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Trastion
Jul 24, 2003
The one and only.

skipdogg posted:

So get ridiculous with them.

If I get an email I reply back with a list of requirements

Full time only, no contract work.
3 weeks vacation minimum
401k match
low deductible PPO with a reasonable employee contribution
$100,000 annual salary plus bonus/incentives

Because that's what it would take for me to think about leaving my current gig.

This is almost exactly what I just did with the recruiter. Of course he replied that it was an MSP, which was on my no list, and asked if I wanted to apply anyways.

You don't have to "be ridiculous" though, just list what you want & don't want. If they reply then you can weigh the good versus bad to see if it may still be worthwhile. If they do not reply or refuse to confirm something then you probably don't want to work there anyways.


Content:
Pissing me off. Upgrading a Cisco ASA5510 from software version 7.0(6) to 9.1(4). They changed so much stuff that it is hard to tell what is what now. I kinda knew what different things were in the old running-config but the new one is a LOT different. And since it is so different I am not sure if the upgrade messed anything up, or more accurately WHAT it messed up.

We bought a 2nd unit for backup and I am upgrading it to the latest version before putting it in and then will upgrade the current box to the same version. Something is not right in the conversion because some of my outside VoiP phones do not work.

Does anyone know of a good resource for learning the ins and outs of the latest Cisco Asa software? I am trying to read stuff on the Cisco site but it is making my head hurt.

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Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair
Today I got an e-mail out of the blue about a paid internship opportunity with a healthcare company, on either the QA or COBOL teams. I have no idea how I ended up on a list that would include either of those.

Also COBOL. :psyduck:

Crowley
Mar 13, 2003

Inspector_666 posted:

Today I got an e-mail out of the blue about a paid internship opportunity with a healthcare company, on either the QA or COBOL teams.

Internship on a COBOL team? As if anyone who knows COBOL would take an internship when they can get a 150k+ job instead.

poo poo that's pissing me off today: Gmail and their constant erosion of the simple, clean mail solution it used to be. I don't want to receive mail from random idiots on G+, and I really don't like that Google made it out-out.

Outlook.com is looking better and better every day, if only there was an iPhone app for it. :sigh:

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:

Crowley posted:

Internship on a COBOL team? As if anyone who knows COBOL would take an internship when they can get a 150k+ job instead.

poo poo that's pissing me off today: Gmail and their constant erosion of the simple, clean mail solution it used to be. I don't want to receive mail from random idiots on G+, and I really don't like that Google made it out-out.

Outlook.com is looking better and better every day, if only there was an iPhone app for it. :sigh:

I dont have google plus anymore, how will it work?

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams
You can now email your Google+ contacts without knowing their email, that's it.

Crowley
Mar 13, 2003

FISHMANPET posted:

You can now email your Google+ contacts without knowing their email, that's it.

and anyone on G+ can email you, even if they don't know your email. Wonderful.
(granted, they can only mail you once until you reply)

Google posted:

Receiving email from people outside your circles
If you receive an email from someone outside your circles, it will be filtered into the Social category of the inbox (if enabled) and only after you respond or add them to your circles, can they start another conversation with you.

Edit: Sirotan said I should post the opt-out instructions too. You can find them here, right at the bottom of the page.

Crowley fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jan 10, 2014

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Crowley posted:

Internship on a COBOL team? As if anyone who knows COBOL would take an internship when they can get a 150k+ job instead.

poo poo that's pissing me off today: Gmail and their constant erosion of the simple, clean mail solution it used to be. I don't want to receive mail from random idiots on G+, and I really don't like that Google made it out-out.

Outlook.com is looking better and better every day, if only there was an iPhone app for it. :sigh:

The tabbed inbox was a nice addition for creating a very simple "filter mail into stuff I don't care about seeing quickly and stuff I do" that's much quicker to configure than the filter creation process.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus
So, the company I work for was bought by a huge corporation at the beginning of 2013. They are still switching systems over. The latest thing to switch over was our timekeeping system. I find the whole time keeping regulations here slightly insane. First of all, you are supposed to fill in your time card each day. As a new policy due to the integration into corporate's timekeeping system if you do not have your timecard finished and electronically signed by 2pm on Friday your paycheck will not be direct deposited, and you will instead get a paper check at some unspecified day in the future. As salaried employees. Wtf.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Khisanth Magus posted:

So, the company I work for was bought by a huge corporation at the beginning of 2013. They are still switching systems over. The latest thing to switch over was our timekeeping system. I find the whole time keeping regulations here slightly insane. First of all, you are supposed to fill in your time card each day. As a new policy due to the integration into corporate's timekeeping system if you do not have your timecard finished and electronically signed by 2pm on Friday your paycheck will not be direct deposited, and you will instead get a paper check at some unspecified day in the future. As salaried employees. Wtf.

