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Placid Marmot
Apr 28, 2013

TinTower posted:

I'm surprised Welsh is so high for Britain; I would've thought it would be Polish or Urdu.


Yes, I've just checked the 2011 census:
  1. Welsh: 562,000
  2. Polish: 546,000
  3. Punjabi: 273,000
  4. Urdu: 269,000
  5. Bengali: 221,000
  6. Gujarati: 213,000

The figure for Welsh is the number of people who claim to be able to speak Welsh, not the number of people with Welsh as a first language; it's possible to learn Welsh as a second language (and it's compulsory to learn in publicly-funded school in Wales), but it's somewhat harder to lose the ability to speak what was your first language, so the true figure for first-language-Welsh-speakers must be lower than 562,000. Only 431,000 of these people claim to be able to speak, read and write Welsh, which again, is likely to be more than the number for whom it's their first language.
Given that there are 300,000-400,000 French people living in the UK (almost all of them French-first-language) and that French is not listed in your table, I would not trust the census to determine the true figures for this discussion.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18234930

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Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

There he go

3peat posted:

As a Balkans resident, and thus an expert on the subject, I can tell you the answer is: more clay=better

U r dirt romain gypsy, not balkan, :frogout:

(Where the gently caress did clay come from again? Is it just a Paradox forums thing?)

fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!


I think it is from that Serbian Tupac video.

And Romanians aren't from Balkans, stay out of our clay. :tito:

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Man Russia has a gently caress-ton of permafrost, jesus.



Speaking about the border of Russia and China, I find it neat how virtually their entire shared border follows the path of a river/series of rivers. Makes a handy border, and was something I found just by closely looking at maps once. And while I was looking at said rivers, I noticed that there was a Russian province called the "Jewish Autonomous Oblast", which borders China. Here is an amusing image which shows the location as well as the coat of arms and (rainbow) flag of the province:



Turns out there is an interesting Jewish history in Manchuria as well, though I haven't looked into the details there.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
I guess Stalin wanted to create a territory for Soviet Jews so that less of them would want to run off to Palestine. Apparently, it's less than 1% Jewish nowadays, so it wasn't a shining success.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Lycus posted:

I guess Stalin wanted to create a territory for Soviet Jews so that less of them would want to run off to Palestine. Apparently, it's less than 1% Jewish nowadays, so it wasn't a shining success.

Mainly because the location of the Jewish oblast is literally this:

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I'm not sure an ecosystem consisting entirely of mosquitoes is gonna make up for those.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

DrSunshine posted:

Siberia does have vast quantities of natural resources, but I've heard that it's tremendously, prohibitively expensive to develop and extract there because of the harsh climate and landscape. So much so that the opportunity cost for not developing Siberia is relatively low compared to the cost of prospecting it. I'm no expert on Russian economic development or geography, though, so can anyone confirm/refute that?

Other posters already conveyed the gist of it, but the problem is that seasonal expansion and contraction of the soil over permafrost destroys permanent structures, including roads. Unpaved roads turn into rivers of mud, and paved roads last maybe 2 years before they're unusable even by the most rugged road vehicles. You can find pictures of Siberian highway that's heaved into big piles of asphalt rubble. That's why Siberia is so hard to exploit.

3peat
May 6, 2010

Disco Infiva posted:

I think it is from that Serbian Tupac video.

And Romanians aren't from Balkans, stay out of our clay. :tito:

ACTUALLY, I live in Dobrogea, the only part of Romania that's officially part of the Balkans (it's on the other side of the Danube, which is the Balkan area border)

Whorelord
May 1, 2013

Jump into the well...



Map of countries by cannabis use by percentage of the population.

Guessing there's ritual significance for the high rates in Papua New Guinea and Ghana?

Found it somewhat amusing at least :P

Hedera Helix
Sep 2, 2011

The laws of the fiesta mean nothing!

Whorelord posted:



Map of countries by cannabis use by percentage of the population.

Guessing there's ritual significance for the high rates in Papua New Guinea and Ghana?

Found it somewhat amusing at least :P

The percentages in the Caribbean seem awfully low...

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

New Guinea :stare:

Time Magazine posted:

It is also hard to stop people smoking. As a social phenomenon, marijuana is relatively new to P.N.G., yet it has taken a firm hold. "It's only been like this in the past four or five years: marijuana came first, then the home brew," says police Supt. Leo Kabilo, who is based at Wewak, on the country's north coast. A U.N.-sponsored study in 1999 found that cannabis was the "illicit drug of greatest concern" in P.N.G. Whether on the streets of the capital, Port Moresby, or in a rural town, spak brus, "tobacco that makes you drunk," is not difficult to find. A "roll," a homemade cigarette weighing less than a gram, costs 6� in a village, 15� in a town, and up to 60� in Port Moresby.

