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grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW
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Argentine sub surfaced during the Mar de Plata yacht race, snagging one of the buoys in the process.

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ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

MrYenko posted:

My limited nautical knowledge is mostly comprised of booze cruising the extremely hazardous waters of Fort Lauderdale, but isn't getting close to a submarine under way extremely dumb, for reasons outside of the angry Coast Guard Defender with the M240 on the foredeck?

Yes

genderstomper58
Jan 10, 2005

by XyloJW
Anime beaner and house guy has spoken, so I stand corrected

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.
We don't let Coast Guard aspies on board. I don't know if you're thinking radiation but that's a non-issue. They'll honk at you a lot and scream over a radio you don't have, and then proceed to get tangled as gently caress in buoy lines

E: just like that guy

I don't remember exactly who technically has right of way between a sub and a sailboat anyway, I think it's the sailboat but the sub will always yield regardless.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Snowdens Secret posted:

I don't remember exactly who technically has right of way between a sub and a sailboat anyway, I think it's the sailboat but the sub will always yield regardless.

Some Japanese fishing boat captains would like to have a word with you.

genderstomper58
Jan 10, 2005

by XyloJW

EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:

Some Japanese fishing boat captains would like to have a word with you.

Well maybe they shouldn't take so many pictures

grover
Jan 23, 2002

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Snowdens Secret posted:

I don't remember exactly who technically has right of way between a sub and a sailboat anyway, I think it's the sailboat but the sub will always yield regardless.
The surface craft will typically yield first. But only because submarine hulls are really thick and HSS & HY steels have really high yield strengths. Simple physics, yo.

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.

grover posted:

The surface craft will typically yield first. But only because submarine hulls are really thick and HSS & HY steels have really high yield strengths. Simple physics, yo.

- Vessels under power yield to vessels with restricted ability to maneuver, and sailing vessels

- Sailing vessels yield to vessels restricted in ability to maneuver

- Submarines are generally not considered restricted in maneuverability, but are routinely constrained by draft (i.e. the pathway deep enough for them is a lot narrower than it may look from the surface)

- You need to run special lights or something to get restricted maneuver right of way tho, and mil boats don't do this because of terrists or something stupid, and lean on the horn instead

- Whatever the rules say, if a sub hits a civilian ship, no matter how blatant the civ may be in the wrong, the sub captain is getting shitcanned, so they always yield

krispykremessuck
Jul 22, 2005

unlike most veterans and SA members $10 is not a meaningful expenditure for me

I'm gonna have me a swag Bar-B-Q

grover posted:

The surface craft will typically yield first. But only because submarine hulls are really thick and HSS & HY steels have really high yield strengths. Simple physics, yo.

Let's see what the nav rules say:

quote:

5. Who has the "right of way" on the water? The Navigation Rules convey a right-of-way only in one particular circumstance: to power-driven vessels proceeding downbound with a following current in narrow channels or fairways of the Great Lakes , Western Rivers, or other waters specified by regulation (Inland Rule 9(a)(ii)). Otherwise, power-driven vessels are to keep out of the way (Rule 18) and either give-way (Rule 16) or stand-on (Rule 17) to vessels not under command or restricted in their ability to maneuver, sailing vessels or vessels engaged in fishing, and, similarly vessels should avoid impeding the safe passage of a vessel constrained by her draft (Rule 18), navigating a narrow channel (Rule 9) or traffic separation scheme (Rule 10). The Rules do not grant privileges they impose responsibilities and require precaution under all conditions and circumstances; no Rule exonerates any vessel from the consequences of neglect (Rule 2). Neglect, among other things, could be not maintaining a proper look-out (Rule 5), use of improper speed (Rule 6), not taking the appropriate actions to determine and avoid collision (Rule 7 & 8) or completely ignoring your responsibilities under the Rules.

Assuming the sub was unescorted and without a security zone around it, the sub would be the give-way vessel.

