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Man, I don't need all this destiny nonsense I just wanna focus on collecting these foreskins in the coming year and getting my marriage on. I'm gonna go shoot some archerys now, later.
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Should we ask her why we can't make poo?
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Dec 19, 2013 17:41
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"You would leave if I did not renounce all I have been taught, after five minutes of conversation? Is there no way you might stay, and allow me to consider your words?"
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Dec 19, 2013 17:43
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1. E. Ask her poop questions.
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Dec 19, 2013 17:44
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Neraren posted:"You would leave if I did not renounce all I have been taught, after five minutes of conversation? Is there no way you might stay, and allow me to consider your words?" Took the words out of my mouth. Ask this x 1000. Edit: Also, for good measure, "Who ARE you?"
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Dec 19, 2013 17:45
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This got omnious fast, I cant quite decide wether she is possibly an angel, or if she's a demon and a lot of the failed adventurers are merely sacrifices to fuel her powers.. edit: We should go outside and run head first into a wall, if we get another concussion perhaps we'll be lucky and get another conversation going with Azzazzel\Uncle Jorah and if we can keep them from fighting for a minute get a proper reply to wether or not this is just a trap or the truth™ Daned fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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Dec 19, 2013 17:57
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HiHo ChiRho posted:Wait, if we don't agree right loving now, she goes away? Sounds like it. Now Selling Bareen's Magical All Your Deepest Desires are at Your Fingertips! Fame! Fortune! Truth! And Much Much More! And All at No Cost to You!* But You Must BUY NOW! NOW NOW NOW! *cost is actually 1 soul, payment due COD Dammit, why does the one strong female character have to be so greasy?  That being said, ask her: 1) What a grigori is 2) Who is Ashera? 3) What Melachim do you claim to communicate with. Are they any you believe I have spoken with? 4) If it wasn't El, who devoured my offerings in flame in the Temple of El? 5) Who are They Who Watch? 6) Who exactly are the Ophanim, and why have they chosen you as their spokesperson? Ask Snarls if her smell has changed now that she's shifted forms a bit. Since she apparently actually does know our doings, I'm less concerned about laying our cards on the table as much now.'
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Dec 19, 2013 18:06
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E Get the gently caress out of the temple and tell Ishmael and Tudiya that she is some demon, El is obviously the mightier of the gods since he have an entire civilization following him while the Melachim sucks.
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Dec 19, 2013 18:07
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Question for Bareen: "On my trial, I made a sacrifice of a jackal to El; the flames that consumed this sacrifice were brighter and higher than I've seen in any temple. How can a lie consume a side of meat?"
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Dec 19, 2013 18:13
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1C. I was going to propose a write-in vote where we do the 'build two alters and see which one of us actually has his sacrifice accepted' thing, but apparently this is not necessary seeing how she'll leave all on her own if we just ignore her long enough. Question: "Those who make personal sacrifices to El will have their offerings accepted by means of a large, apparently spontaneously generated, pillar of flame. I saw you control the flames at your temple's altar. Have your 'gods' ever accepted offerings that you didn't have to immolate yourself first?"
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Having power is one thing. How we use it another. If I were to follow your path to great power, what would you have me do with it?
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Dec 19, 2013 18:31
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jng2058 posted:Having power is one thing. How we use it another. If I were to follow your path to great power, what would you have me do with it? Great responsibility, obviously. Wait... great power, great responsibility? El as a super being? Is this game a metaphor for DC/Marvel tensions over hypermasculinity in art in the 90s (LIEFIELD!) (I'll show myself out now)
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Dec 19, 2013 18:34
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If she leaves, she will take her followers with her. We should convert these people back to El before she leaves. I hope it takes her some time to pack. Also, I don't think questioning Bareen will do much to help us convert people. She will weasel her way out and her responses will only provide her followers with excuses. I am still in favor of talking to Ishamal about methods of saving this people. I like the sacrifice challenge idea. How else could we show them Bareen is wrong? QUESTION FOR OUR MEMORY: Have we ever seen Bareen in moonlight? Has anyone seen her in moonlight? I ask because moonlight has revealed the true appearance of things under illusion--our sandals and the snake women. Deadly Ham Sandwich fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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Dec 19, 2013 18:35
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1. B Also: Reminder, guys: We've sworn to not attempt to use magic for some years more so that we'll be ready, and can reasonably expect Ishamal to teach us at least teach us something come that time. Perhaps Tudiya, too, faced with our obvious Might. Such rash action is unnecessary. As you promise not to share what you claim are my secrets, I shall not speak of what I see as yours. But if it is so important to you that I learn, then you must teach me without demanding we turn our back on all the good Tudiya has done for us. Otherwise we are forced to conclude that you have ulterior motives. How can you claim that El isn't real when sacrifices to El burn?
