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It seems like Sigma and the others could easily get the Axelavir off him if they ganged up on him or grabbed him while he wasn't paying attention. He needs to have his hands free to actually smash it after all. It would be risky, but not as risky as actually picking ally in the upcoming vote.
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Oct 20, 2013 13:24
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Eh, I say let's vote Ally, just to see what happens. 
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Oct 20, 2013 14:09
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CandyCrazy posted:I didn't say anything, but this scene is why I was hoping we'd side with Dio this round instead of Tenmyouji, especially when people started thinking he might not be all that bad. Crushing people's hopes is always fun.  Additionally, now I can post that image I have! 
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Oct 20, 2013 14:10
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Oh, man, this moment. People have been saying so many ironic things leading up to this moment.Spatula City posted:I think people find it hard to betray likable characters like Luna and Tenmyougi. Now, if it were Dio or Quark, the decision would be MUCH easier. I think this may be the most ironic statement so far. Sigma's life or Quark's... yep, that's an easy choice all right. Then again, in the context of the statement itself, maybe it is. Ghostwoods posted:I reckon we should give Mr.-Way-Too-Obviously-Punkish Dio a chance to knife us instead. Let's see the cut of his gib free from Quark The Hell Child! Chance given. I hope you're happy with the result. legendsuper posted:I don't really see Dio as a prick. It just seems that the odds are never in his favor. I believe he's currently holding all the vials, and he's still a prick. Zoe posted:And whew!, I sure am glad we found the cure! I admit I was getting a little worried there, but everything will be fine now and no one will die. I take it back - THIS is the most ironic statement. Well, okay, I suppose Dio could be intending to choose Ally and nobody dies, but who thinks that's going to happen? I mean, he's obviously employing some level of deception, given that trick with the vial... Changamer posted:At this point in the game, it's impossible to tell who's lying. I'm gonna guess Quark, because Dio lying seems a bit too obvious. legoman727 posted:I love Dio in these scenes, and I don't know why. ...It's going to turn out that Dio was telling the truth about Quark in the first vote, isn't it? Does anyone want to revise their opinions of Dio? Because when something's that obvious, there's the usual reason that someone's purposefully trying to misdirect you, but then there's the reason that it's just obvious because it's absolutely true.
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Oct 20, 2013 14:23
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Nidoking posted:Chance given. I hope you're happy with the result. Deliciously happy, thank you. 
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Oct 20, 2013 15:03
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So, we have a chance to gently caress over both Dio AND Quark in the next vote? Deal!
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Oct 20, 2013 15:11
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Additionally, now I can post that image I have! The only thing that would make this image even better is having the instrumental bits of "Take On Me" looping in the background.
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Oct 20, 2013 15:16
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I'm interested to see where the votes go next update, now that the choice isn't so one sided as "Ally with that nice girl Luna who never did you wrong, or betray her like an evil disgusting piece of poo poo."
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Oct 20, 2013 15:31
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The smart thing to do would be to run ahead and tell everyone he's got the axelevir. Sure, he says he'll smash it once you do but once the cat's out of the bag, the balance of power will shift and he'll only have two choices: fork it over or get his brains smashed in (and if he chooses to smash the vial out of spite, option 2 gets locked in). Of course it's probably not going to come to that, is it? Dammit.
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Oct 20, 2013 15:49
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I wonder if it's even possible to get some sort of positive resolution out of this path now. There's no way in hell Dio is going to hit Ally, so either we choose Ally and get to see what happens when we die as a result, or choose Betray and see the fallout there. Maybe Clover will avenge us after we bonded over terrible puns together. 
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Oct 20, 2013 17:03
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Battle Pigeon posted:Maybe Clover will avenge us after we bonded over terrible puns together. And Sigma calling her stupid about a dozen times.
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Oct 20, 2013 17:19
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I lied. THIS was the real reason this is my favorite room. You have been assuming that Dio couldn't possibly be as bad as he acts, then he decides to set you up in a situation where you could possibly die. So now you actually have a reason to betray someone instead of jut screwing them over. Of course, as people have picked up on, he never said that he was going to betray, so who knows what he is going to do.
