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In the comments to the original post, one of the kids says he/she worked full-time while going to college. Later, he/she also admits it wasn't the easiest childhood.
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Jan 17, 2014 06:44
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My grandmother had 12 kids, my family on that side is now getting around 50 people. We manage to all get in the same place at least once every 5 years and make a new family photo. I don't know what the hell they're doing that they can't manage that, especially given their apparent affluence, but it sure doesn't sound like a tight knit family.
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Jan 17, 2014 11:08
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Orange Devil posted:My grandmother had 12 kids, my family on that side is now getting around 50 people. We manage to all get in the same place at least once every 5 years and make a new family photo. I don't know what the hell they're doing that they can't manage that, especially given their apparent affluence, but it sure doesn't sound like a tight knit family. Well the guy sounds like an rear end in a top hat, he makes a point that they wouldn't even help pay for weddings, I'm sure the kids just make excuses to not see their parents.
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Jan 17, 2014 16:56
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KomradeX posted:Well the guy sounds like an rear end in a top hat, he makes a point that they wouldn't even help pay for weddings, I'm sure the kids just make excuses to not see their parents. The parents sound like the people making Freep posts of "I wish my kids would visit more often"
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Jan 17, 2014 17:02
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Exactly what I'm thinking, they drove their kids away and ate justifying their I would say mean spirited parenting. The no picky eaters thing I thought was just really goddamn weird thing.
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Jan 17, 2014 17:08
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Armyman25 posted:My sister-in-law posted this on Facebook. It's either STDH.txt or poo poo that's easy to do if you are wealthy. Guy ran his family like a business -- what a miserable existence. "Kids, if you don't get your numbers up I'm withholding love for the remainder of the fiscal year!" I also enjoyed the sentiment that they willed food allergies away by being strict.
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Jan 17, 2014 20:59
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The guy would be a complete rear end in a top hat if not for this little part.quote:The kids each got their own computer, but had to build it. I bought the processor, memory, power supply, case, keyboard, hard drive, motherboard, and mouse. They had to put it together and load the software on. This started when they were 12. If I were this dude's kid this probably would have been the only enjoyable moment of my childhood.
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Jan 17, 2014 21:26
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bobservo posted:Guy ran his family like a business -- what a miserable existence. "Kids, if you don't get your numbers up I'm withholding love for the remainder of the fiscal year!" Well, they started with 16 kids you see...
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Jan 17, 2014 21:29
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I also have the feeling that this was written in the most positive light. What's left out is probably lots of "You are doing it wrong, stupid" and "God hates you", as well as oodles of beatings.
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Jan 17, 2014 21:34
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How does a kid have time to rebuild a car completely while doing all that other stuff? The whole editorial is thinly veiled bragging.
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Jan 17, 2014 22:03
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Twelve kids? Jesus, lady, it's a vagina, not a clown car. Also, I lost it at "no speeding tickets, even though every car was at least 450hp" there's about 15 cars in the world with that kind of power, and all of them are superexotics with the cheapest probably being a Dodge Viper.
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Jan 17, 2014 22:27
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Tharizdun posted:Twelve kids? Jesus, lady, it's a vagina, not a clown car. Also, I lost it at "no speeding tickets, even though every car was at least 450hp" there's about 15 cars in the world with that kind of power, and all of them are superexotics with the cheapest probably being a Dodge Viper. To be fair, they were rebuilding the engines with whatever aftermarket parts the parents were willing to spring for. Also, due to how they measured HP in the 60's, it wasn't unheard of to have a full size family car making 360HP on the show room flow.