Also what Snowden said.

genderstomper58
Jan 10, 2005

by XyloJW

Snowdens Secret posted:

- Vessels under power yield to vessels with restricted ability to maneuver, and sailing vessels

- Sailing vessels yield to vessels restricted in ability to maneuver

- Submarines are generally not considered restricted in maneuverability, but are routinely constrained by draft (i.e. the pathway deep enough for them is a lot narrower than it may look from the surface)

- You need to run special lights or something to get restricted maneuver right of way tho, and mil boats don't do this because of terrists or something stupid, and lean on the horn instead

- Whatever the rules say, if a sub hits a civilian ship, no matter how blatant the civ may be in the wrong, the sub captain is getting shitcanned, so they always yield

No no, vessels always compare Yield Strength like virgin homo weirdos before passing, idiot

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004

let's see those sailboats dodge an ADCAP heh :human being:



Jesus, they look like a bunch of construction workers in 80s urban camo. I guess it's a step up from 60s prisoners.

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
Seems like it would be pretty hard to hit a sailboat with a torpedo, they're not very big.

Hexyflexy
Sep 2, 2011

asymptotically approaching one

Mortabis posted:

Seems like it would be pretty hard to hit a sailboat with a torpedo, they're not very big.

Not if you dropped the torpedo on it.

And pictures. I took these a month ago at bruntingthorpe in Leicester in the UK. Despite having lived here on and off over 20 years, neither me nor my dad realised the place existed. Crap pictures due to camera phone - it turned out to be a perfect day for photography, I was going to go back... Its rained every free weekend since.

Hey! I found a Starfighter that didn't crash!



My dad pointed out that it probably did crash, hence it being here. Those wings - drat. I could stall that by coughing on it.

What we came to see



A Handley Page Victor. I didn't realise any of these still existed, it's such an odd and beautiful design, with an utterly insanely massive tail considering the size of the rest of the plane. Shame its only job was a one way trip to a fiery inferno, but if you're gonna go, do it in style.

Also, Sea Harriers are tiny.

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

Hexyflexy posted:

Shame its only job was a one way trip to a fiery inferno, but if you're gonna go, do it in style.

It also had the job of assisting in an incredibly impractical scheme to drop a bomb on a tiny airstrip on a desolate island in the South Atlantic no one cared about prior to April '82.

Hexyflexy
Sep 2, 2011

asymptotically approaching one

iyaayas01 posted:

It also had the job of assisting in an incredibly impractical scheme to drop a bomb on a tiny airstrip on a desolate island in the South Atlantic no one cared about prior to April '82.

That explains the comment from the guy doing tours (I'm an idiot and should have realised).

"When did it last run?"
"About 1982".

Hah.

Iseeyouseemeseeyou
Jan 3, 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgoc6byf8kE

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

lol

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

sick

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
Crosspost from the Aeronautical Insanity thread; I took a lap around the NAS Fallon air park yesterday:

UH-1:


F-14:


A-6:


MiG-23. This one surprised me, I always thought they were somewhat bigger:


F-4:


MiG-29:


MiG-17:


A-7:


F-86:


MiG-15:


F-8:



Navy F-16:


S-3:


A-4:


MiG-21:


F-5:


E-2:

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

white privilege posted:

that video owns so hard. this one is p good too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvJMmCCS-8

To be fair, everyone in the Middle East drives like this.

"Inshallah, there will be space when I merge without looking."

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Dead Reckoning posted:

"Inshallah, there will be space when I merge without looking."

A Dubai roundabout is the only place I actually closed my eyes in anticipation of being seriously injured. No idea how we escaped.

Fucitol
May 8, 2005

Ceterum autem censeo mundum esse delendam



Memento, homo, quia pulvis es, et in pulverem reverteris

Dead Reckoning posted:

To be fair, everyone in the Middle East drives like this.

"Inshallah, there will be space when I merge without looking."