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I really don't like this hard-sell. So, my question would be: Why should the powers concern themselves with hastily given oaths? If their goals are good we can serve without an oath. If their ends are not good, they are not worth serving. I'm generally anti-one-god. I think the El religion is obviously wrong/incomplete. At the same time, the oaths/sacrifices aren't that unreasonable. There are clear reasons for the big rules. And the offerings amount to 'do stuff to help others', not 'burn cow: El hungers' or 'praise El, for he is insecure.' My second question would be: If the Melachim wanted us to have powers, why wouldn't they simply teach us themselves? This seems like a non-trivial point to me. If it there were a healthy/not-stupid way for us to use our powers, why would the voices in our head have demanded a 10-year delay instead of simply going, "the way to not set yourself on fire is ____". That makes me think Bareen can't be representing a unified group of powers. ---- I'm sure this would take a vote, but I think there's a nice win-win solution here. Bareen says she'll leave if we say no. That's actually great. Everyone in the city says that we went into the heretic temple. We said stuff (privately) to its priestess. The next day, they pull stakes and leave. The El-believers will be overjoyed. Then, if she's out of the city, we can talk to her more easily. We can also get time to talk to Azzazel, Ishmael and others. If she has some specific project that she thinks is overtly noble, we can negotiate on that. No loyalty oaths needed. Otherwise, she's just demanding a loyalty oath based on nothing other than some stories and "I, like so many other people, can set a dead cow on fire." There's no good reason to demand loyalty based on that, and there's no good reason to expect it. E: I'll vote C. I like the 'Palpetine' description. I can't take her offer seriously, and can't imagine that any story (no matter how well-told) should make us go, "Why yes! We will pledge eternal loyalty to some entity with an as-of-yet unspecified goal." falcon2424 fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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Dec 19, 2013 18:48
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B - For all their secrecy, I believe Tudiya and Ishamal have our best interests at heart. Bareen is giving off some serious Palpatine vibes, and I don't think we need to cross over to the dark side just yet. Politely refuse.
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Dec 19, 2013 18:49
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I don't know whether what she says is true or not, but we still have 9 years left on our promise. She can't teach us unless we go against the wishes of a Melachim. Doesn't make sense. Apart from that I'd like to ask her what her real name is then.
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Absum posted:I don't know whether what she says is true or not, but we still have 9 years left on our promise. She can't teach us unless we go against the wishes of a Melachim. Doesn't make sense. Seconding real name question.
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Dec 19, 2013 18:56
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HiHo ChiRho posted:E. Listen lady, but I have had misinformation fed to me my entire life. You got to understand how I am not fully trusting what you are saying right now about me or this offer that looks too good to be true. I know that something is up in the world, but until I get a clearer picture and answers for myself I won't be taking this plunge yet, if I take it. Now point me to the archery contest, please. Voting this and asking what her real name is.
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Dec 19, 2013 19:08
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Even more appropriate. C
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Dec 19, 2013 19:11
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How long have you known Ishamal?
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Dec 19, 2013 19:12
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C. gently caress you, Ishmal's a bro. We can probably buy a nicer bow eventually anyway. Personally, I feel that our lineage and superpowers should be something we find on our own, rather than have handed to us. Especially if it means pissing off our little bro.
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Dec 19, 2013 19:16
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C. I really wanted that bow, but it isn't worth this treatment.
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Dec 19, 2013 19:16
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A. Take the answers and the power!
