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moths posted:I'm just asking if there's some esoteric reason to think that the finale won't be the steaming shitpile it looks like from the spoilers. Almost every Doctor Who episode, hell Doctor Who almost as a whole, sounds like a steaming shitpile if you just explain it in a couple quick paragraphs. That's very nearly the point of the thing, to me, that what should very well fail to work manages to pull together to be entertaining.
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Dec 13, 2013 05:39
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:Almost every Doctor Who episode, hell Doctor Who almost as a whole, sounds like a steaming shitpile if you just explain it in a couple quick paragraphs. That's very nearly the point of the thing, to me, that what should very well fail to work manages to pull together to be entertaining. Statues that only move when you're not looking at them grab you and drag you to 1966. Yup. Even good episodes sound dumb when boiled down to fragmentary plot points. But it's very in right now for Goons to poo poo on Moffat, so they'll hate on it before it's even aired. It's very unlikely to be worse than the Master eating people and making GBS threads lightning.
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Dec 13, 2013 06:07
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Mortanis posted:Statues that only move when you're not looking at them grab you and drag you to 1966. So we are not going to get a recap of the episode 20 minutes in 
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Dec 13, 2013 06:09
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Ben Soosneb posted:It's baTTle. There are T's in that word. Fucks sake. i think the line is "time for one last bow"
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Dec 13, 2013 06:25
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Mortanis posted:Statues that only move when you're not looking at them grab you and drag you to 1966. Giant rolling pepper pots that kill you while screaming about it. Robots that just really, really want you inside them. Hell, how stupid Doctor Who sounds on the outside is a big part of why I put off getting into it for so long. I don't regret it, but determining the quality of episode of this show based on a summary alone doesn't work. I'm surprised Moffat doesn't at least have a little good will saved up still from the 50th, as that seems to be generally well liked even a few weeks out.
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Dec 13, 2013 07:10
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Mortanis posted:It's very unlikely to be worse than the Master eating people and making GBS threads lightning. So it's gotten to the point where "it probably won't be as bad as End of Time Part 1" = "good enough".
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Dec 13, 2013 07:22
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:Giant rolling pepper pots that kill you while screaming about it. A bunch of very old men bicker with each other while they try to save the world from shapeshifters.
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Dec 13, 2013 07:57
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BrooklynBruiser posted:A bunch of very old men bicker with each other while they try to save the world from shapeshifters. While I get the reference, it reminds me of a very special episode I enjoyed in a dream where J.K. Simmons played the Master opposite Capaldi, guest starring R. Lee Ermey as some other Time Lord (The Gunny?), that was basically just an hour of three old men yelling obscenities at each other.
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Dec 13, 2013 08:05
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:While I get the reference, it reminds me of a very special episode I enjoyed in a dream where J.K. Simmons played the Master opposite Capaldi, guest starring R. Lee Ermey as some other Time Lord (The Gunny?), that was basically just an hour of three old men yelling obscenities at each other. Was he trying to make him his prag? 
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Dec 13, 2013 08:12
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Big Mean Jerk posted:How has this not been posted? What about the photo of the Daleks, and behind them there appears to be a giant Dalek gun on tank treads?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:How has this not been posted? Those alcoves have several cubic feet of unused space, highly inefficient, rectify. 
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Dec 13, 2013 11:31
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Whenever I see Cyberman or Dalek facilities I get a really strong urge to see the architects and construction crews at work building them. How does a Dalek even build things?
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Dec 13, 2013 11:54
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Senor Tron posted:Whenever I see Cyberman or Dalek facilities I get a really strong urge to see the architects and construction crews at work building them. How does a Dalek even build things? Slave labor.
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Dec 13, 2013 12:01
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moths posted:I'm just asking if there's some esoteric reason to think that the finale won't be the steaming shitpile it looks like from the spoilers. I, too, enjoy passing my judgement on entertainment in any medium that I have not viewed. That shot of Cybermen in stasis looks so similar to the setup in Tomb
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Dec 13, 2013 16:18
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Theres nothing in those spoilers that sound inherently bad to me anyway. And the idea of the Doctor spending several centuries fighting his greatest foes and losing his leg in the process sounds loving badass to me. Plus you know that Matt Smith is going to nail every bit of this.
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Dec 13, 2013 16:49
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Chairman Capone posted:So it's gotten to the point where "it probably won't be as bad as End of Time Part 1" = "good enough". I'll just quote myself from earlier in the thread when the spoilers leaked: Mortanis posted:I watched The Master eat people and shoot lightning at Timothy Dalton as he stood on a sound stage and wasted his vast potential. I enjoyed that episode. We're not even a month from one of the best things Moffat has put out in Doctor Who, but somehow the Christmas special is going to be unmitigated poo poo based on some spoilers. Who Fandom is godawful.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:08
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Things can be judged independently of themselves. It's great that the Anniversary Special was good, but that doesn't mean anything either way for the Christmas special. It isn't anything exclusive to the Doctor Who fandom. I hope it's a good story because regeneration stories tend to be good in my opinion, but I thought Series 7 was bad so my faith is tepid at best where the Anniversary Special is the lone good blimp surrounded by badness. Also, I don't know if people have talked about it - but Series 8 will air in August of next year without interruption.