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Oct 20, 2013 17:25
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:And Sigma calling her stupid about a dozen times. She took it all in stride, as if she was used to hearing it for some reason. Besides, Dio was worse than we were, in addition to the small issue of threatening to kill a child/possibly everyone if he leaves. I guess if not Clover, potentially everyone but Luna could avenge us instead. Especially looking forward to seeing how Ten reacts to what Dio is doing.
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Oct 20, 2013 17:34
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BlazeEmblem posted:I lied. THIS was the real reason this is my favorite room. You have been assuming that Dio couldn't possibly be as bad as he acts, then he decides to set you up in a situation where you could possibly die. So now you actually have a reason to betray someone instead of jut screwing them over. Of course, as people have picked up on, he never said that he was going to betray, so who knows what he is going to do. I love how Dio goes from "Stop joking around! There's a sick kid that needs our help!" to "I'm going to steal said sick kid's medicine and hold his life for ransom.  "
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Oct 20, 2013 17:36
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I'm pretty sure that he's gonna go ally and this was just getting us to confirm an ally-ally. On the other hand, I bet it's gonna be hilariously awkward if we betray and he allies. Or if we both betray. Or if we ally and he betrays. Whatever happens, the fallout is gonna be glorious. 
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Oct 20, 2013 17:41
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Hey, Sigma promised he was going to ally. He didn't get Clover to promise. All Sigma really needs to do is not go in the booth. Or just have someone strong keep Dio from entering the the voting booth, Sigma go in and ally.
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Oct 20, 2013 18:05
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Kgummy posted:Hey, Sigma promised he was going to ally. He didn't get Clover to promise.
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Oct 20, 2013 18:14
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Never mind, the guy after this had a point. I'll say it later.
Justin_Brett fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Oct 20, 2013 |
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Oct 20, 2013 18:33
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Justin_Brett posted:I didn't like this part when I got to it, since it's basically only giving you two possible choices for how to respond to this situation. Hope you're not trying to say that the only options past this point are ally or betray, since saying that would in itself be a spoiler - don't forget that the game does have a dialog and choice system beyond just the AB room, we've made choices on at least which doors to go through (with more than 2 options, mind you) and potentially other choices that may or may not have been seen on the paths already explored (not going to reread the past thousands of posts to see if there's a more specific way to word the last part). Actually, I just remembered the security room - a choice in a conversation that had nothing to do with the chromatic doors or AB room. Who's to say there won't be another choice coming up soon about how we should respond? Keep quiet, tell others, physically confront Dio, etc
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Oct 20, 2013 19:42
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pssssh, this is an easy choice. Dio is not good at the blackmail thing. As people have said, given the assumption that Dio cannot be trusted to keep his word at any point, choosing Ally would not guarantee Quark's safety, and would probably get Sigma killed and allow Dio to escape. If we betray Dio, he might still keep the medicine for protection. Because should he break it, Sigma will tell Tenmyougi what Dio did, and WELP. This is a play that most people in the game would fall for, but Sigma should be smart enough to see the flaw. So when the time comes, I will vote Betray and so should everyone else. 
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Oct 20, 2013 20:22
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Nidoking posted:Oh, man, this moment. People have been saying so many ironic things leading up to this moment. Anyway, I don't think Dio's going to pick 'betray', just because it'd be blatantly obvious to everyone involved that he killed Sigma. More than that, Clover would probably tell everyone about the Axelavir. Considering he killed one dude (who everyone was pretty cool with) and used a kid's life as leverage, he'd be well on his way to triple-killed city. Or at the very least, everyone would be keeping him on a ridiculous short leash. Like, tying him up and dragging him through the puzzle rooms. That short of a leash.
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Oct 20, 2013 20:25
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Oh, if only Axelavir was in a plastic bottle instead of a glass one, things would've been so much easier: the fastest way to destroy it would've required opening the cap, and that takes long enough to take it out of this Dio's hands. Though now that I think about it, isn't liquid medicine always kept in glass containers? Does that have anything to do with sterile environments or something like that?
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Oct 20, 2013 20:41
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Alopex posted:I'm pretty sure that he's gonna go ally and this was just getting us to confirm an ally-ally. Justify yourself.