In the Eastern Highlands village of Numuzafove, the community recently decided that action was needed. A dozen teenagers and young men whom elders thought were smoking excessively were forced to live for a month in a circular hut in the heart of the village. "We make them talk about their problem together. It will help them smoke no more," says villager Paul Kompri. On the last day of their segregation, Feb. 3, everyone in the clan area came to counsel the young men before sharing a mumu (a meal roasted on hot stones in an earth oven). "This process is very hard for them; after this they will not smoke," Kompri says. Will the plants be destroyed? "Oh, no, we need those," replies another man, tending the cooking pit.


Read more: Savage Harvest In Papua New Guinea, marijuana brings in not just cash but guns. From highlands to coast, time penetrates the world of growers, warriors, police and traffickers - TIME http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2047527,00.html#ixzz2nftrqVjA

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Whorelord posted:

Guessing there's ritual significance for the high rates in Papua New Guinea and Ghana?

Orientalism, ladies and gentlemen.

Whorelord
May 1, 2013

Jump into the well...



Literally me, not gonna lie.

EDIT: Admittedly it was a really dumb thing to say. Not going to edit it out though, so future generations can revel in my idiotness.

Whorelord fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Dec 17, 2013

Mu Cow
Oct 26, 2003

Someone posted this in one of the Paradox LPs http://www.jasondavies.com/maps/transition/

It shows different types of world map projections and lets you move stuff around. I'm having fun trying to make the least practical maps possible.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July
What good is projecting to Goode Homolosine if it won't add the splits in the right places :colbert:

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won

Mu Cow posted:

Someone posted this in one of the Paradox LPs http://www.jasondavies.com/maps/transition/

It shows different types of world map projections and lets you move stuff around. I'm having fun trying to make the least practical maps possible.

No Waterman butterfly projection :qq:

Content: Potential nuclear targets in the United States (Source: Natural Resources Defense Council, FEMA and Medicine and Global Survival(?)


The key is small, so:
Black dot: Target in a 2000 warhead scenario
Purple triangle: Target in a 600 warhead scenario
Red asterisk: State capital
Red square: City

As someone who's not American, can someone clarify what the 2000-warhead targets in North Dakota, Montana and around Cheyenne are? US missile silos? And then I suppose the other black dots are generally just major cities, military placements and the like?

The Narrator fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Dec 17, 2013

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

The Narrator posted:

As someone who's not American, can someone clarify what the 2000-warhead targets in North Dakota, Montana and around Cheyenne are? US missile silos? And then I suppose the other black dots are generally just major cities, military placements and the like?

Yeah, missile silos. And the three dots just south of Denver is Cheyenne Mountain, with NORAD HQ.


I like the very clear division between the 2000 warhead first strike scenario, and the 600 warhead gently caress You retaliatory strike.

PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Dec 17, 2013

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Only three at NORAD HQ? It would survive three hits.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

It would probably survive 50 hits, and by the time the warheads hit it it would already have done it's job. The three that are there are probably more intended for the personnel at the adjacent military base really.

Numerical Anxiety
Sep 2, 2011

Hello.
What's the spot on the Canadian border with Idaho?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

The Narrator posted:

No Waterman butterfly projection :qq:

Content: Potential nuclear targets in the United States (Source: Natural Resources Defense Council, FEMA and Medicine and Global Survival(?)


The key is small, so:
Black dot: Target in a 2000 warhead scenario
Purple triangle: Target in a 600 warhead scenario
Red asterisk: State capital
Red square: City

As someone who's not American, can someone clarify what the 2000-warhead targets in North Dakota, Montana and around Cheyenne are? US missile silos? And then I suppose the other black dots are generally just major cities, military placements and the like?

Would there be one that includes the rest of the US and Canada?

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won

Lawman 0 posted:

Would there be one that includes the rest of the US and Canada?

Google isn't being helpful with the keywords I'm trying and the page I found it on doesn't appear to have anything similar, sorry I can't be more help! As a consolation, here's a link to some page where nuclear-war survivalists across the US and Canada can organise their apocalypse plans!

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
Nobody gives enough of a crap about you to nuke you too much, Idaho.

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
I'm trying to figure out what the triangle in southern Oregon is. They ignore Eugene but hit Medford?

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won

Javid posted:

I'm trying to figure out what the triangle in southern Oregon is. They ignore Eugene but hit Medford?

Google says there's a National Guard, Medford Armory and a US Navy Reserve center in the area. Not sure why it's part of a 600-missile strike but there you go.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Numerical Anxiety posted:

What's the spot on the Canadian border with Idaho?

There's a lake there where they test nuclear submarines iirc.

Actually, the one I'm thinking of is here but there is a lake there so maybe they do some of that over there as well.

fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!


Why aren't there a million nukes in Nevada? We don't want to anger the aliens, isn't it :ohdear:

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Lycus posted:

Nobody gives enough of a crap about you to nuke you too much, Idaho.

If I'm reading that map right, everyone in Idaho basically lives in one place anyway?

Soviets really hated Montana though. :stare:

TheBalor
Jun 18, 2001
Ahh, good to see my hometown targeted for a strike. Bumfuck nothing, except for a large titanium/rare metals refinery.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

DarkCrawler posted:

If I'm reading that map right, everyone in Idaho basically lives in one place anyway?