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There is only one true answer here! Bareen is a demon! A DEMON! She has hidden in a mortal body and now seeks to corrupt and lure men away from the true faith! She's already gotten to Barkoff! loving dropkick the bitch in the face and run like a monkey with his balls on fire straight to Tudiya and beg that he tear down this blasphemous temple once and for all. Or alternatively we can give her the big finger and walk off like a goddamn boss. 
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quote:If the Melachim wanted us to have powers, why wouldn't they simply teach us themselves? HiHo ChiRho posted:Wait, if we don't agree right loving now, she goes away? Lanky Coconut Tree posted:1. Lol bitch please, no. I'm just here for the archery contest. Lanky Coconut Tree posted:Does dio have me on ignore or something i swear he's ignored 2 of my past posts about asking snarls for info. As her appearance changes, Snarls wags his tail happily, barks once and goes to Bareena side to rub against her, Bareen leans over to pet him, he leans on his side, she knows the spot on the belly to rub to make the leg kick! Indeed, Snarls leg kicks up a storm as only you know how. "See? He trusts me." !NICE SMELLER! quote:I'd like to ask Bareen , "I have heard of Mereniel previously, but I fear I've let my divine history studies fall to the wayside while out slaying monsters - who is Mereniel, exactly?" Task Manager posted:Took the words out of my mouth. Ask this x 1000. When the Prophet left us to rest in Olam Haba, his sons struggled for control of Baithaba, as Baitel was then known. Few remained loyal to their father, or to the Grigori. Men did not love the Prophets sons as they loved him. So his sons raised up a new idol, El, to justify their rule and demanded it be worshiped. The Betrayers fought among themselves and those few sons who remained loyal to the Grigori and the Prophet. An ocean of blood was shed and the Grigori abandoned us in disgust at our crimes betrayals. Baithaba was destroyed in the fighting and the Betrayers prevailed. They left and built new cities far from Mount Har, from the gates atop it, where they feared the Grigori watched. In time Baithaba was rebuilt as Baitel. The Old Tales, the lies they told their own sons. Few loyal to the Grigori and the Prophet survived, myself and a handful of others. In long years, the Betrayers did not die of age and so they climbed the Mountain, hoping their crimes might be forgiven and languishing beyond the gates. And... and I have waited. Many long years, maintaining the rights and offerings for the Holy Ones and waiting for them to forgive mankind and return. I saw Xuriel's hand in the stars and it lead me here, to wait for you. And... now after my long wait I have been too hasty and nearly drive you off in my eagerness. Forget offerings and oaths. Tudiya will never let me teach you here, he will think I bewitch you and the fool would bathe his city in flames to try to kill me. Come with me. We will leave, I will teach, you will learn and we will go where Xuriel's lights may lead us. You may bring your mother if you wish and your... brother if you truly must, but I think it unwise." NEW OPTION! OPTION F! F. Accept Bareens new offer. Leave Zepath with her, swearing no oath and taking those you wish to take with you. Option A is now moot. quote:1) What a grigori is quote:2) Who is Ashera? quote:3) What Melachim do you claim to communicate with. Are they any you believe I have spoken with? quote:4) If it wasn't El, who devoured my offerings in flame in the Temple of El? How can you claim that El isn't real when sacrifices to El burn? quote:Those who make personal sacrifices to El will have their offerings accepted by means of a large, apparently spontaneously generated, pillar of flame. I saw you control the flames at your temple's altar. Have your 'gods' ever accepted offerings that you didn't have to immolate yourself first? quote:Having power is one thing. How we use it another. If I were to follow your path to great power, what would you have me do with it? Diogines fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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Well now. This new option is... interesting. However, we have an oath with Xuriel. We cannot use magic for 10 years. Her tutelage would surely run afoul of that vow. Decline.
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JT Jag posted:Well now. This new option is... interesting. However, we have an oath with Xuriel. We cannot use magic for 10 years. Her tutelage would surely run afoul of that vow. Decline. Xuriel didn't keep up his end of the bargain; he's in breach of contract, and as such we can do whatever the gently caress we want. 
