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Naffer posted:I ordered a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro from Lenovo (i7, 8GB, 256GB, grey) two days ago and my estimated shipping date is the 25th. I can't wait, but I'm pretty worried about complaints about how the monitor reproduces yellow colors: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Idea-Windows-based-Tablets-and/Yoga-2-Pro-13-Yellow-Color-Issues/td-p/1270101/page/1 Balls. Also, replacing all those panels is gonna be massively expensive for Lenovo.
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Stew Man Chew posted:Why the gently caress can't anyone just nail a laptop, it seems like literally all of the Haswell options come with a special unacceptable problem. Here I was all excited to grab a Yoga2 but if I'm gonna be working with lightroom then Apple comes closest, imo. Not that they do everything best but they do most things very well with no glaring issues. Every ultrabook has to prove that either it's worth the premium over an MBA or similar to but cheaper than an MBA. On the super high end its the same except with the retina MBP. Most can't really hack it but they compensate with things Apple just won't do like digitiser, touchscreen, convertible, etc.
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AriTheDog posted:What are the other convertible options with Haswell anyway? It seems like it's the XPS 12 or the Yoga 2 Pro... Right? Sony Vaio Duo 13.
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Magic Underwear posted:Apple comes closest, imo. Not that they do everything best but they do most things very well with no glaring issues. Every ultrabook has to prove that either it's worth the premium over an MBA or similar to but cheaper than an MBA. On the super high end its the same except with the retina MBP. Most can't really hack it but they compensate with things Apple just won't do like digitiser, touchscreen, convertible, etc. The only stumbling block for the MBA now is that (relatively) awful TN screen.
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Aphrodite posted:Sony Vaio Duo 13. Oh, right, thanks. Saw it in a Microsoft Store and was unimpressed. It just feels kind of cheap, altogether.
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AriTheDog posted:Oh, right, thanks. Saw it in a Microsoft Store and was unimpressed. It just feels kind of cheap, altogether. It is, but for the sake of completeness. There's nothing wrong with the XPS 12, unless you really hate Dell.
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Does anyone know what the screen type is on the Thinkpad Yoga? I've looked around but can't find it.
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sincx posted:I'm really, really want the top of the line version. I hope a Dell Outlet coupon will bring the price of the $2300 model close to $1000 within 6 months. I want it too but $1000 or even $1300 is not going to happen. Even by the time that Dell releases whatever refresh with the next Intel chips, 3200x1800 screens aren't going to be very prolific. I'd say $1500-1700 is a more reasonable hope. $1500 won't even get you the basest 15 inch MBP, much less Retina...
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MikeJF posted:Does anyone know what the screen type is on the Thinkpad Yoga? I've looked around but can't find it. I can't find a source, but I'm fairly certain it's IPS (IIRC).
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So I bought a T430 back in November based on the recommendations of this thread and I'm finally getting a refund after 11 months of bullshit regarding a malfunctioning wireless card (they replacement device arrived today and within 2 hours, had repeated the same issue I had before 3 times). That said, what are some recommendations on laptops under $750 or so? It's primarily a work device.
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Bah, the lovely trackpad on the Yoga Pro 2 (along with YELLOW FUD I guess - saw this after I got rid of it) caused me to return it at Best Buy today. Exchanged it for a 2013 Haswell 11" MBA w/256gigs ($999, open box, never used). Was nice getting $219 credited back during the exchange, also. Guess I'm an Apple hardware guy at heart. Really, I just wanted to be able to keep the machine in my bag at security (I fly weekly) since I already take my work X230t out for screening (at non-PreCheck airports). The MBA does all I need it to do and is extremely light. 1366, non IPS, I get it but the Air is perfect as a second travel machine. Dat trackpad too. Just finished putting Windows 8.1 on it via Bootcamp. Perfect compromise and companion to my 15" rMBP w/Win 8.1 via Bootcamp as well. hotsauce fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Oct 19, 2013 |
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What's the determination for being able to keep a computer in your bag or not? I thought only tablets and e-readers were exempt.