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Jan 17, 2014 23:00
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"Force your children to be exactly who you want them to be" is the gist of that entire thing. It's telling that the "Independence" part goes on and on about fixing cars and computers, but the only part about even the idea of actual independence is this:quote:We let the children make their own choices, but limited. For example, do you want to go to bed now or clean your room? Rarely, did we give directives that were one way, unless it dealt with living the agreed-upon family rules. This let the child feel that she had some control over life. In other words, they had no independence. Which in real life is a guaranteed way to stunt your children's emotional growth, because it isn't what real life is like. I've never met anyone who grew up in a household like this that were very well-adjusted adults. Xombie fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jan 17, 2014 |
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Jan 17, 2014 23:14
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Twelve kids over the course of fifteen years, with each having to do some kind of extended rebuild and repair on a vehicle when they turned sixteen without any outside labor. This is a plausible set of projects for a family to take on, store, and manage, which absolutely totally happened.
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Jan 17, 2014 23:48
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So what, he'd give them a shell and order a crate motor and new parts? Yeah that's a fantastic way to spend
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Jan 18, 2014 00:07
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bobservo posted:I also enjoyed the sentiment that they willed food allergies away by being strict. No no! He's not saying that! Remember he's "not a doctor". But, you know, if your kid doesn't want to eat something because it gives him stomach pains/hives/anaphylactic shock, then he kinda sounds like a whiner and if you let him eat something else you're an enabler. Friends don't let friends die from peanut allergies, but you, mom and dad, not supposed to be your kids "friends".
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Jan 18, 2014 00:40
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How did I know when I clicked that the guy would be an engineer? Engineers are the worst.
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Jan 18, 2014 02:09
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Ogmius815 posted:How did I know when I clicked that the guy would be an engineer? Engineers are the worst. I thought it would have been the first sentence of the article. "Francis L. Thompson is an engineer at Northrop Grumman Corp."
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Jan 18, 2014 05:19
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Every shitbag libertarian engineer ever should be forced to read Steve Wozniak's autobiography A Clockwork Orange style.
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Jan 18, 2014 05:59
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The article reminds me of that one episode of American Dad where Stan Smith, the CIA father, clones his son, Steve in order to raise him in a strict, authoritative way while his wife raises the real son in a very caring, passive way. Long story short,because both parents went to the extreme, real Steve turns into a spoiled goony gently caress and clone Steve turns into a disciplined psychopath who tries to kill his "father" for not letting him pursue interests in that he wants and for being more of a boss than a father. What I'm trying to get at here is that the author of that article needs to stop taking life lessons from Seth Macfarlane. Are non-political articles kosher here? Here is an article written by Gilbert Gottfried about how women are liars for wanting a man with a sense of humor yet they go for attractive guys. It's pretty much Nice Guy and  and UGH. http://playboysfw.kinja.com/women-say-they-want-a-guy-with-a-sense-of-humor-they-d-1487449484(It's linked to a site where the articles are isolated from the nudity, but it's still NSFW because, Playboy.) Women Say They Want a Guy With a Sense of Humor. They Don't posted:I was talking to this girl once, and she was going on and on about how much she loves Jerry Seinfeld. "He's the funniest guy on the planet," she told me. "Every joke he does just makes me scream with laughter." Being a curious person, I asked her if, given the chance, she'd gently caress Jerry Seinfeld. "Oh God no," she said without thinking about it. "Just because I think he's funny doesn't mean I want to have sex with him." Well, I inquired, what does make you want to have sex with a guy? And I swear to you, the first thing out of her mouth was "A sense of humor."
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Jan 18, 2014 06:59
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Forceholy posted:Are non-political articles kosher here? Here is an article written by Gilbert Gottfried about how women are liars for wanting a man with a sense of humor yet they go for attractive guys. It's pretty much Nice Guy and
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Jan 18, 2014 07:08
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Forceholy posted:The article reminds me of that one episode of American Dad where Stan Smith, the CIA father, clones his son, Steve in order to raise him in a strict, authoritative way while his wife raises the real son in a very caring, passive way. Long story short,because both parents went to the extreme, real Steve turns into a spoiled goony gently caress and clone Steve turns into a disciplined psychopath who tries to kill his "father" for not letting him pursue interests in that he wants and for being more of a boss than a father. I don't watch that show but I've basically seen this happen in real life.