Was this a financial company by any chance?

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

Sickening posted:

Was this a financial company by any chance?

Nope. IT contractor.

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA
May 29, 2008

quote:

Unfortunately, your expectations are higher than our salary range based on your skill level and certifications specific for the position at [company].

O no my certifications

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Crowley posted:

Internship on a COBOL team? As if anyone who knows COBOL would take an internship when they can get a 150k+ job instead.

If you get pciked you either go to QA or COBOL training.

Here's the full e-mail:

quote:

Hi,

I am a Resource Specialist for InSys Group. We are actively looking for several candidates for a paid internship that will progress into a fulltime position with a Fortune 500 Healthcare Company. If you are selected, you will receive a salary, and benefits (health, life, dential) to attend the training for either Quality Assurance Testing of the Healthcare Information Technology Systems or Programming training using COBOL/Mainframe technology. We are looking for the following types of candidates for these roles:


  • A Recent Graduate with a degree in the Computer Science, or Mathematics related fields
  • An understanding and ability to use Microsoft, Excel, PowerPoint and office proceducts
  • Willingness to learn and advance into a fulltime job with a presiges healthcare company
  • Strong Analitical and problem solving skills
  • Lives within a 1 hour radious of Basking Ridge, NJ
  • Ability to interview the beginning and Febrary and start trainning mid February early March.

For immedate attention, please email you resume to Cindy Mita cmita@insys.com, with a copy of your resume, contact information and best time to reach you. I call you and disuss this program, your background and possible fit for these positions. We have successfully done this in the past and our candidates moved onto rewarding positions within the Healthcare Field.

Best regards,

Cindy Mita
Sr. Resource Specialist – INSYS Group
395 West Passaic Street, Rochelle Park, NJ 07662

Note that I also do not have a Comp Sci, Mathematics or related field degree. And yes, they did misspell analytic in the e-mail.

EDIT: honestly the posting doesn't sound terrible, but I have no interest in either QA nor programming, am not a recent college graduate (unless a year and change counts) and have no idea who this person or company are.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Inspector_666 posted:

If you get pciked you either go to QA or COBOL training.

Here's the full e-mail:


Note that I also do not have a Comp Sci, Mathematics or related field degree. And yes, they did misspell analytic in the e-mail.

EDIT: honestly the posting doesn't sound terrible, but I have no interest in either QA nor programming, am not a recent college graduate (unless a year and change counts) and have no idea who this person or company are.

Recruiters love coders straight out of college. The profit margins are insane.

Zamboni Apocalypse
Dec 29, 2009

Inspector_666 posted:

Note that I also do not have a Comp Sci, Mathematics or related field degree. And yes, they did misspell analytic in the e-mail.

What do you expect from a presiges healthcare company that offers dential? Go for an interview the beginning and Febrary and you might be trainning soon!

I'm totally shite at typing and can misspell all day long, but I'm not sending client/applicant-facing documents, either. :twitch: "Spell-check, motherfucker, can you s... why am I even asking?" :suicide:

Scikar
Nov 20, 2005

5? Seriously?

Zamboni Apocalypse posted:

What do you expect from a presiges healthcare company that offers dential? Go for an interview the beginning and Febrary and you might be trainning soon!

I'm totally shite at typing and can misspell all day long, but I'm not sending client/applicant-facing documents, either. :twitch: "Spell-check, motherfucker, can you s... why am I even asking?" :suicide:

Oh sory, when I wrote $52,000 in the last e mail it should bee $25,000, I asume your still intrested in the postion?

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
Turn up to the interview to correct their spelling.

stubblyhead
Sep 13, 2007

That is treason, Johnny!

Fun Shoe

Khisanth Magus posted:

So, the company I work for was bought by a huge corporation at the beginning of 2013. They are still switching systems over. The latest thing to switch over was our timekeeping system. I find the whole time keeping regulations here slightly insane. First of all, you are supposed to fill in your time card each day. As a new policy due to the integration into corporate's timekeeping system if you do not have your timecard finished and electronically signed by 2pm on Friday your paycheck will not be direct deposited, and you will instead get a paper check at some unspecified day in the future. As salaried employees. Wtf.

Your company's name doesn't happen to include the word net, does it?

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

Khisanth Magus posted:

So, the company I work for was bought by a huge corporation at the beginning of 2013. They are still switching systems over. The latest thing to switch over was our timekeeping system. I find the whole time keeping regulations here slightly insane. First of all, you are supposed to fill in your time card each day. As a new policy due to the integration into corporate's timekeeping system if you do not have your timecard finished and electronically signed by 2pm on Friday your paycheck will not be direct deposited, and you will instead get a paper check at some unspecified day in the future. As salaried employees. Wtf.