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Oct 20, 2013 20:52
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SingerOfW posted:Though now that I think about it, isn't liquid medicine always kept in glass containers? Does that have anything to do with sterile environments or something like that? Some medicines are kept in plastic bottles (many kid pain/antibiotic medicines and lots of medicines delivered by IV for example) but there are also plenty that can only be kept in glass (even some IV drugs). You can go into details like sterility, micro-pores or degradation of plastic, air penetration, and all kids of other reasons, but I think the most important one here is that it would make for a good plot device. It's also worth pointing out that the safe gave a misleading size of scale - it's either been covered earlier or at latest will be covered very soon, but I'll go ahead and say it since the size isn't really supposed to really be a secret. The bottle itself is only a few cm tall at most - it's holding a couple dozen ml of medicine at most, not a couple hundred. E: Livingtrope posted:Justify yourself. Probably bad form to quote yourself, but my post was the last post before a new page on the default settings and plenty of people are probably just hitting last page. Sentient Data posted:(Ally-ally reasoning that I won't paste here since it's a couple paragraphs) Sentient Data fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Oct 20, 2013 |
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Oct 20, 2013 20:54
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If Dio really wanted to guarantee an ally-ally, he probably should have explained that? Surely it would be possible to squeeze in some of that reasoning even while doing his best villain laugh. As it is, all he's doing is justifying us betraying him. Any plan that revolves around Sigma (stupidly) sacrificing himself for a stranger is probably a bad one.
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Oct 20, 2013 20:58
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Endorph posted:Hey, is quoting every single person who said anything that turned out to be wrong and going 'neener neener neener' really fun or interesting for anyone? Legitimate question. I thought it was pretty funny and I've never played. It can be a long time between updates and I like seeing how speculation turns out.
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Oct 20, 2013 21:03
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Endorph posted:Hey, is quoting every single person who said anything that turned out to be wrong and going 'neener neener neener' really fun or interesting for anyone? Legitimate question. I don't mind seeing the irony (assuming the people are genuine and not pretending not to know). Nidoking should keep doing it, if you dislike it, just ignore him.
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Oct 20, 2013 21:13
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Endorph posted:Hey, is quoting every single person who said anything that turned out to be wrong and going 'neener neener neener' really fun or interesting for anyone? Legitimate question. Not every single person - I'm actually only picking the most ironic (or prophetic) statements that greatly amused me at the time they were posted, and I can't very well draw attention to them until the thread reaches the point where the reason they're ironic has been made clear. I've even deleted a few without quoting them because they didn't seem as interesting at the time. My intention really isn't to say that people shouldn't have said any of these things or that they're wrong for speculating. It's just amusing, and I wanted the people who haven't played the game before to enjoy the speculation as much as I did. It's not so much "neener neener" as "Hey, remember when you thought this? Those sure were some different times."
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Mister Roboto posted:Nidoking should keep doing it, if you dislike it, just ignore him. And to chime in on the topic, I don't think it's a case of "neener-neener you were stupid". Quoting all the misleads and ironic things that people have thought isn't teasing those people, it's holding up the game itself in high regard for the insane number of twists and turns in its writing. I'm sure that every single person who has played the game before has had at least a dozen  moments, and the irony quoting is like a highlight reel of all the different emotions that the audience in general must be going through at that time.
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Oct 20, 2013 21:23
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Endorph posted:Hey, is quoting every single person who said anything that turned out to be wrong and going 'neener neener neener' really fun or interesting for anyone? Legitimate question. You've really misinterpreted the tone of Nidoking's posts if you think what he's doing amounts to "neener neener".
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Oct 20, 2013 21:24
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Fair enough then, I guess? To me it just comes across on the same level as the dudes who 'hint' at the twists or the people who 'speculate' when they're actually just spoiling the game, but whatever. It was just kind of annoying to see it after every single twist in the plot, but if other people like it then keep on keeping on, I suppose.
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Oct 20, 2013 21:27
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Except that's not the case because it's all after the fact, a key difference from your examples. It just saves people the hassle of combing through the thread themselves (and I'm pretty sure there are people who do that, judging from posts in other mystery-based LPs)
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Oct 20, 2013 21:35
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Endorph posted:Hey, is quoting every single person who said anything that turned out to be wrong and going 'neener neener neener' really fun or interesting for anyone? Legitimate question. If he successfully betrays he escapes.