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Jan 18, 2014 09:38
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VideoTapir posted:I don't watch that show but I've basically seen this happen in real life. You've seen human cloning in action? 
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Jan 18, 2014 14:59
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Caros posted:You've seen human cloning in action? No, the ignoring one son and having him turn into a little poo poo riding the other way too hard and having him try to kill his father. It was a Mormon family with 12 sons. Some of the others were more well adjusted, but I only knew 3 of them well.
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Jan 18, 2014 15:54
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Tharizdun posted:You're kinda reaching here. He's not doing the 'nice guy' routine, he's writing a hilarious bit on how women, just like men, really want to bone rich, famous handsome people; they just lie about their reasons because society makes them. There's some misogyny in it, but the bits at the end where he talks about(paraphrasing) "if a girl likes you then she likes you, it isn't about some kind of trickery" is pretty enlightened compared to the kinds of poo poo that might otherwise be said in that sort of article. It's also a pretty good setup for his punch line at the end.
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Jan 20, 2014 06:14
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bobservo posted:Guy ran his family like a business -- what a miserable existence. "Kids, if you don't get your numbers up I'm withholding love for the remainder of the fiscal year!" I dunno mackey; these guys are absolutely simpletons (lol at the allergies bullshit [I am not a doctor]) but as far as raising kids, they seem like strict but caring parents. To be honest, I wish my parents were there to provide me better structure and discipline. It would've made my early adulthood much less dumb. Seriously though lets examine what they do: Kids are taught to have well regulated foodways ( unlike the way many people eat which is sporatic and unhealthy) Kids have consistent and healthy sleep schedules (which is incredibly important for young developing people) Kids are taught to be self reliant while still providing the support they require to grow. (This is probably a bit dog-whistle for 'bootstrappin yerselves' but theres nothing wrong with this concept in and of itself) They force them to do community service. They force them to do sports. (Sorry goons, everyone should be athletic given the capacity) They used every opportunity to teach their kids rather than just doing the work for them. From these very basic parenting concepts, I hope Im as consistent a father as these guys are. Nothing about having a disciplined household will stymie a child's healthy emotional growth. Sometimes I worry about you goons.
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Jan 20, 2014 16:23
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I think people are taking umbrage with the idea that he just let the kids do it themselves while providing thousands of dollars of support. Trips to Europe, enough tools and parts to rebuild a classic car into a high powered hot rod, trip to Mexico to hand out old clothes (no poor people in the city they lived in?), computers built from scratch. Also, the bragging that they ate dinner together at 530 every night. When I was growing up the whole family wasn't even home till after 6, and that's if mom or dad weren't working late. Basically a lot of the stuff he says isn't wrong, but a lot of it is only possible because he is well off and makes enough to support such a large family without his wife also having to take a job. I would be more impressed if he wasn't an engineer at a large aerospace/defense contractor.
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Jan 20, 2014 16:32
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Yeah sorry when someone starts heavily implying that loving food allergies are just made-up whiny bullshit, then I'm not inclined to give the rest of their crap the benefit of the doubt when it comes to what affirming, supportive parents they were. And when it comes to their list of Things Only Affluent White People Can Do, let's add "badger and threaten their suburban school into waiving academic requirements for advanced classes".
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Jan 20, 2014 21:01
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25776836 posted:Lions and donkeys: 10 big myths about World War One debunked
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Jan 20, 2014 22:20
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Wow, that starts off pretty poo poo and then somehow manages to get worse. 'Don't worry guys, only 1 in 9 British soldiers died, the rest quite enjoyed it. The western front was basically a picnic.' 'At some points combat was so hellish entire units would be shattered and rotated off the line after only a day or two. This is somehow a good thing' 'making GBS threads on a defining moment in Anzac history for no reason.' 'The Treaty of Versailles was actually great. I mean it wasn't quite as harsh as conditions imposed by Stalinist Soviet Russia, pretty much the lowest bar you could think of. Now let me skirt around the fact that it utterly failed to prevent the largest war in history only 20 years later.' People are really pushing some serious whitewashing of the conflict for the upcoming anniversary.