This sounds like a prime candidate for an automated script. I don't suppose you have a copy of WinRunner...

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Crowley posted:

and anyone on G+ can email you, even if they don't know your email. Wonderful.
(granted, they can only mail you once until you reply)

The big problem is that this means that spammers can email you from your G+ profile, and they only plan on that sending account working once anyway.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.

skipdogg posted:

So get ridiculous with them.

If I get an email I reply back with a list of requirements

Full time only, no contract work.
3 weeks vacation minimum
401k match
low deductible PPO with a reasonable employee contribution
$100,000 annual salary plus bonus/incentives

Because that's what it would take for me to think about leaving my current gig.

What is amazing to me is that, if you looked solid on paper and interviewed well and I was ready to hire you right now, I would get shot down by HR if I were to offer you $105,000.

What is so hosed about HR is that the message that they send to a potential employee is exactly the opposite of what they should be sending. If you ask for $100k and I offer you 90k, what is the message you receive? The message is that we really want you but no we don't value you and we don't really care that you are happy to come aboard here or not.

The argument that I had, over and over again with our HR folks is that if we could offer them more than they asked for, we would have that employee for loving life, man. (or until the poo poo job for which they were hired fully revealed itself). Seriously.

A senior systems engineer spot at my last gig made between $105-120k and we had a guy ask for $110. I asked HR to pay him $115 because I wanted him to feel valued and appreciated right out the gate and I felt he was worth it. We brought him on for $110 (and I couldn't tell him that I tried for $115) and since he came on with us, I suppose he was satisfied. What I could never make HR understand is that for a measly five k per year more, we could have made this guy's day and made him an advocate for working at our company. ("Dude, they offered me MORE than what I asked! Can you believe that poo poo?")

Sure, it's 5k per year more for his entire career here but it is still a tiny fraction of the total salary expense for the entire company. Even assuming you do this for every employee, isn't a 3-4% bump in salary expense company-wide worth the performance gain and retention longevity received by a high-morale team?

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Volmarias posted:

The big problem is that this means that spammers can email you from your G+ profile, and they only plan on that sending account working once anyway.

Because spammers never just sent emails at random before??

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Inspector_666 posted:

EDIT: honestly the posting doesn't sound terrible, but I have no interest in either QA nor programming, am not a recent college graduate (unless a year and change counts) and have no idea who this person or company are.

I still get these from time to time and I graduated 11 years ago. IT recruiters are both hilariously bad and - for the company - hilariously expensive. There's a reason that every company I have worked for has had some sort of bonus system if you can introduce them to one of your friends who is a good programmer.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Install Windows posted:

Because spammers never just sent emails at random before??
But now they don't even need to buy your e-mail address.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

anthonypants posted:

But now they don't even need to buy your e-mail address.

I can't see why Google's spam filter would be any less effective against spam from a Google+ account. If anything it should be more intelligent as it can consider things like the age of the account and whether or not it's connected to any of your circles.

That's not to say I didn't disable this option immediately (mostly because I don't use Google+) but it's not necessarily the drama people are trying to make it out to be.

Pudgygiant
Apr 8, 2004

Garnet and black? More like gold and blue or whatever the fuck colors these are

Crowley posted:

Internship on a COBOL team? As if anyone who knows COBOL would take an internship when they can get a 150k+ job instead.

How desperate are people for COBOL, really? My mom did it for about a decade roughly a billion years ago and is looking to go back to work.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Pudgygiant posted:

How desperate are people for COBOL, really? My mom did it for about a decade roughly a billion years ago and is looking to go back to work.

Our entire business hinges on a program written 30 years ago that nobody knows how to maintain, and would cost tens of millions to replace. We need changes made due to new taxes/laws/acqusitions/random c-level requests.

Please come fix our piece of poo poo.

Sincerely, every fortune 500.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?
COBOL is in high enough demand that Computer Science programs are starting to teach it again. It's not sexy work, so lots of young techies want nothing to do with it. At the same time, there are lots of legacy systems that nobody wants to upgrade, but the support is retiring out of the work force. Supply and demand is keeping compensation fairly high, especially for people with a lot of experience.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

rolleyes posted:

I can't see why Google's spam filter would be any less effective against spam from a Google+ account. If anything it should be more intelligent as it can consider things like the age of the account and whether or not it's connected to any of your circles.

That's not to say I didn't disable this option immediately (mostly because I don't use Google+) but it's not necessarily the drama people are trying to make it out to be.

Well you say that...

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

I don't comment on youtube videos either so I'm still good.

