|
User0015 posted:
I think this is really important to note even if you like how the game looks. This game was in development for a very long time and probably cost alot of money to make. Unless it sells fantastically (it probably won't, especially when opinions about it are so divided and the game just hasn't generated any excitement at all)it is very likely this is the last we see of the Thief franchise for a very long time. Asuron fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Feb 24, 2014 |
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 21:09
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 12, 2024 00:24 |
|
|
Robot_Rumpus posted:People here really want to get their hate on. Catastrophically bad would mean it won't start, or horrifically mangles your system in some way. That's literally not true. Myth's uninstaller mangled your startup files and made your OS an unbootable pile of bytes and it was still one of the greatest games ever made. Andrast posted:Thief 4 is the worst kind of bad. The really boring kind. It's so bad, it doesn't even garner amazing reviews. SneakyBastards not-withstanding, though I've never heard of them until now. That's the kind of review I like. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 21:12
|
|
|
Well, despite my much ballyhoo'd anger and hatred towards the game, I had some sort of mental breakdown this morning and, using the 25% off GMG coupon, ended up preordering this pile of poo poo. I'll be curious to see who ends up on the right side of history here: the "meh, it's nothing great" or the "it's an enormous pile of dogshit" crowd. As a poster said a little ways back, sometimes things are reviewed with 6s and 7s and then, months later, everyone agrees that it was actually horrible. Then again, Thief 3 was much hated at the time and now, as many other have pointed out, we look back and say "yeah, it was pretty decent". That being said, I'm worried about the experience solely based upon how much I loving loathe the "Garrett holds his hands right in front of his face at all times like some sort of touchy retard" look the game has going. Oh god why did I buy this
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 21:15
|
|
|
Pathos posted:Well, despite my much ballyhoo'd anger and hatred towards the game, I had some sort of mental breakdown this morning and, using the 25% off GMG coupon, ended up preordering this pile of poo poo. I'll be curious to see who ends up on the right side of history here: the "meh, it's nothing great" or the "it's an enormous pile of dogshit" crowd. As a poster said a little ways back, sometimes things are reviewed with 6s and 7s and then, months later, everyone agrees that it was actually horrible. Then again, Thief 3 was much hated at the time and now, as many other have pointed out, we look back and say "yeah, it was pretty decent". We will honour your sacrifice.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 21:25
|
|
|
User0015 posted:This game isn't 'flawed'. It's catastrophically bad. Just economically speaking, I'm sure it cost a pretty penny and landed flat on its face. It was basically Bioshock Infinite for development time, will sell nowhere near as good, and look at what happened to Irrational. It could very well bury the Thief franchise forever just like DmC is trying to do. It doesn't get much worse than 'ending a franchise' bad. Good thing they got some small expensive foundry to make a replica of the in game bow out of aluminum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WyqH6yYzJY Money well spent!
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 21:25
|
|
|
You'll literally be able to get this for 50% or less in a month or two on steam, how dumb do you have to be to preorder it TODAY?
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 21:33
|
|
|
User0015 posted:That's literally not true. Myth's uninstaller mangled your startup files and made your OS an unbootable pile of bytes and it was still one of the greatest games ever made. It obviously wasn't upon release. Either way, I don't think my statement reads that way (or at least was not intended to be read that way). For something to be catastrophically bad it would have to do something along those lines, not that something that does those things would have to be classified as catastrophically bad. quote:Good thing they got some small expensive foundry to make a replica of the in game bow out of aluminum. You see lots of stupid promo videos that cost any amount of money for all kinds of games.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 21:33
|
|
|
big mean giraffe posted:You'll literally be able to get this for 50% or less in a month or two on steam, how dumb do you have to be to preorder it TODAY? Instant gratification/entitlement/lack of responsibility
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 21:36
|
|
|
Robot_Rumpus posted:Why do you care about the numerical score? I don't think anyone is mincing words, just read the reviews. Because someone, somewhere, didn't read the review and is going "Huh, 6/10 that doesn't sound bad, may as well pick it up since there's no PS4 games." This is why review score creep is bad. You know that 6/10 means 2/10, I know that, Joe Consumer probably doesn't and he just got hosed out of $50. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 21:51
|
|
|
Rudager posted:Good thing they got some small expensive foundry to make a replica of the in game bow out of aluminum. I support this because they're always going to have this expensive reminder of their failure hanging around the office.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:10
|
|
|
Rime posted:Because someone, somewhere, didn't read the review and is going "Huh, 6/10 that doesn't sound bad, may as well pick it up since there's no PS4 games." This is why review score creep is bad. I don't think its fair to call a mediocre game a scam
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:15
|
|
|
Despite how disappointing this game is going to be, they had a decent display of not-Garret's clothes and bow at PAX a few years ago. GOTY - 10/10
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:20
|
|
|
Pathos posted:Oh god why did I buy this I expect a full review from you after playing it through 100%.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:22
|
|
|
User0015 posted:I expect a full review from you after playing it through 100%. I fully intend to beat this game within a week so that I can have a clear palate for the sheer gloriousness that is the South Park game. So, yeah, I'll do my best to write up why I make terrible videogame decisions in this thread. Look forward to it!
