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Ghostpilot posted:I was rewatching the latest OSW Review in which they go into the history of WCW and it got me wondering: who made out the best from the whole WCW fiasco? Many folks made great money while there, but I can't think of anyone that really came out of it especially well aside from maybe DDP, Savage and Hogan (before he lost it all). Nash made a tremendous amount of money there, often doing very little. Goldberg made $3 million per year in 2001 and 2002 doing absolutely nothing and Sting ended up pretty well too.
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Thauros posted:Is there any reason why Guerrero's name was consistently spelled Eddy in WCW and Eddie in WWE? Usual Vince bullshit, wanted to Americanize him.
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jeffersonlives posted:Usual Vince bullshit, wanted to Americanize him. Eddie is more American than Eddy?
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getitoffgetitoff posted:Eddie is more American than Eddy? You are actually trying to make sense of Vince Logic?
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epitasis posted:What are you asking, who made a lot of money? I mean Goldberg made more than DDP, at least. Nash made a shitload. Who was kayfabe protected by the end? Oh sorry, I'd meant financially. I don't think anybody really came out of that looking good. MassRafTer posted:Nash made a tremendous amount of money there, often doing very little. Goldberg made $3 million per year in 2001 and 2002 doing absolutely nothing and Sting ended up pretty well too. Oh yeah, Goldberg slipped my mind for some reason. With Sting and Nash ending up on TNA in recent years I thought that maybe it was due to financial reasons (as there had always been the assertion that Nash was only in it for the money). Thanks!
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Dec 9, 2013 08:13
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Nash never needs to work again. He saved his cash and owns a lot of rental properties. He just likes showing up and making easy money. He also loves the business, despite popular opinion.
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Ghostpilot posted:Oh sorry, I'd meant financially. I don't think anybody really came out of that looking good. Sting gets paid half a million a year to do very little work, he does it because money is cool, but better when he still gets to be lazy. I think Nash is financially secure and either likes making more money, performing or getting out of jobs too much to stop now.
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Also, I meant to link this back when I first saw it, but here are a bunch of pictures of old Survivor Series teams. Kind of a shame that they don't do these anymore. Some of the teams there are  with some that we never actually see.Also provides good perspective at just how enormous Andre the Giant was. Although the unfortunate placement of Greg the Hammer Valentine's guitar conjures some horrible mental images. 
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Ghostpilot posted:I was rewatching the latest OSW Review in which they go into the history of WCW and it got me wondering: who made out the best from the whole WCW fiasco? Many folks made great money while there, but I can't think of anyone that really came out of it especially well aside from maybe DDP, Savage and Hogan (before he lost it all). My opinion only, but I think Jericho probably came out the best. Financially, he got a good deal with WWE to jump ship during the Monday Night War and stuck around for a long time making bank. Kayfabe-wise, he's usually been treated as an upper-tier guy, despite the rough start in WWE. And health-wise, he can still move and hasn't been concussed into mush. He gets to play in his lovely vanity band now, too. Dude's got a pretty great life for a former WCW midcarder.
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Dec 9, 2013 09:06
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Sting has a pretty successful real estate career too, right? I recall a few years back they brought in a celebrity guest for a little bit, a guy who lived in the same city as Sting. When he saw Sting, he recognized him not as Sting, but "Real Estate Steve" from his hometown.
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LividLiquid posted:Nash never needs to work again. He saved his cash and owns a lot of rental properties. He just likes showing up and making easy money. He also loves the business, despite popular opinion. I mean, if there was a business where I could show up, barely do anything, not be very good at the things I DID do, and still make a buttload of money I'm sure I'd love it too.
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LividLiquid posted:Nash never needs to work again. He saved his cash and owns a lot of rental properties. He just likes showing up and making easy money. He also loves the business, despite popular opinion. Yeah, Nash is a pretty smart guy and has all sorts of investments. There was a good interview with him on Grantland last year that went a little bit into his mindset. He's really preoccupied with money (to an almost unhealthy extent), so he takes easy checks when he can get them. quote:Still, it's hard for Kevin Nash to turn down a paycheck. "I'm a Detroit kid who grew up with that assembly line mentality: You go to work to make money," he says. "My wife is like, 'Why do you still wrestle?' If you go to an ATM for a hundred dollars and it keeps spitting twenties, when would you walk away? When it wasn't spitting twenties no more. As long as you can take the money out, you'd stay there. That's what the wrestling business is like."
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Ghostpilot posted:Also, I meant to link this back when I first saw it, but here are a bunch of pictures of old Survivor Series teams. Kind of a shame that they don't do these anymore. Some of the teams there are It's like The Big Boss Man never wore a hat before.