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Oct 20, 2013 21:43
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MonsterEnvy posted:If he successfully betrays he escapes.
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Oct 20, 2013 21:53
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Endorph posted:If he can get to the doors in time. It'd be one hell of an ironic fate to get your points only for K to clothesline you halfway there. I hope everyone also remembers that K has 6 points, so whatever we decide might be moot anyway. Considering he's partnered with 1 BP Alice, the Betray is strong with this pair. Think about it, if we Ally and K successfully betrays that means that Dio might have a big, armoured friend looming over him as he tries to escape. ApplesandOranges fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Oct 20, 2013 |
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Oct 20, 2013 21:56
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I dunno, things might be different if the Axelavir cure gets revealed and smashed. K might just be the kind of guy to knock Dio into next week if he did that.
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Oct 20, 2013 22:01
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ApplesandOranges posted:I hope everyone also remembers that K has 6 points, so whatever we decide might be moot anyway. "You betrayed in the wrong neighborhood, motherfucker."
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Oct 20, 2013 22:01
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Livingtrope posted:Justify yourself. Aside from what everyone else has said and the meta theory that a plain "you did it wrong and died the end" would be more anticlimactic than the alternatives? I could be entirely wrong, but like Phi, Dio's an rear end in a top hat but not necessarily a killer - which is what a betrayal at this point would turn him into. He pretty much has to be bluffing about smashing the bottle - Radical-6 has to be defended against via quarantine, which implies it's infectious, which further implies that without that Axelvir, everyone's going to get it including Dio himself. He's an rear end in a top hat and all, but he's pretty smart and obsessed with self-preservation. I don't think he's a big enough rear end in a top hat to kill everyone including himself out of plain spite. This whole thing is vaguely reminiscent of that bargain between Phi, K, and Dio himself in the first playthrough, where Phi wanted to do an ally-ally bargain but didn't trust Dio enough to think he'd go through with it. Similarly, Dio's probably just figured out the optimum tit-for-tat strategy and thinks that since he betrayed last time, he'll never get anyone to ally with him. It won't get him enough points to exit this time, especially if Sigma betrays, but he'll at least get a reputation for choosing ally sometimes instead of choosing betray always. Going to such backstabby lengths is probably counterintuitive when it comes to building trust, but on the other hand, Dio really really doesn't want to get kicked back down to 4. After all, if he does, it'll take him at least two more rounds through the AB room and that's two more rounds that make it more likely for someone else to get 9 and make a break for it. There's like, a snowball's chance in hell Sigma would go for it if he said he wanted to go for ally-ally, so he's got no choice but to be Dio about it.
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Endorph posted:If he can get to the doors in time. It'd be one hell of an ironic fate to get your points only for K to clothesline you halfway there. He doesn't have to move quickly. Anyone makes a sudden movement towards him and he gets all smashy-smash with the medicine. Given the circumstances I doubt K would manhandle Dio. Even knowing that Dio opening the door and walking out is a death sentence I think the others would be too shocked to act quickly. If he really wanted to ally-ally there are better ways than flimsy blackmail. He's a dick and just proved he isn't altruistic, why would we trust him to be satisfied with 8BP when 9 is within his reach? Say we ally and so does Dio. Everyone lives but we know Dio is a blackmailing dick with 8BP. Whether he surrenders the medicine is up in the air. Say we ally and Dio betrays. We die, Dio has 9BP and uses the medicine as leverage to make everyone else get away from the door as he walks out. Say we betray and Dio allys. Nobody dies and nobody would really blame us except Dio and we get to tell everyone what a blackmailing dick he is. If he smashes the medicine he's a dead man, if he hands it over he just may survive. Say we both betray. Nobody dies and we get to expose Dio for being a blackmailing dick. K wrecks his face and hopefully recovers the medicine intact. Again if he smashes it he's toast. I'd be upset if Quark died but Dio isn't giving us a great set of choices here. We shouldn't be risking Sigma dying so Quark may live.
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