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parid posted:I'm considering a trip to Le Mans this year. I have no idea what tickets to get. They feel like a bargain compared to F1 last year. Is the front straight worth it? I imagine covered grand stands would be nice when it starts raining. What the best way to spend the night? Camping? I'm flying in so I can't really bring gear. I'd look for a full service catered campsite - something like the ones RLM do: http://www.lemansrace.com/rlm-travel-club/
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I need new tires: I keep looking and asking around about tires that will survive on track and have >=200UTQG treadwear. So far, I just keep getting "blah is great for AutoX! Get those!" while neglecting that "blah" greases up like bacon when they get some track heat in them. Currently, I am asking Tire Rack if they have the 255/35/18 RS-3 in the new 200UTQG. Next option may be to call up Summit Racing and see if they have the new 255/35/18 NT05 size (came out 1/1/2014). Also, looking for 255/35/18 size because I am picky. nollij fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Jan 11, 2014 |
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Jan 11, 2014 03:57
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Why do you need >=200? With 180 you can do Advan Neova AD08R or Michelin Pilot Sport Cups which are pretty much the best streetable track tires you can get.
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Jan 11, 2014 04:32
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Get Rivals or  .
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Jan 11, 2014 04:38
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Dunlop ZIIs? The Star Specs were solid track tires. But seriously, why aren't you getting RS3s or Rivals?
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Jan 11, 2014 04:40
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RS3s. Get RS3s. edit:// \/\/ 
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Jan 11, 2014 05:16
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the poi posted:Rivals. Get Rivals.
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Jan 11, 2014 05:41
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Octopus Magic posted:Why do you need >=200? With 180 you can do Advan Neova AD08R or Michelin Pilot Sport Cups which are pretty much the best streetable track tires you can get. Those tires were great 5 years ago but now they suck. He wants RS3s.
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Jan 11, 2014 06:22
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You guys and your fancy wheels. I'll find out if Pilot Super Sports are any better than P-Zeros tomorrow.
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Jan 11, 2014 06:25
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Ugh, Super Sports. They were on my s2000 when I bought it, and they were not communicative at all, and when they got to their limit, they just immediately gave up. Not like RS3s. Mmmmmm, RS3s.
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Jan 11, 2014 06:45
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200 UTQG because: 2014 SCCA Solo ST classes: 140 UTQG 2015 SCCA Solo ST classes: 200 UTQG Global Time Attack: 140 UTQG Redline Time Attack: 140 UTQG Ultimate Street Car Association: 200 UTQG Optima Ultimate Street Car Invitational: 200 UTQG NASA demarcates groups of tires between 50-130 and 120-200 UTQG for tire points Are You Faster Than a Redneck (TV Show): 200 UTQG Good Guys Autocross: 200 UTQG I want to participate in the USCA this year. Otherwise I would get the AD08R and call it a day. I've read Rivals grease up on track worse than Dunlop ZIIs.
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Jan 11, 2014 07:20
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nollij posted:I've read Rivals grease up on track worse than Dunlop ZIIs. They both grease up more than RS3s. I've heard the same thing about Rivals though, they get greasy reeeealy fast.
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I'm on my second set of RS3's (God's own size: 225/45-15) and they are awesome. I like them at least as well as the Kuhmo Ecsta R-comps or the NT01 R-comps I used to have. It's a track car I occasionally drive on the street and now I only need one set of tires.
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Well hopefully Neal at Tire Rack gets back to me on Monday and goes "Hell yea we have that size in 200UTQG" and then doesn't gently caress up and send me 140 UTQG.
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Jan 11, 2014 07:45
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What car and what time attack plans? I'm pretty familiar with rta and gta.
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Jan 11, 2014 08:20
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Buy RS3s they are a great tire. I managed to get 3 track days (3+ hours of track time at Gingerman/Gratten/USAIR), 6 autoxs and 9,000 miles of driving with my STi on a set of RS3s this past year.
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jamal posted:What car and what time attack plans? I'm pretty familiar with rta and gta. Evo USCA/Street Tire AutoX/HPDE on street tires. These tires would also serve as wet tires when I finish getting the DOT slick setup done (tire trailer, etc.) which I probably won't get around to until the end of the year considering my states ridiculous requirements for trailers. GTA/RTA maybe 2015. I know another local that wants to run them this year (after totaling their car last year) and I just need to maybe put whispers into their ear to get a double car trailer along with it because driving 10 hours sounds pretty lovely. nollij fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Jan 11, 2014 |
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Cool. Well, I worked on evos and time attack cars for a couple years so if you need any help let me know. email is peter at functionauto.com
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the poi posted:They both grease up more than RS3s. I've heard the same thing about Rivals though, they get greasy reeeealy fast. Any of the three would be fine for mixed use; the decision points going to be climate, car, and what you prioritize. You'd likely want a different tire in Arizona, say, than Seattle. grover fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Jan 11, 2014 |
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grover posted:ZII and Rivals really like it cold. I wouldn't say they get greasy, but ZII clearly has the best sweet spot "warm" and grip drops off a few tenths when it gets hot- both ZII and Rival are considered to be pretty decent track tires, especially for time trials when you have time to let them cool between runs, but definitely more geared towards autocross. RS3 is more formulated for hot temps; they need some heat in them to work properly but generally hold up to the heat better. Is the RS3 the best current street tire for dealing with heat? Tracking a 3400 wagon in California is an interesting tire challenge. nm fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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AFAIK, the R-S3s are good, but the Rivals are better on a lighter car. My main complaints about the R-S3s is that they're pretty quiet and terrible under braking whereas the Rivals act more like an NT-01.