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Scott Hall got millions on his guaranteed deal and wasn't around for huge amounts of time right? I guess he wouldn't get PPV bonuses or whatever but still got a good chunk of merch?
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Dec 9, 2013 16:22
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Is there a consensus on Verne Gagne as a wrestler? I read that Harley Race thought he was poo poo in the ring, but I watched a few of his matches and was very entertained by his style. I remember Jake saying that he didn't like working with Dory Funk Jr. because his style was too slow, and I wonder if it was just a case of Verne not adapting to match the style that was emerging in the television era. (If anyone has anything to say about the evolution from mat wrestling to the kind of brawling style that Race and Flair made famous in the 70s, I'm very interested in that.)
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Schlitzkrieg Bop posted:Yeah, Nash is a pretty smart guy and has all sorts of investments. There was a good interview with him on Grantland last year that went a little bit into his mindset. He's really preoccupied with money (to an almost unhealthy extent), so he takes easy checks when he can get them. Kevin Nash gets wrestling.
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"People pay to see giant superheroes, not 6 foot nothing flippydoos! My best friend is Shawn Michaels!"
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Halloween Jack posted:Is there a consensus on Verne Gagne as a wrestler? I read that Harley Race thought he was poo poo in the ring, but I watched a few of his matches and was very entertained by his style. I remember Jake saying that he didn't like working with Dory Funk Jr. because his style was too slow, and I wonder if it was just a case of Verne not adapting to match the style that was emerging in the television era. Well, he won a literal death match at age 83 
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Joeslop posted:Well, he won a literal death match at age 83 It's funny because Verne has murdered at least half as many humans as Chris Benoit. That's the joke.
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Halloween Jack posted:Is there a consensus on Verne Gagne as a wrestler? I read that Harley Race thought he was poo poo in the ring, but I watched a few of his matches and was very entertained by his style. I remember Jake saying that he didn't like working with Dory Funk Jr. because his style was too slow, and I wonder if it was just a case of Verne not adapting to match the style that was emerging in the television era. This post has really made me want to watch the AWA documentary the WWE put out a little while ago. And I haven't seen much of Verne, to be honest, but I'm interested to see what people think of him. The AWA library has some really cool stuff, and I hope the WWE Network shares a lot of it. I was introduced to it via a pile of tapes as a kid, because of Sgt. Slaughter, whom I knew from GI Joe. It didn't really stick with me until I came back to the tapes in the mid-90s, and loved the Hennig and Martel stuff. They also had some pretty good villains (Bockwinkel, Regal, etc.), too. Looking back, Sarge was a decent brawler, but really, he was perfect as the host of the "Monsters of the Mat" show, or whatever it was called. I also don't see why anybody really liked Larry Zybyszko (or however you spell it), either.
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Has any two wrestlers just gone off script and had an amazing/horrid match on live tv? If so what was the consequence?
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Manwithastick posted:Has any two wrestlers just gone off script and had an amazing/horrid match on live tv? Does HBK vs Hogan count?
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Manwithastick posted:Has any two wrestlers just gone off script and had an amazing/horrid match on live tv? One time Goldberg and Lesnar had a bad match at Mania 20 then quit and the consequence was no one but Cena got pushed well for years.
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Manwithastick posted:Has any two wrestlers just gone off script and had an amazing/horrid match on live tv? Shawn Michaels and John Cena went like 45 minutes on Raw once because Randy Orton, who was scheduled for something on the show, was sent home from the tour for his then-frequent discipline problems. The result was pretty good, if overrated (I can't think of any Michaels/Cena matches that were that good). Great Sasuke and Dirt Bike Kid had a match where DBK was being a huge moron in a variety of ways. So instead of having a match, Sasuke destroyed him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBtTeNoSYro Things like this have happened a few times in Japanese wrestling, which is more shooty. Going off-script is the #1 way to get fired and burn all bridges in a wrestling promotion, so it's not done often.
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Manwithastick posted:Has any two wrestlers just gone off script and had an amazing/horrid match on live tv? Regal's match with Goldberg in WCW comes to mind. He was supposed to get the usual squash treatment, but was uncooperative and stiff during the match. The match didn't really turn out amazing or horrid, just kind of awkward, though you can tell it's not going as planned. Supposedly it's what caused Regal to be fired from WCW, but I don't know if that's actually true or not.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Great Sasuke and Dirt Bike Kid had a match where DBK was being a huge moron in a variety of ways. So instead of having a match, Sasuke destroyed him. Sasuke loving SCARES me. As well as shooting on DBK as demonstrated, the guy seems to have no pain threshold. He's wrestled through a cracked skull TWICE.