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Dec 13, 2013 17:20
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Anyone even vaguely familiar with the pro-wrestling spoiler thread will know that episode recaps are often phoned in by people who are barely paying attention, misconstrue important elements and get others just plain wrong. An episode of Smackdown that looks utter poo poo on paper often turns out to be pretty good. I'm hoping that the special only sounds awful because it's filtered through to us by a person willing to spoil Doctor Who in the first place. 
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Dec 13, 2013 17:39
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Umbra Dubium posted:pro-wrestling spoiler thread There are people interested in spoilers for something with stories written more poorly than porn? Here's my exclusive spoiler: someone will do something that will offend another person and then they will fight about it.
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Dec 13, 2013 18:12
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Karki posted:There are people interested in spoilers for something with stories written more poorly than porn? Here's my exclusive spoiler: someone will do something that will offend another person and then they will fight about it. The show is recorded on a Tuesday night and is aired on the Friday night. People like knowing what's going to happen before it happens, even in fake fighting.
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Dec 13, 2013 19:23
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Senor Tron posted:Whenever I see Cyberman or Dalek facilities I get a really strong urge to see the architects and construction crews at work building them. How does a Dalek even build things? By screaming at the materials until they recognize Dalek superiority and assemble themselves into the desired shape.
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Dec 13, 2013 19:23
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Mortanis posted:I'll just quote myself from earlier in the thread when the spoilers leaked: One of the main reasons the 50th was so good is that it avoided all the Moffat Masterplan bollocks that has been so bad lately. The Christmas episode, on the other hand, is going to be all about that poo poo. The silence and all that. Trenzalore. It's Moffat's last chance to resolve all that nonsense before Matt Smith leaves and he only has one episode to do it in. There's pretty much no way it can be good.
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Dec 13, 2013 19:30
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The War Doctor and his actions and identity weren't part of a puzzle plot? The Silence isn't cool? News to me. really, no one likes a naggin' negative nancy. If you just keep saying "this is the saddest stinkiest poo poo" after every update without qualification as if it's something so obvious everyone should agree with you, then all you're going to do is annoy people, really. Not everyone hates Moffat's guts out even if the seventh season's been VERY disappointing.
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Rita Repulsa posted:The War Doctor and his actions and identity weren't part of a puzzle plot? It's not connected with the whole Trenzalore/ Silence/ Doctor Who?????? shite that has dominated the Smith era, no. It's obviously setting up a new 'find Gallifrey' story for Capaldi. Rita Repulsa posted:The Silence isn't cool? No the Silence aren't cool. Rita Repulsa posted:really, no one likes a naggin' negative nancy. If you just keep saying "this is the saddest stinkiest poo poo" after every update without qualification as if it's something so obvious everyone should agree with you, then all you're going to do is annoy people, really. Not everyone hates Moffat's guts out even if the seventh season's been VERY disappointing. You disagree that this episode looks to be a continuation of the same series 7 plot that you agree has been VERY disappointing?
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marktheando posted:You disagree that this episode looks to be a continuation of the same series 7 plot that you agree has been VERY disappointing? Not saying that, just saying that posting "this SUX" every update without qualifying what the problem is is kind of annoying. I'm reserving judgement for the most part. I only skimmed the outline, sounds alright. There were parts of season 7 I liked. There were concepts that worked on their own like the Crimson Horror, or at least parts of flawed episodes that were a lot of fun like Matt Smith's Cyberplanner. And I liked the Silence episodes of season 6 except for the shoehorned amy rory drama, I liked the Good Man Goes to War, the entire Silence plot was pretty good until Let's Kill Hitler. This episode doesn't have any amy-rory drama or the kids Clara was babysitting hence it will probably be at least okay.
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Rita Repulsa posted:Not saying that, just saying that posting "this SUX" every update without qualifying what the problem is is kind of annoying. There episodes in series 7 I liked as well (Cold War, Hide, Journey to the Centre of the Tardis, Town Called Mercy, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship), I'm referring to the ongoing Silence Will Fall/Trenzalore plot only here. And I didn't think it was too necessary to go into what the specific problems with it are, since that has been gone over at length in this thread and the other thread.
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marktheando posted:There episodes in series 7 I liked as well (Cold War, Hide, Journey to the Centre of the Tardis, Town Called Mercy, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship), I'm referring to the ongoing Silence Will Fall/Trenzalore plot only here. And I didn't think it was too necessary to go into what the specific problems with it are, since that has been gone over at length in this thread and the other thread. Has it occured to you that it may suck less or even be good when we finally find out what it was all about?