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DNova posted:What's the determination for being able to keep a computer in your bag or not? I thought only tablets and e-readers were exempt. It's basically 'gently caress we have no idea now that the categories are starting to blur together'.
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DNova posted:What's the determination for being able to keep a computer in your bag or not? I thought only tablets and e-readers were exempt. Under 13" according the TSA. I've never had an issue with my Surface Pro (which I've sold). Just leave it in there and they never said a thing. If I tried to leave my 12.5" Thinkpad in my bag, all hell breaks loose. So I guess it's really under 12.5"? Not sure but an 11" laptop causes zero issues (owned an 11" MBA years ago, never had to remove it).
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hotsauce posted:Under 13" according the TSA. I've never had an issue with my Surface Pro (which I've sold). Just leave it in there and they never said a thing. If I tried to leave my 12.5" Thinkpad in my bag, all hell breaks loose. Well, they're probably visually rounding it to either 13 or 11, those being the sizes they're familiar with.
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Remember when the TSA gave its consent to the Tumi T-Pass briefcase? never forget.
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Best 13"-14" laptop in the $800-1000 range? For various uses but not gaming; would like a decent processor and acceptable built-in camera and good build and battery life, etc. Dell offers the XPS 12 at $1200 before any sales (featuring a hinge!), the Thinkpad T430 starts at $764, or I could just wait for the new Retina MBP and pay the premium. Upgrading isn't urgent but what would be a good choice in general?
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Cultural Imperial posted:Remember when the TSA gave its consent to the Tumi T-Pass briefcase? You can still use cases like that, even with a 13"+ laptop. The TSA does occasionally ask you to totally remove it, but if the case opens up and the flap containing the laptop is by itself (like in the photos on the link) it's fine. Basically, it has to be separated from the other contents of your bag. Otherwise, the drone at the scanner screen has a shitfit and demands you remove you terrorist computer for screening. It's so aggravating. The only real solution is to get in on the PreCheck program and leave all that poo poo in your bag (liquids, leave your shoes belt and jacket on - it's amazing). http://www.tumi.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4063096 * *The TSA reserves the right to ask anyone to remove a Laptop from its case, or re-screen any laptop or case hotsauce fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Oct 19, 2013 |
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MikeJF posted:Does anyone know what the screen type is on the Thinkpad Yoga? I've looked around but can't find it. Here's a side by side comparison video and while the Thinkpad's screen type is not mentioned explicitly, it does look like it's panel is inferior to the Yoga 2 Pro's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp2fTHy_Izs
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MikeJF posted:Does anyone know what the screen type is on the Thinkpad Yoga? I've looked around but can't find it. Engadget preview says it's IPS. http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/05/lenovo-thinkpad-yoga-hands-on/
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MikeJF posted:I wonder why it's so noticeably different in that preview video, then. Probably the anti-glare coating. v  v
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I don't see it being mentioned in this thread as a contender but I got a new Dell Inspiron 14 last week and I really think it is a good option. The Inspiron 14 currently comes in two configurations, with an i5-4200U/6GB RAM or i7-4500U/8GB of RAM. The rest of the specs are the same: Intel EXTREEEME 4400 integrated GPU only 500GB 5200RPM 5mm spinning hard drive 1920x1080 touchscreen display 58Whr battery Dual Band WiFi 7260 2x2 AGN + Bluetooth 4.0 No wired ethernet 2x USB 3.0 ports HDMI out 4.3lbs (my measurement) 15.3mm thick Right out of the gate, the display on this thing is fantastic. I'm not sure if it is IPS but the colors are accurate right out of the box, viewing angles are good, and the display folds all the way back 180 degrees if you are into that. The RAM is soldered to the motherboard so there won't be any upgrades in your future in that respect. The keyboard is full sized, backlit, and sturdy, but the key travel is short. The laptop feels heavy for its size, but 4.3lbs isn't too heavy. The exterior is a strongish alloy so there's no creaking or bending. The trackpad is a synaptic touchpad with a decent texture to it. It feels better than my old HP Envy 15's, but it is still a trackpad so the usual caveats apply. The click is crisp and precise and there's no jiggle to it. It's a bit short though, depth-wise, so I often end up activating the "swipe-down" gesture because I end up in the upper portion frequently. This can be disabled though, so problem solved. I know a lot of you are anti-touchscreen, but it makes using the trackpad slightly less disagreeable. I use the touchscreen for clicking larger things-- ok buttons, start menu tiles, web page buttons, scrolling. For precision you still need the trackpad to click. Battery life is really good. I haven't drained the battery completely yet, but I can flip the laptop on when I get home at 6pm and use it until bed time at 11-12 and still have 30-40% left. Usage is web stuff, some visual studio C++ work, maybe OpenSCAD. The power adapter is a small, smaller than the size of two decks of cards, and the cord is around 10 feet long. The hard drive in this thing is really its limiting factor. Sequential read speeds around 90MB/s, 4kb read speeds around 0MB/s. I've seen the "latency" in the windows 8 task manager reach close to 10 seconds. If something is hitting the hard drive, be prepared for the whole machine to be sluggish. Dell doesn't offer it as an option, but the motherboard has a 6BG/s mSATA slot so I've upgraded to a 240GB SSD as my main drive. Installing the mSATA is a bit of a oval office because you have to pretty much take the entire laptop apart to get to it (bottom side of the motherboard). After that upgrade you'll feel like you've got a new laptop. The dual core 1.8GHz CPU is pretty quick, with a 3GHz turbo bin you'll see getting used frequently. Launching a game you'll see your 15W CPU throttle pretty hard once it hits 70C so don't think you'll be playing Star Citizen on it or anything. Indie games like FTL are fine and don't even hit the throttle. The laptop stays really cool in normal use, and the fan never kicks up to audible range unless something hammers the CPU for 30 seconds continually. EDIT: Forgot to mention my biggest gripe, that PgUp/PgDn/Home/End are Fn keys on the arrows. 1" of space on each side of the keyboard and we can't have dedicated keys for these? For a developer this is a real productivity killer because I'm constantly moving around in source code with the keyboard and my brain keeps thinking that if I need to press Fn I need to also press shift, which selects text and then everything is a mess. The Visual Studio addin that makes the scrollbar into a live preview is a boon here because instead of PgUp/Dn I just look at where I want to be in the source and touch the screen there. Cost is reasonable too. $940+$65 tax, and 5% back in "Dell Credit" as well as 2% cash back if you click through to Dell from Fat Wallet. CapnBry fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Oct 19, 2013 |
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QuarkJets posted:Didn't Apple use the huge cash stores that it was sitting on to buy all of these just to gently caress with everyone else for awhile? Y410s not available in the UK. My friend suggested the g700 instead http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops/laptops/lenovo-g700-17-3-laptop-21426634-pdt.html Good idea? massive spider fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Oct 19, 2013 |
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So Lenovo is formally looking into the yellow issue on the Y2P. However, it seems like it's definitely software related. The Lenovo Energy Manager, when set to High Performance mode, makes the yellows look normal. So I just keep it in "high performance mode" but adjusted the power settings when on battery power to be basically the same as "balanced" mode. Edit: I'm going to do another web-browsing test over night to see what effect this has on battery life at the same brightness. Butt Soup Barnes fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Oct 19, 2013 |
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massive spider posted:Y410s not available in the UK. My friend suggested the g700 instead http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops/laptops/lenovo-g700-17-3-laptop-21426634-pdt.html Good idea? Just keep in mind that it's got a previous generation processor (i3-3xxx, i5-3xxx, i7-3xxx), and if you're willing to go that way instead of Haswell then you can get pretty much any configuration that you want e: Oh wait, it's also 17" with only a 1600x900 resolution. If it's going to be 15" or larger than you should probably insist on a screen resolution of at least 1920x1080, and 17" laptops are annoying as hell to use because they're so bulky. Otherwise it looks fine, you could replace the HDD with an SSD and have a decently powerful laptop and what I assume is a reasonable price (I don't know what a reasonable price in GBP would be) with only a couple of potential downsides ... all of that said, get whatever you want, those are just my opinions
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I am the proud new owner of a Yoga 11s and I have no early idea what all the hubbub about yellows are.  It's a fantastic build and great hardware for the right price. I realize I'm preaching to the choir here, but I think it ought to be the default non-Mac non-work machine suggestion.