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:23
|
|
|
Ludwig van Halen posted:I don't think its fair to call a mediocre game a scam When there are tons of embargos making sure as few people as possible know your game is mediocre shite, it can be called a scam without issue. Considering their last game they happily let people play a several hour long demo, it's pretty obvious they know this game sucks rear end and are hoping for the standard gamer retardation in order to get a bunch of early sales.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:23
|
|
|
Rudager posted:Money well spent! At least it has some level of material worth. Now someone needs to sneak into their offices and steal it.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:23
|
|
|
Errant Signal has a retrospective on the original (only?) Thief https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIhEtXPGzgs Pretty good, but he complains about Thieves Den being filler but it was actually added in Thief Gold as... filler. dishwasherlove fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Feb 24, 2014 |
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:25
|
|
|
Reading PC Gamer's review, I really don't get how it got a 79/100. They complain about lots of bugs and slowdown, how the narrative is a mess, how there are a bunch of wild swings in quality, how you need to bump up the difficulty and turn on almost the optional difficulty features for it to be a challenge, and then... C+/B-, good job Eidos! Like, even ignoring what I've seen of footage of the game, that score makes no sense next to the review accompanying it.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:42
|
|
|
Everyone who gave it a nonzero score is a shill. Nothing is sacred, not even videogames
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:46
|
|
|
It's not a joke when it is said that every big review site grades on a 7-10 scale.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:48
|
|
|
Harry Joe posted:When there are tons of embargos making sure as few people as possible know your game is mediocre shite, it can be called a scam without issue. Considering their last game they happily let people play a several hour long demo, it's pretty obvious they know this game sucks rear end and are hoping for the standard gamer retardation in order to get a bunch of early sales. What AAA game doesn't have an embargo these days? Most do, those that don't are the rareties these days.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:50
|
|
|
I personally like the RPS review which basically amounts to "This is a bland game with bad, gimmicky mechanics, quite a lot of bugs, and a garbage story. It's really good though." Ummmm.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:52
|
|
|
dishwasherlove posted:Errant Signal has a retrospective on the original (only?) Thief Feck the Thieves Guild. That level just went on and on, and I wasted 15 minutes before I realised you could cut down banners with the sword you never use.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:55
|
|
|
jBrereton posted:I personally like the RPS review which basically amounts to "This is a bland game with bad, gimmicky mechanics, quite a lot of bugs, and a garbage story. It's really good though." To be fair, his review is more "the game has problems, but drat I had fun playing it anyway". If that is accurate, then I'll be fairly happy with it. I don't have any silly notions that the first three games were masterpeices, but I enjoyed them. This doesn't have to be exactly like them for me to enjoy it.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 22:55
|
|
|
I mean I get that the 7-10 scale is pretty much a thing, but you'd think they'd at least pretend to justify giving it the same score they gave, using some recent examples, Dust and Arkham City, and only 1 point lower than Metal Gear Rising.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 23:04
|
|
|
Funso Banjo posted:What AAA game doesn't have an embargo these days? Most do, those that don't are the rareties these days. The vast majority of the really good ones don't have one because the devs know that seeing gameplay will only want to make others play it more. The reason more and more embargos happen is because more and more mediocre pieces of poo poo keep getting released as so called AAA games and the devs know the only way to make a lot of money on poo poo is to rely on sketchy marketing and the fact that gamers are among the dumbest types of consumers in the world.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 23:07
|
|
|
Andrast posted:Thief 4 is the worst kind of bad. The really boring kind. This is the saddest part. I was hoping for either a complete disaster or a good game but of course it falls somewhere in between and lands on not overly offensive and instantly forgettable.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 23:07
|
|
|
ITT: People argue that it's totally not a problem for game review write-ups to not be reflected in the numerical score they give a game, which is intended to be based off their written points. Also, anybody remember "Dark"? This game would be a complete flop without the Thief name, which is why people are saying it's not a good game. A mediocre game is not a good game, it is a mediocre game. A mediocre game with a budget and hype like Thief 4 is generally what people call "a failure", since I am pretty sure they were not spending all that money in the hopes of making a game that people wouldn't care about. Unless despite like 90% of reviewers hating it, and the negative buzz that's been circling it lately it still manages to be a huge selling game that brings in profit. Then it would be a successfully mediocre game.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 23:28