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Jan 20, 2014 22:45
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I read that and have no idea what his point is. THE GREAT WAR WASNT SO BAD! Congratulations! You made an inane statement based entirely your own warped perspective about the horrors of war and present it in a way that's offensive to the memory of anyone who died.
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Jan 21, 2014 02:52
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Don't forget, a lower percentage of the British population died in World War I than they did during the English Civil War, you know that war that was fought almost exclusively on British territory when both sides were British! How marvelously humane! 
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Jan 21, 2014 02:54
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Rexicon1 posted:I read that and have no idea what his point is. The point of it is to be part of the establishment push to rehabilitate the First World War through distortion and outright falsehood. Nothing more than that.
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Jan 21, 2014 03:14
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cafel posted:Wow, that starts off pretty poo poo and then somehow manages to get worse. "I adore war. It is like a big picnic but without the objectivelessness of a picnic. I have never been more well or more happy." - Julian Grenfell (1888-1915); Grenfell's brother was also killed in action, two months later. If anyone needs a primer in just how the upper class could play off whatever they want, Catherine Bailey's The Secret Rooms. Though he initially protested, Violet Rutland went up through the ranks to keep her boy out of the front lines. Because she knew them all. And solely because was the last heir to a dukedom and like hell she was going to lose that. Siegfried Sassoon also had things fixed up for him. Robert Graves, who was just upper class enough to be put in the officers' pool, helped to get a medical board fixed so Sassoon wouldn't be court-martialed, which sometimes carried the death penalty. Graves was still suffering the effects of shellshock when he published Good-Bye to All That in 1929.
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Jan 21, 2014 03:20
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John Charity Spring posted:The point of it is to be part of the establishment push to rehabilitate the First World War through distortion and outright falsehood. Nothing more than that.
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Jan 21, 2014 21:19
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Strudel Man posted:Why on earth would "the establishment" care about doing that. To rehabilitate the idea of war in general, I suppose? Still rather  , though; I'm more inclined to blame the general obsession of historians nowadays with tearing down "myths" and "icons." It helps that there are a lot of silly historical narratives with staying power in the popular mind, e.g., the Middle Ages as "a thousand years without a bath" (or, speaking of baths, the story about Millard Fillmore).Incidentally, many soldiers did indeed enjoy World War I. Of course, many of those who did went on to become fascists. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jan 21, 2014 |
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Jan 21, 2014 21:27
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Silver2195 posted:To rehabilitate the idea of war in general, I suppose? Still rather
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Jan 21, 2014 21:56
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VitalSigns posted:...then I'm not inclined to give the rest of their crap the benefit of the doubt when it comes to what affirming, supportive parents they were. This part of your post made me realize something: there's zero discussion of sexuality, in an article about how to Properly Raise Kids Right, in a house that would've continuously housed multiple adolescents for a quarter century and had a mom that was permanently pregnant, and which by the odds likely had at least one LGBT kiddo? That's a conspicuous absence.
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Jan 21, 2014 22:01
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Strudel Man posted:Indeed. Nobody's attitude about our present engagements, or those we're likely to be involved in in the future, is going to be altered one scintilla by a minor tidying-up of the image of world war I. That reminds me of Asimov's remark that "the chances of carrying [historical revisionism] as far as is described in 1984 seem to me to be nil - not because it is beyond human wickedness, but because it is totally unnecessary."
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Jan 21, 2014 22:09
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quote:It was largely unoccupied and financial reparations were linked to its ability to pay, which mostly went unenforced anyway. So easy to pay and "unenforced" that France occupied the Ruhr in 1923 when Germany couldn't pay.
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Jan 21, 2014 22:10
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