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Phone posted:AFAIK, the R-S3s are good, but the Rivals are better on a lighter car. My main complaints about the R-S3s is that they're pretty quiet and terrible under braking whereas the Rivals act more like an NT-01. I'm getting rivals for the Mazda when they come back into stock, but the Legacy needs tires ASAP. The last tire I think I was happy with on the legacy on teh track was the RE-01Rs. My current tires are worn out Starspecs which neither had the sidewall nor the heat tolerance I wanted.
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nm posted:Is the RS3 the best current street tire for dealing with heat? Tracking a 3400 wagon in California is an interesting tire challenge. Dunlops and BFGs are poo poo with heat. They work for AutoX but everything I have read indicates they can't handle track type temperatures. The tires that supposedly can handle track temps: RS-3s AD08s (ran these last year, greased up only a few times when I was pushing the tires inefficiently; not 200 UTQG) NT05s RE-11s (successors of RE-01s.
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nm posted:I'm getting rivals for the Mazda when they come back into stock, but the Legacy needs tires ASAP. The last tire I think I was happy with on the legacy on teh track was the RE-01Rs. My current tires are worn out Starspecs which neither had the sidewall nor the heat tolerance I wanted. grover fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jan 12, 2014 |
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grover posted:For autocross, yes, but RS3 have weak sidewalls compared to the other top tires; heavy cars tend towards ZII or Rivals for autocross. I need sidewalls, but not greasy. How are the RE-11A sidewalls?
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Just want to say, as someone probably getting new tires for a non-DD track/street car this year, I'm really getting a lot from this conversation.
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nm posted:I need sidewalls, but not greasy. How are the RE-11A sidewalls? I'm not too sure about what changed from the 11 to 11A's, but the 11's have a really stiff sidewall compared to starspec's or even proxie r1r's. If you're tracking them, they run great once heat cycled, if autox, they've got average at best cold grip, but they communicate very well.
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I'm going 225/45 RS3's on a 15x9 wheel - it winds up being a tiny bit of stretch, and coupled with a lightweight car it stiffens up the sidewall.
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Are you just doing autocross or are you going to do DEs as well?
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Autocross is where I'm actually competitive, and I'm going to do as many lapping days as I can afford this year though. I did two last year (first time on an actual race track!) and will hopefully do 3-5 this year as funds allow. RS3's seem to shine around here. I may go back to rivals for 2015 depending on what I find. I couldn't really hear the rivals on track over the wind noise, but that's probably a combination of baby's first track day + not pushing hard enough.
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Re: overheating RS3s--I only managed to get my RS3s greasy by getting lazy at the end of the day at Cal Speedway (high speed oval+infield) and overdriving the poo poo out of the tires, in 90*F heat. Car weighs 2850 with fuel and driver. No idea what happens on a heavier car though!
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I have the R-S3s on my Miata now (225/45R15 on a 15x9 wheel, 2200lbs) and they're a good tire. I don't like how they are under braking and when you start to get towards the edge of traction, they just let go and congrats now you're sliding. I'm running 225/45R15 Rivals this year. Car should weigh about the same.
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So my first track day on the Pilot SS was OK. Compared to the Pirelli P-Zero, I think they have stiffer sidewalls because they seemed more responsive at turn in and holding the turn. That kind of screwed me up because I'm used to really leaning into the turn and cranking the wheel to get the Pirellis to go where I want, I kept mistaking the responsiveness for oversteer and backing off too much in slow corners. Oh I also went 20mm wider with this set so that also explains some of the difference in feel. Longpig Bard fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Jan 13, 2014 |
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Related to this tire talk, I need a tire pressure gauge. Something with a valve to lower pressure. What do you guys use/recommend.
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http://www.longacreracing.com/catalog/item.asp?id=228&catid=8 Works well enough for me.
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I just use the inflator for my compressor. Has an accurate gauge and will release pressure. I think I bought it at HF.
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SpaceRangerJoe posted:Related to this tire talk, I need a tire pressure gauge. Something with a valve to lower pressure. What do you guys use/recommend. I have one of these, I'm pretty happy with it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00404WDUC/
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Are any of you using RaceChrono with an old android phone? I'm wondering what phone I should pick up to do this as cheaply as possible.
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emoltra posted:I have one of these, I'm pretty happy with it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00404WDUC/ Amazon prime wins. Thanks. I'm also in the tire market. I'm looking to get a set just for the track, not street. My car is an IS350, so a little on the heavy side. I'm considering the R-S3's now that people have been talking about it here, or the considerably less expensive Bridgestone S-04. Would one be better than the other for a car that isn't so lightweight?
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TrueChaos posted:I'm going 225/45 RS3's on a 15x9 wheel - it winds up being a tiny bit of stretch, and coupled with a lightweight car it stiffens up the sidewall. I'm running that size on my E30 with a 15x8 wheel. It fits perfectly. I'm sure the 15x9 would work well too.
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