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Very, very interesting. We are going to need much more power to fill the belly of The Hungry One, so here is what I propose: E Tell Bareen that in leaving here we are leaving behind our betrothed and demand that Bareen swear a sacred oath to marry us and serve our will. This can be after she's shown us how to use our wondrous powers. With Bareen at our side we'll eventually be able shovel all of humanity into Asherah's drooling maw.
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Yet the offering in the desert burned pure. I decline your offer Bareen. Now, let's see if I can get my hands on that bow.
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quote:"The priests. The sons of the Betrayers forget the Mysteries. They send their own sons to the Temple of El in Baitel to be tested for their natural aptitude for it. They make the most apt priests and the rest, kings. They use the Mysteries to perform wonders for the masses. Most truly believe it is El's will they do so." Okay, but how do my personal sacrifices in the wilds burn? There was no one else around.
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Diogines posted:The Betrayers died or lay i grief, begging to enter Olam Haba and are denied. Is Ishamal one of these so called Betrayers? Does he know you are who you claim you are?
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JT Jag posted:Well now. This new option is... interesting. However, we have an oath with Xuriel. We cannot use magic for 10 years. Her tutelage would surely run afoul of that vow. Decline. Did we ever confirm that Jorah figure is Xuriel? Bareen made no mention of Azz. And it seems like Jorah / Azzazel are... tools. Not Grigori, maybe they were before, but now they're lesser perhaps. Something like Ishamal? Anyway they had to report back for instructions. "Ask Bareen: Who is my father? Why do the Grigori have so much interest in me? What is my purpose? Why is there a storm coming? Where are your cousins? Who else is alive that would confirm your story for you? Where are they? Without resorting to insults and generalizations, who is Ishamal? Where does he come from? What is his story? What happened to Enkidu?" Lanky Coconut Tree fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:Did we ever confirm that Jorah figure is Xuriel? Bareen made no mention of Azz. And it seems like Jorah / Azzazel are... tools. Not Grigori, maybe they were before, but now they're lesser perhaps. Something like Ishamal? Anyway they had to report back for instructions. We know for a fact that Jorah reports to something greater, whether it is El or some council of other Melachim. He had to get approval from the realm of light and goodness and yadda yadda before he was willing to give us answers, which he never ended up giving.
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Diogines posted:"They have and do. Do you imagine those men fools and you saw some secret? I sped things up when you arrived. The Grigori still accept offerings from their worshipers." Sped up a sacrifice? What kind of lame reasoning is that? And she admitted that she controlled the flame. Also, it has been mentioned before that Bareen's adventurers always bring back the entire corpse of monsters to the temple. If they tried to burn sacrifices outside Bareen's presence, then the sacrifices would probably not burn--or just burn like normal non-sacrificial stuff. Some of what she says is probably true, but the best lies are mixed with truth. Decline her new offer. Ask poop related questions. QUESTION: Are there any bones or anything left from the sacrifice? When people sacrifice to El, are there any bones left over? edit: Post I was talking about. Bolding mine. Diogines posted:You also know that Bareen's followers, while killing far fewer monsters than the Mighty Men, bring back everything they kill and use all of it, something Barkof is in favor of doing and which Tudiya does not allow him to do. You know that Tudiya does not allow flashy showings of Mighty power in the city among the Mighty Men, Bareen performs miracle healings on her flock, mostly adventurers, but some of the poor and slaves, for which they love her. Deadly Ham Sandwich fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Dec 19, 2013 |
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A thought occurs. "Did you decide to hold an archery tournament just to get me here?" (Of course she did. Whether she admits it or not could be telling.)
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Dec 19, 2013 19:49
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B. I will have to think on this. I'm not ready to spit in the face of those who have always been kind to me just for personal satisfaction.
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Neraren posted:A thought occurs.
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You know, I AM curious about the whole "We swore off magic." Deal. Ask her about that. : "We made an agreement with someone who we believe to be Xuriel, that we would not attempt magic for several years. What good would we be able to do in that time?" Also ask: "What makes you think our mother would come with us? Near as I can tell, she thinks El and Tudiya are the best things since Not Being Beaten Half-to-Death on a Daily Basis. Or do you propose we guilt her into coming with us?"
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When I read this, it makes me think Bareen is just another women who is after Enkidel's dark, tall, sexy body.
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