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Manwithastick posted:Has any two wrestlers just gone off script and had an amazing/horrid match on live tv? I just know there was a deliberately poo poo match between two cruiserweights in WCW who were told not to wear the crowd out before the main event, but damned if I remember who. I think either Malenko, Eddie, or Jericho was involved. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Dec 9, 2013 |
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Behold Kane and Big Show having an impromptu scientific wrestling match. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjHpnoCag-g
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Dusty Rhodes was fired for telling the Road Warriors to blade him, but that would've been a good match regardless. Dustin Rhodes was fired from WCW for blading in the King of the Road Match with Darsow, but that would've been a poo poo match regardless.
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:Behold Kane and Big Show having an impromptu scientific wrestling match. Jim Ross makes this match by not even attempting to hide his surprise.
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Halloween Jack posted:I just know there was a deliberately poo poo match between two cruiserweights in WCW who were told not to wear the crowd out before the main event, but damned if I remember who. I think either Malenko, Eddie, or Jericho was involved. Masahiro Chono ans Ravishing Rick Rude were told to do this to not make the main event look bad, so they went out and had one of the worst matches in history. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16t5tm_masahiro-chono-vs-ravishing-rick-rude-nwa-title-part-1_sport
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Remember the Wrestlemania song that was used throughout the 90s? Is there any reason why Mean Gene and Piper are yelling about the Survivor Series at the beginning?
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:Masahiro Chono ans Ravishing Rick Rude were told to do this to not make the main event look bad, so they went out and had one of the worst matches in history. Schlitzkrieg Bop posted:Regal's match with Goldberg in WCW comes to mind. He was supposed to get the usual squash treatment, but was uncooperative and stiff during the match. The match didn't really turn out amazing or horrid, just kind of awkward, though you can tell it's not going as planned. Supposedly it's what caused Regal to be fired from WCW, but I don't know if that's actually true or not.
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Manwithastick posted:Has any two wrestlers just gone off script and had an amazing/horrid match on live tv? So, at SuperBrawl V, Paul Roma and Alex Wright were slotted in the opening match. Roma was Roma, at this point, after having already failed as a Horseman, and doing ... not... awful in a tag team with Paul Ordorff ('Pretty Wonderful'). Wright was new, and WCW wanted to give him a shot. So, the plan was for Roma to make Wright look good. Instead, Roma dragged him through the match, and did everything he could to make himself look good, and make Wright look like crap. He kicked out of everything, not even giving Wright a one-count. Finally, Orndorff had a "meeting" with Roma outside the ring, Roma got back in, and got rolled up by Wright to end the thing. Roma was fired soon after, although, Wright and some other people have denied it was for that match (It was probably because Paul Roma is a huge moron, and that wasn't his first offense). Roma got a tryout match with the WWF several years later, but he blew that by doing something stupid I can't remember.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Remember the Wrestlemania song that was used throughout the 90s? Is there any reason why Mean Gene and Piper are yelling about the Survivor Series at the beginning? If that's the one off Wrestlemania: The Album, it's because it was produced by Simon Cowell and some other Brits who didn't know anything about wrestling. They were given a list of WWF terms or something, and just threw poo poo together from there. Why no-one spoke up or adjusted anything... well that's a question I can't answer.
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triplexpac posted:If that's the one off Wrestlemania: The Album, it's because it was produced by Simon Cowell and some other Brits who didn't know anything about wrestling. They were given a list of WWF terms or something, and just threw poo poo together from there. Yeah, it's only on the actual album. Anytime they played it at a Wrestlemania or in segments leading up to one, they cut that part out. That album is one of the most wonderful things wrestling has ever produced. My personal favorite would have to be "Speaking from the Heart" by Macho Man. "The tower of power, too sweet to be sour, funky like a monkey, OOOOOOOOOHHH YEEEEEEEEAAAAHH!!"
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Tatanka's song was some of the most  songwriting I've ever heard, topped off by the fact that they titled it "Tatanka Native American".
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Diabolik900 posted:Tatanka's song was some of the most That's the one that goes "TATANKA! BUFFALO! TATANKA! BUFFALO! TATANKA! BUFFALO! TATANKA! BUFFALO!" followed by "I've got Native American blood in my veins and I fight! In the World Wrestling Federation!" Repeat, repeat. And that's it.
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Wasn't "I wanna be a Hulkamaniac" on that album? Cause that song is garbage. Not even fun garbage like Real American or literal perfection like Grab Them Cakes.
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