Half of the state (~620k) lives in the Boise Metropolitan area, which is where the triangle is. The one black dot that's on the Canadian Washington border is Moscow, ID, which is home to the University of Idaho and about 25,000 people. Everywhere else is pretty much empty or have really small towns, and actually Idaho is one of the most urbanized states because of this (where urbanized = "has more people living in city/metro areas").

Here's a map circa 2010:



As you can see, the only areas they're really missing are Idaho Falls (the red splotch farthest east) and Pocatello (the red splotch below Idaho Falls), which have a combined population of ~100,000 (metro area's about 240k but you get the idea).

computer parts fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Dec 17, 2013

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

DarkCrawler posted:

Americans-pretending-to-be-Soviets really hated Montana though. :stare:
I don't think either side has ever given out their targeting plans, so they're all based on how the target portrayed on the map would act.

Flappy Bert
Dec 11, 2011

I have seen the light, and it is a string


DarkCrawler posted:

If I'm reading that map right, everyone in Idaho basically lives in one place anyway?

The small towns in Idaho where the people who don't live in the one place live are truly something miserable.

Pope Hilarius II
Nov 10, 2008

DarkCrawler posted:

Soviets really hated Montana though. :stare:

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

DerLeo posted:

The small towns in Idaho where the people who don't live in the one place live are truly something miserable.

Some of them have a sense of humor though:



Yes, that is a monument solely dedicated to a sub whose number was 666.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.


Best and worst drivers by state.

The lighter colored the state, the better the drivers. Vermont has the best, Louisiana has the worst.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2524438/Hell-wheels-The-state-Americas-worst-drivers-revealed.html

It's interesting, because living in the northeast (VT :smug:), I hear most often is that MA drivers (Massholes) and NJ drivers are the worst, yet that's not even remotely true.

I suspect that the instances of DUI's are what drive lot of states up.

Hambilderberglar
Dec 2, 2004

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I don't think either side has ever given out their targeting plans, so they're all based on how the target portrayed on the map would act.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/26/russia.poland I came across this when I was looking for

I'm not sure if they are the same source but it's one of the only maps I've seen that shows where the USSR believed NATO would nuke.

Farecoal
Oct 15, 2011

There he go

Mu Cow posted:

Someone posted this in one of the Paradox LPs http://www.jasondavies.com/maps/transition/

It shows different types of world map projections and lets you move stuff around. I'm having fun trying to make the least practical maps possible.

It freaks out if you go from Mercator to Miller while paused

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Swan Curry posted:

Sorry to drag this up from the last page,but I just wanted to show something.See that small part of the west of Ireland?That's the area that was hit the hardest by the Great Famine.Between 1 million deaths and the emigration of around 1 million more,the country's population dropped by a quarter in around five years.The majority of the people who died were Irish speakers,part of why Irish is dying nowadays.

Many people think that there was no food in Ireland at the time,but they're incorrect.The potato crop had failed,but there was still cattle and grain,among other crops.However,they were brought to Britain and sold there.If the food had stayed in Ireland,it's quite possible that no one would have starved.

Anyway,that's my diatribe over,here's a map!

In addition to that, the population of Ireland continued to drop due to emigration for over a century after: there are still two million fewer people living in Ireland than there were in 1841, and the countryside is still dotted with the stone walls of little old houses uninhabited since the 1840s.

Though one clarification I do need to make is that the relatively uninhabited areas of western Ireland aren't that way because of this so much because of lingering effects of the famine, as they are because they're largely uninhabitable stretches of patchy grass and moss spread out over nearly bare rock. You can raise some sheep, but the only reason any numbers of people tried to live or farm there in the 1840s was overpopulation, desperate poverty, and people driven west since that part of the country was last to fall firmly under British control.

It's even more fun out on some of the islands, where what soil there is was literally created by settlers hauling sand and seaweed up from the beach to spread onto the rock.

Similarly, I gather there's a lot of marginal land in Scandinavia or other northern areas that hasn't been farmed since the Black Death: it was only farmed because land demand was so high, and the literal centuries the population took to recover coupled with climate change and improved farming methods meant no one ever wanted it again.

Action-Man
Aug 12, 2007

Adventure Time
come on grab your friends

DrBouvenstein posted:



Best and worst drivers by state.

The lighter colored the state, the better the drivers. Vermont has the best, Louisiana has the worst.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2524438/Hell-wheels-The-state-Americas-worst-drivers-revealed.html

It's interesting, because living in the northeast (VT :smug:), I hear most often is that MA drivers (Massholes) and NJ drivers are the worst, yet that's not even remotely true.

I suspect that the instances of DUI's are what drive lot of states up.

The correct answer is DC. DC has the worst drivers. Since moving here, I've seen poo poo that'll turn you white.

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DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

DerLeo posted:

The small towns in Idaho where the people who don't live in the one place live are truly something miserable.

So basically nuke them, don't nuke them...people wouldn't find a difference anyway, so might as well spend the nukes on someone not living in third world conditions?

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