Every Baghdad traffic circle began with a clusterfuck of cars that were barely moving and ended with shattered back windows and pissed off Iraqis.

We tried to at least give them warning with a :siren: or horns blazing going in. V:shobon:V

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

Hexyflexy posted:


A Handley Page Victor. I didn't realise any of these still existed, it's such an odd and beautiful design, with an utterly insanely massive tail considering the size of the rest of the plane. Shame its only job was a one way trip to a fiery inferno, but if you're gonna go, do it in style.

For most of it's (quite long) service life it was used as a tanker, FYI. And they were finally retired quite a few years after the Falklands.

Bernard McFacknutah
Nov 13, 2009

iyaayas01 posted:

It also had the job of assisting in an incredibly impractical scheme to drop a bomb on a tiny airstrip on a desolate island in the South Atlantic no one cared about prior to April '82.

Most people regard the Vulcan runs on Stanley airport as a dick-waving exercise by the RAF but in reality it was Thatcher reminding Argentina that we could bomb the mainland. I remember reading a book written by some high ranking fleet air arm officer basically saying that the Sea Harriers could have run 800 sorties from the two carriers for the same amount of fuel.

Koesj
Aug 3, 2003
J-20 #2011 (third prototype we've seen as of yet):



Probably going to fly for the first time in public somewhere this week.

They changed the intakes and clipped its vertical stabs. Progress.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Koesj posted:

J-20 #2011 (third prototype we've seen as of yet):



Probably going to fly for the first time in public somewhere this week.

They changed the intakes and clipped its vertical stabs. Progress.

Rocking the 80's "Shoulder Pads" technology I see. So still 30+ years behind us.

Koesj
Aug 3, 2003
The what now?

ghost bones
Apr 27, 2013

everyone is fabulous always

Koesj posted:

The what now?

it's called a joke please look at my flow chart here to understand

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

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Chinatown
Sep 11, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Fun Shoe
A Good Post.

OBi
Feb 27, 2005

HQ BN A CO BEARMAT
2001-2005. The POG-est.
I was under the impression that taking a picture of the prop of a submarine was a big no-no? Apparently super-genius enemy opsec sorcerers can reverse engineer it's sound profile or something?

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Somebody fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Feb 19, 2014

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.

OBi posted:

I was under the impression that taking a picture of the prop of a submarine was a big no-no? Apparently super-genius enemy opsec sorcerers can reverse engineer it's sound profile or something?

The Typhoon is impressive for its size but isn't very high tech, and didn't get the benefits from the Walker spy ring that other classes did. They're fairly noisy. That's one reason why the Russians kept the Delta IVs in service after the fall of the USSR but mostly retired the Typhoons - Wiki says there's one in service and it's a test bed, not a deterrent patrol boat. The props are (as you can see) visible when the sub is surfaced anyway so they're not hard to get shots of.

E: oh god my tables

E2:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPvyqB6hdwo

:ussr:

Snowdens Secret fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Feb 18, 2014

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Isn't this actually the spy photo from The Hunt for Red October?

SPACE HOMOS
Jan 12, 2005

The tiniest sub I've seen was one of the ROK's type 214s when we were in Busan.

NAPALM STICKS TO
Jun 22, 2005

a p good video from syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cim0deZmgcw

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.

Godholio posted:

Isn't this actually the spy photo from The Hunt for Red October?

I don't think so, I don't see any caterpillar doors. It lines up well with the propaganda vid I linked below it.

The Sukhoi, though is a still from the bad Chinese Top Gun knockoff.

hazza
Mar 25, 2005

I couldn't see him, therefore I knew he was there.

Godholio posted:

Isn't this actually the spy photo from The Hunt for Red October?
You mean these?


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Dilettante.
Feb 18, 2011
Jet drops a bomb close to a US position by mistake. Much whining ensues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSzBCgbicbA


Meanwhile, in Thailand.
:nws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aHsXazfuWA :eyepop:

Dilettante. fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Feb 19, 2014

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