|
|
|
To be honest even if it were a poo poo Thief game I'd still have played it if they kept any semblance of the mythology from previous games. The City, Hammerites and Pagans were just so interesting that I was willing to take a lovely game to see more of that. Looks like it doesn't even have that. And it's not the kind of game where you could play drunk with a bunch of friends and mock how poo poo it is either.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 23:44
|
|
|
Here you go, a guard conversation about cock rings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY1KnQrKnOs
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 23:56
|
|
|
Mr. Fortitude posted:To be honest even if it were a poo poo Thief game I'd still have played it if they kept any semblance of the mythology from previous games. The City, Hammerites and Pagans were just so interesting that I was willing to take a lovely game to see more of that. Imagine a Thief 4 where you play as the girl Garrett adopts at the end of TDS. Garret is your mentor, and basically as present as Atrus was. The plot could revolve around the Hand Brotherhood stepping into the power vacuum left after the Hammers, Pagans, Mechanists and finally Keepers all imploded / were killed off. You'd check all the fanservice boxes AND get instant review pandering thanks to a strong female protagonist.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2014 23:58
|
|
|
I've played through the prologue and the first level so far on PC. Here are my thoughts: - This game is super pretty so far. The lighting engine is really good. It was cool to notice that Garrett's eyes take a minute to adjust when you go from a lit to a shadowy area. - The VA for Garrett isn't any worse than the last guy. - Guards show some interesting AI. For example, they will notice if you leave a chest open and seek you out. - NPCs will immediately reignite light sources. - There is an impressive amount of customization in the game, from a gameplay/HUD and graphics standpoint. Yes the FOV option is there. - lockpicking is a lot less annoying - I was running across a shingled roof and kicked something off. It could have been a shingle or maybe there was something else there. Regardless, it made a noise which I'm sure would have been noticed if there were guards in the area - Turning off all the "helpful" HUD stuff like objective markers, minimap, and focus mode makes this pretty immersive This game seems fun and good to me so far. I haven't noticed any significant load times or anything, and I've got this installed on a HDD. I did have SERIOUS slowdown in the first level during a rainstorm, just in a couple locations. The benchmark test showed me getting a solid 35+ FPS on average, so I don't know what could be causing that. I had most of my stuff set on high, and my rig isn't cutting edge, so I bumped shadows and textures down to normal while I'm in rainy levels.
|
|
#
?
Feb 25, 2014 00:01
|
|
|
f#a# posted:Here you go, a guard conversation about cock rings. This is another time that I'm very happy that Stephen Russell isn't doing any voices for this game.
|
|
#
?
Feb 25, 2014 00:02
|
|
|
http://www.pcgamer.com/review/thief-pc-review/ PCGUK, 79 percent. 'Good but flawed and short of being great'. Rime might have a heart attack on reading this, so I take no responsibility.
|
|
#
?
Feb 25, 2014 00:04
|
|
|
Robot_Rumpus posted:People here really want to get their hate on. Catastrophically bad would mean it won't start, or horrifically mangles your system in some way. It just seems like anywhere from an average to bad game. If a game is 'catastrophically bad' the reviews aren't what you are claiming, they are hilarious. What the gently caress sort of standards do you have when the only thing that qualifies as really bad is one that actively destroys your computer in some manner. Are your standards for a bad TV show only ones where you constantly see the boom mike dropping in to view and where the directors commentary plays at random during episodes? Is the only bad movie one where its out of focus the entire time? I just dont understand how people have gotten to the point where a game not only being poo poo but a huge step down from games made over a decade ago is somehow "Mediocre".
|
|
#
?
Feb 25, 2014 00:15
|
|
|
Rime posted:Imagine a Thief 4 where you play as the girl Garrett adopts at the end of TDS. Garret is your mentor, and basically as present as Atrus was. The plot could revolve around the Hand Brotherhood stepping into the power vacuum left after the Hammers, Pagans, Mechanists and finally Keepers all imploded / were killed off.
|
|
#
?
Feb 25, 2014 00:16
|
|
|
Debating cancelling my preorder on Steam. Anyone know how to actually do that? I'm really torn and disappointed. You'd think I'd have learned my lesson based on my last two preordered games: MOO3 and DX:IW. Yeah, I've got that kind of luck. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 25, 2014 00:16
|
|
|
Stop pre-ordering games, you are obviously cursing them to ruin by doing so.  Also, you'll have to contact Steam support, but from what I've heard they generally respond pretty quickly for stuff dealing with pre orders.
|
|
#
?
Feb 25, 2014 00:20
|
|
|
Yeah, it took me less than a day to get my pre-order of Front Mission Evolved refunded last minute, IIRC. Glad I dodged THAT bullet.
|
|
#
?
Feb 25, 2014 00:27
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 12, 2024 00:24 |
|
|
OAquinas posted:Debating cancelling my preorder on Steam. Anyone know how to actually do that? I still have Sword of the Stars 2 in my Steam library. It's there every time I open Steam, mocking me. Thi4f would, too, but SotS2 taught me that harsh lesson very well.
|
|
#
?
Feb 25, 2014 00:31
|
|