MW
May 20, 2001

"Nooooooooo!?"

luminalflux posted:

In :sweden: the first sick day you don't get paid for. The following days you get 80% pay (minimum, collective bargaining agreement can set this higher) from your employer, day 2-14. Though after day 8 the employer doesn't have to pay though if the employee can't produce a statement from a doctor that they can't work. After 15 days the state pays your sick pay.

It should be noted that this is the minimum that a company must follow. Plenty of companies give you full pay for the full duration of the first 14 days. Though I'm not certain of the limits, I'm pretty sure that what the state reimburses you after 14 days is only a certain percentage of your salary up to a maximum. I believe you a given 80% of your salary up to ~30k SEK (equivalent to about $55k), which is really quite low. A developer for example might expect to earn ~50-60k SEK, or about $100k usd yearly in Stockholm (capital).

Galler
Jan 28, 2008


rolleyes posted:

I don't comment on youtube videos either so I'm still good.

Yeah, anyone that doesn't have YouTube comments blocked or otherwise pretends they don't exist is doing it wrong.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I take back everything I ever said about coming in sick if you absolutely have to. I'm dizzy as hell, i'm shaking, i feel cold and I have no balance whatsoever. gently caress the guy who gave this to me, its awful.

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:

MW posted:

It should be noted that this is the minimum that a company must follow. Plenty of companies give you full pay for the full duration of the first 14 days. Though I'm not certain of the limits, I'm pretty sure that what the state reimburses you after 14 days is only a certain percentage of your salary up to a maximum. I believe you a given 80% of your salary up to ~30k SEK (equivalent to about $55k), which is really quite low. A developer for example might expect to earn ~50-60k SEK, or about $100k usd yearly in Stockholm (capital).

Here the first 4 days are paid by the employeer and then you have 3 weeks full pay and after that it declines to half I think. Some certain groups have slightly longer drop off tho.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

poo poo that pisses me off ... for some reason cannot get CouchDB, any modern version, to run on CentOS6 when compiling from source. The old packaged 1.0.4 version runs great, but the programmers need anything a bit newer. Never been stymied this hard before when setting up servers. So little documentation about it, apparently very few people run Couch on CentOS, and the couple of guides that exist don't work. No errors when/if compiling Erlang, Spidermonkey, and CouchDB. It just doesn't start, with no errors logged anywhere. I feel like some dependency got updated (ironically) in CentOS which is breaking it.

Up at 5:23 AM sorting this out because it's needed for tomorrow.

teethgrinder fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Jan 12, 2014

dorkanoid
Dec 21, 2004

MW posted:

It should be noted that this is the minimum that a company must follow. Plenty of companies give you full pay for the full duration of the first 14 days. Though I'm not certain of the limits, I'm pretty sure that what the state reimburses you after 14 days is only a certain percentage of your salary up to a maximum. I believe you a given 80% of your salary up to ~30k SEK (equivalent to about $55k), which is really quite low. A developer for example might expect to earn ~50-60k SEK, or about $100k usd yearly in Stockholm (capital).

I...think some of your numbers are off by a factor of 10?

evol262
Nov 30, 2010
#!/usr/bin/perl

teethgrinder posted:

poo poo that pisses me off ... for some reason cannot get CouchDB, any modern version, to run on CentOS6 when compiling from source. The old packaged 1.0.4 version runs great, but the programmers need anything a bit newer. Never been stymied this hard before when setting up servers. So little documentation about it, apparently very few people run Couch on CentOS, and the couple of guides that exist don't work. No errors when/if compiling Erlang, Spidermonkey, and CouchDB. It just doesn't start, with no errors logged anywhere. I feel like some dependency got updated (ironically) in CentOS which is breaking it.

Up at 5:23 AM sorting this out because it's needed for tomorrow.

Erlang is really tricky and lovely about hostname resolution. Have you tried troubleshooting with Erl?

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Jesus gently caress OpenVPN (the commercial version) has dick all in the way of useful documentation, so you email the support people and it's run by a stereotypical Linux nerd who seems to think ":smuggo: well the thing you are trying to do is in this documentation here that search doesn't find and isn't linked from the page you were looking at at all"

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

Have you seen the OpenVPN support forums? It's the other extreme of "how do i do computer?"

OpenVPN and per-client LZO compression is a great example of the documentation and support completely failing. I'd love to know why they don't just add LZ4 compression and fix the configuration and negotiation.

Westie
May 30, 2013



Baboon Simulator
Talking of money, apparently I'm paid 46% less than the average rate for someone in my role.

I don't have a degree in my subject, but still...

:psyduck:

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Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Westie posted:

Talking of money, apparently I'm paid 46% less than the average rate for someone in my role.

I don't have a degree in my subject, but still...

:psyduck:

Time to :yotj: and exaggerate your current pay.

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