for recoil.
The Coax LMG buff is kind of bullshit since the thing was already a laser.

Grouchy Smurf posted:

I love how they state a fix was due to the item in question behaving in an "unauthentic" fashion, when tank shells experience 1 meter drop per 100 meters distance.

DrPop posted:

...Alborz (aka Battlefield Skyrim) was kind of a dumpy map all-around, despite being pretty looking...

Grouchy Smurf posted:

I love how they state a fix was due to the item in question behaving in an "unauthentic" fashion, when tank shells experience 1 meter drop per 100 meters distance.

Naturally Selected posted:

They also have wire-guided munitions locking and top-smacking things, but that's fine. Pretty sure the "authentic fashion" stuff is their codeword for "people sperged wayy too hard to us about it."

TheRationalRedditor posted:

You need to learn a subtle compensation with the AN-94 when you're able to exceed 1000 RPM or more, it's more than just aiming & firing. Never don't use the HB, and there's no good reason whatsoever to use a bipod or laser.

I don't recommend high zooms either, try the Holos which are a great compromise.

"The Battlefield Blog" posted: posted:

-Increased the damage of the Stinger and IGLA to 3 hits to kill attack choppers (was 25%, now 35%).

keyframe posted:

What is the IGLA again?

Anti-Hero posted:

Always use the HB. Are you standing still when shooting? The gun has a definite rhythm to how fast you can click depending on the engagement range. However, when you get it down it literally is just like pixel sniping. Click on the bad guys to make them go away.

Naturally Selected posted:

I actually had quite a bit of success using it as a DMR that's more useful up close. Bipod, 4x, hbar. Bipodded it has no recoil at all.

Then again, I also did decently well with a bipod/6x/hbar M416 But that one was tough as hell to use.

CombatBonta-kun posted:

I'm a little confused here. I was under the impression that the IGLA was supposed to be stronger than the Stinger because you had to remain locked on, unlike the Stinger's "fire and forget". If they take the same number of hits to kill, what is the point in using the IGLA if it is harder to use?

TheRationalRedditor posted:

Nope, strafe ADS spread for the AN is perfectly fine if the situation calls for it. Most ARs (F2000 lol) pull it off well as long as the HB is on.

Unless you're trying to do a purposefully weird sniping thing on a big conquest map, I don't recommend bipodding ever as any class but Support with an LMG. Being instantly mobile in all situations to anticipate warning suppression is how you avoid dying as much as possible as Assault. When you really get a grip on advanced AN-94 use, you functionally have no recoil. using high zoom (4x and above) for 1000+ rpm is lousy because you need to compensate proportionately more for viewkick and it's extremely severe when magnified.

CombatBonta-kun posted:

I'm a little confused here. I was under the impression that the IGLA was supposed to be stronger than the Stinger because you had to remain locked on, unlike the Stinger's "fire and forget". If they take the same number of hits to kill, what is the point in using the IGLA if it is harder to use?

Changelog posted:

-Fixed an issue where the tank main gun did not correctly hit the center of the crosshair at all times.

Ravenfood posted:

Soft kill? The support gets a gadget that redirects incoming laser-guided missiles if that's what you're talking about. Hopefully it also shoots down incoming grenades or dumbfires or something. One of the squad upgrade trees increases its uptime.

If its anything like BF3, SOFLAMs auto-designate within a narrow arc and can be controlled by remote from a distance. The PLD requires you to expose yourself to your threat, but also probably doesn't get a giant red "shoot here" laser and can be used on the move and much more quickly than the cumbersome SOFLAM.

General Battuta posted:

Early trailers showed an Iron Fist system on boats. I hope I can use it to shoot down incoming tank shells, the only thing capable of stopping boat rage.

SAMARIX posted:

Rather happy with all those changes other than the 40mm/25mm doing less damage to armour. It was nice as a assault knowing I could actually help kill a tank when other people were shooting it. I never felt it did a ton of damage so it was more like you could support engineers in killing armour.
Oh well hopefully you can still do a little damage.

CombatBonta-kun posted:

I'm a little confused here. I was under the impression that the IGLA was supposed to be stronger than the Stinger because you had to remain locked on, unlike the Stinger's "fire and forget". If they take the same number of hits to kill, what is the point in using the IGLA if it is harder to use?

Insert name here posted:

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General Battuta posted:

Early trailers showed an Iron Fist system on boats. I hope I can use it to shoot down incoming tank shells, the only thing capable of stopping boat rage.

Ckwiesr posted:

Apparently you've never encountered a c-4 rigged 'jihad-ski'.

General Battuta posted:

I dunno, as an occasional pilot I really didn't like instant air vehicle respawns because it made dogfights meaningless. You never got to spend any time on the fun stuff (air to ground) - just an endless series of circle-at-313 dogfights.

Naturally Selected posted:

Yeah I wouldn't recommend using 6x/HBars the way I did, it was just to qualify my statements about the Abakan. I used bipods a lot on Karkand maps though, there were enough sightlines and concealment to make it worthwhile. On anything outside of kark/caspian/firestorm though, yeah, it's not recommended at all.

Actually, with the way the guns and the map were in beta here, I didn't use the bipod at all even on LMGs. The friggin T88 was controllable enough that you could lay down the same amount of fire while moving.