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Chokes McGee posted:I am the proud new owner of a Yoga 11s and I have no early idea what all the hubbub about yellows are. They yellow is an issue with the new Yoga 2 Pro, not the 11s.
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Butt Soup Barnes posted:They yellow is an issue with the new Yoga 2 Pro, not the 11s. Oh neat! Makes me feel even better about my purchase. 
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Is it okay to buy the Yoga 2 yet, or are there still unresolved issues? I also can't seem to find one of the new Yoga 2 with these specs. All the stores around me seem to be out of stock and it looks like buying one directly from lenovo with similar specs is about $300 more?
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singe posted:Is it okay to buy the Yoga 2 yet, or are there still unresolved issues? I also can't seem to find one of the new Yoga 2 with these specs. The yellow issue appears to be software but there's only a stop gap fix at the moment. That's really the only issue that's popped up. I heard one person who said their keyboard backlight was uneven but I don't think it's widespread. And yeah for some reason Lenovo's sale doesn't apply to that one. But a lot of people (myself included) bought that model from Best Buy even though the website said out of stock. I'm not sure if that's changed now since I think it's officially released. But you might want to try going to the actual store and having them look up the SKU.
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Does anyone know what the actual max resolution (or HDMI spec) for the micro HDMI out is for the Yoga 2 Pro? I need a new work machine and have 2 27" monitors. Allegedly I can drive one with a USB 3.0 to DisplayPort connector, but I'd like to know if I can drive the other monitor with some combination of micro HDMI to DisplayPort/HDMI/DL-DVI and custom resolutions. Alternatively, outside of the Yoga 2 Pro and the new Dell XPS 15, are there any other Haswell laptops with a QHD+ screen that might also work?
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So a lot of people are suggesting installing a SSD Drive to the Lenovo y410p and doing a clean install on it. And uh, installing the SSD is easy. But how do you do a clean install with the y410p? It didn't come with a reinstall disc. Do you need a separate Windows 8 key?
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The key is embedded in the bios, just use any random single launguage windows 8 disc.
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Klaus Kinski posted:The key is embedded in the bios, just use any random single launguage windows 8 disc.
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I guess someone over on Reddit says the T440 is now available for preorder through CDW and will ship mid-November. Ugggh, I probably need a new laptop before then and I'm not sure I can wait, but I don't want to shell out for a non-Haswell at this stage in the game  Anyone have any experience with how lenient Lenovo's return policy is? some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Oct 20, 2013 |
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I have a 2011 13'' MBA that's been getting increasingly lovely battery life, and I've also been more than a bit frustrated with performance when occasionally trying to work with large photos in Lightroom and Photoshop when I'm away from my desktop. I realize I'm definitely asking more from this machine than it's intended to do, so I've been lusting for the XPS 15 and it's sweet sweet display, but it's really more of a want than a need. In most cases, I'd be content to wait until I could use my more powerful desktop, but that drat 3200x1800 display is hard for me to ignore. To those of you that have the Yoga Pro 2, is the display THAT awesome in general use? Is anyone here using it for semi-serious photo editing?
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