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Super.Jesus posted:Has it occured to you that it may suck less or even be good when we finally find out what it was all about? I'm as big a defender of the wait-and-see approach to each episode as anyone but let's not say things we can't take back. There is approximately an icecube's chance in hell of Moffat writing a satisfying conclusion to the Silence arc considering his track record of setting up big very important issues and then resolving them with anticlimax.
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Dice Dingus posted:I'm as big a defender of the wait-and-see approach to each episode as anyone but let's not say things we can't take back. There is approximately an icecube's chance in hell of Moffat writing a satisfying conclusion to the Silence arc considering his track record of setting up big very important issues and then resolving them with anticlimax. "He was a robot all along! The Doctor lies!"
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So this leaked outline seems to be pretty accurate and I have to say, I am really not looking forward to this. Even for an outline, the concept is pretty weak and I don't trust Moffat to fill in the blanks, particularly to give us a compelling reasons to why all his enemies team up yet again to attack this one little town. I am also not a fan of backing the hero in a corner with no possibility to win, only to then get him out of it with a deus ex machina. All in all, this reminds me a lot of End of Time in terms of themes, mainly trying to force the awesomeness of the Doctor on us. It's generally a problem of new who, primarily since Moffat took over, that I often have the feeling that they are telling us how incredible amazing the Doctor is instead of showing it to us. More so under Moffat because of his tendency to resolve his build-ups somewhat anticlimactically. edit: And before anybody starts another pointless debate over the exact definition of deus ex machina, what I mean here is simply an outside force that shows up and saves the heroes rear end out of what has been build up to be an utterly hopeless situation otherwise. e X fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Dec 15, 2013 |
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Dice Dingus posted:I'm as big a defender of the wait-and-see approach to each episode as anyone but let's not say things we can't take back. There is approximately an icecube's chance in hell of Moffat writing a satisfying conclusion to the Silence arc considering his track record of setting up big very important issues and then resolving them with anticlimax. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT RIVER AND GETTING HER BACK? Oh hey remember that wacky best friend who's totes been around Amy and Rory foreves and is just so wacky and they talk about her all the time and named their daughter after her and gets into SO MUCH TROUBLE and is even more obsessed with the DOctor and has been friends foreves? No? You don't? Because she didn't exist until this episode? Well she's River. SHOCKINGTWISTSECUREDSOCLEVER
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Burkion posted:WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT RIVER AND GETTING HER BACK? I can't see Moffat not getting River out of the Library computer before his showrunner tenure is up. Probably through an initially unassociated story which enables creating flesh bodies for digital programs or someshit. twoot fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Dec 15, 2013 |
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twoot posted:I can't see Moffat not getting River out of the Library computer before his showrunner tenure is up. She's already appeared once as a transmitted digital avatar or some such. I'm really not sure what here appearance in Name of the Doctor is supposed to represent.
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twoot posted:Probably through an initially unassociated story which enables creating flesh bodies for digital programs or someshit. Basically exactly what they did with the Flesh and dopple-Amy and the gangers from that episode. Although more likely he's just lost interest in River stories since we're all supposed to give shits about this season's current version of impossible girl Claire.
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Super.Jesus posted:Has it occured to you that it may suck less or even be good when we finally find out what it was all about? That would be nice, but the chances for goodness are looking very slim right now. Especially if those spoilers are accurate, which seems likely. moths posted:Basically exactly what they did with the Flesh and dopple-Amy and the gangers from that episode. Although more likely he's just lost interest in River stories since we're all supposed to give shits about this season's current version of impossible girl Claire. I wish I could share your River optimism.
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So am I the only person who read those spoilers and went "actually that sounds loving awesome"? I mean, aside from the AND THEN HE REGENERATES AFTER ALL FOR REASONS AND ALSO A MYSTERIOUS WOMAN IS INVOLVED bit, but it is Moffat, so.
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Don't really have a good way to do this, but hey, Neddy Seagoon, you probably read this thread and you're posting spoilers in the main thread, probably by accident. You should probably stop and edit out the ones you've already posted, or we'll have to deal with another multipage argument about spoilers, which sounds just miserably tedious.docbeard posted:So am I the only person who read those spoilers and went "actually that sounds loving awesome"? The last couple of pages are people who agree with you and are being weirdly aggressive about it, so YANA
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Fungah! posted:Don't really have a good way to do this, but hey, Neddy Seagoon, you probably read this thread and you're posting spoilers in the main thread, probably by accident. You should probably stop and edit out the ones you've already posted, or we'll have to deal with another multipage argument about spoilers, which sounds just miserably tedious. I assume someone has PMed him already? I can if not, and if we think we should, before someone just up and reports him instead. I'd hate to see him get in poo poo over what's probably an innocent mistake, given how easy it is to get the two threads mixed up.
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