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Red posted:Ah, yes - Kurt pulls down his straps, puts them back up, and immediately pulls them back down again, because he was that pissed off. It was definitely a WrestleMania match - either HBK or Eddie. I'm guessing HBK. I just saw a match where Kevin Nash did this each time he went for the jackknife and it was hilarious
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Speaking of heels, what ever happened to that Brodus turn in December? Or was it November...
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I read recently that the Main Event Playa is back in developmental.
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Ahh. The heel turn that made Xavier Woods a jobber, Brodus Clay a developmental wrestler, and Tensai a developmental announcer. So I guess t he big winner in that was Cameron?
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Bad timing on the Brodus heel turn because there's a few Outside the Ring shorts on the network that show him being a pretty cool guy. The commercial with the kids and the shark expedition thing. My questions after watching the full Wrestlemania 1 on the network livestream: Who the hell was the Masked Executioner? He was awful. Also, were the ropes always so lose back then? Guys were hitting them and they're just wobbling for days.
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Static Rook posted:
Buddy Rose.
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I'm reading through Bret Hart's book right now. It's really interesting, especially the Stampede stories, but does drag along a bit as he describes how every match he ever had was a classic and the best of the night. Anyway the question is, was/is there actual animosity between Bret and Dave Meltzer? He trashes him a few times throughout but it seems like he's a guy who would willingly talk to get himself more over.
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Bigass Moth posted:I'm reading through Bret Hart's book right now. It's really interesting, especially the Stampede stories, but does drag along a bit as he describes how every match he ever had was a classic and the best of the night. Bret was old school and didn't like guys from outside the industry exposing stuff. Then as Montreal neared and happened he realized that maybe it was good to have a voice in the industry that wasn't accountable to Vince or any other corrupt rear end in a top hat.
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I was watching No Holds Barred last night, and did Vince McMahon himself ADR the "Mister Brell says it's party time!" line?
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Bigass Moth posted:Anyway the question is, was/is there actual animosity between Bret and Dave Meltzer? He trashes him a few times throughout but it seems like he's a guy who would willingly talk to get himself more over.
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Mar 2, 2014 23:55
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Do wrestlers really care what the Observer says / rates their matches?
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Austin at least cared to some degree.
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Ironically, Bret Hart is a notable example of a wrestler who has said he was proud to be highly regarded by the Observer.
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Assuming they respect Meltzer's opinion its probably a decent way to gauge how your work is being received. Probably a smarter and less mind loving way to do it than scouring wrestling messageboards or Twitter. I doubt any of them use it as the basis of their self evaluation or worth or anything.
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Tanahashi has tweeted about how proud he was to be named Wrestler in the Year and in the Hall of Fame.
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Mar 3, 2014 00:43
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As others have said, plenty do on both sides of the Pacific. Elgin's ***** rating for his match with Davey Richards was actually mentioned in character by his manager Truth Martini.
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I presume Japanese fans (rightly) presume that the NJPW product is better than the WWE's and the work seems more "legit", but being that the WWE is undoubtedly larger and older, do they see the WWE or IWGP title as the more prestigious belt? I mean Kojima even seemed to have some respect for the NWA title though of course NJPW has more history with the southern promotions.
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epitasis posted:I presume Japanese fans (rightly) presume that the NJPW product is better than the WWE's and the work seems more "legit", but being that the WWE is undoubtedly larger and older, do they see the WWE or IWGP title as the more prestigious belt? I mean Kojima even seemed to have some respect for the NWA title though of course NJPW has more history with the southern promotions. The IWGP title is a bigger deal by far right now. WWE really isn't a big deal in Japan right now so the WWE title doesn't mean a whole lot. The NWA title played an important role in Japan so realistically Japan is the only place where it is seen as important anymore.
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epitasis posted:I presume Japanese fans (rightly) presume that the NJPW product is better than the WWE's and the work seems more "legit", but being that the WWE is undoubtedly larger and older, do they see the WWE or IWGP title as the more prestigious belt? I mean Kojima even seemed to have some respect for the NWA title though of course NJPW has more history with the southern promotions. Yottsume (Japanese wrestling fan with an English blog) has said that WWE has kinda a different fanbase in Japan from the domestic promotions without a lot of crossover.
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Abu Dave posted:Do wrestlers really care what the Observer says / rates their matches? Absolutely. Some may not be so quick to admit it but if they care about the bullshit WWE Hall of Fame then they care about Meltzer's ratings.
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Thauros posted:As others have said, plenty do on both sides of the Pacific. Frightmare actually had his rookie of the year award mentioned as part of his ring announcing for a while.
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Abu Dave posted:Do wrestlers really care what the Observer says / rates their matches? wrestlers make up a large amount of the people who read the printed version of the Observer
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Iskanderson posted:I was watching No Holds Barred last night, and did Vince McMahon himself ADR the "Mister Brell says it's party time!" line? You mean did he deliver it in a way that sucked all the heat out of the arena? 
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VogeGandire posted:He kayfabed his English-speaking ability all the time. He travelled with the Bashams, Cena and Funaki, and he'd constantly pretend to understand less English than he actually could, but then forget about it when they were drinking, so he'd become MORE fluent the more he had to drink. Kayfabing English is pretty common among Japanese wrestlers, according to Lance Storm. Watching that Tajiri/Holly match, it's kind of amazing how hyped the crowd is for a midcard match. You'd be hard-pressed to get a reaction like that in the main events these days.
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CombineThresher posted:Kayfabing English is pretty common among Japanese wrestlers, according to Lance Storm. I think part of it is Tajiri gets their attention. Dude is tiny but he loving commands respect.
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Abu Dave posted:Do wrestlers really care what the Observer says / rates their matches? Chris Benoit took it too seriously
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EugeneJ posted:Chris Benoit took it too seriously Benoit/Daniel - DUD. Squash match.
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nearly 7 years of these jokes
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Critical posted:Benoit/Daniel - DUD. Squash match.
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So with all this Ukraine and Russian stuff happening, does the WWE have a precedent of ever changing a gimmick of someone because of real life events, really obvious ones aside (Benoit)? Thinking about the Bulgarian Brute and if his gimmick will be toast.
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Abu Dave posted:So with all this Ukraine and Russian stuff happening, does the WWE have a precedent of ever changing a gimmick of someone because of real life events, really obvious ones aside (Benoit)? Thinking about the Bulgarian Brute and if his gimmick will be toast. If anything this is going to make an Eastern European heel seem more current and not a relic from the '80s.
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Sgt Slaughter did, yes? A heel turn during the first Iraq war?
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Iraqi Turncoat Sergeant Slaughter comes to mind. And Nikolai Volkoff becoming an American patriot when the Cold War ended.
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This might be the thing that gets him a real push.
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Abu Dave posted:So with all this Ukraine and Russian stuff happening, does the WWE have a precedent of ever changing a gimmick of someone because of real life events, really obvious ones aside (Benoit)? Thinking about the Bulgarian Brute and if his gimmick will be toast. There was the whole Undertaker/Muhammed Hassan terrorism attack thing during the London terrorist bombing. It made the WWE more or less drop Hassan from Smackdown, and then Hassan was let go.
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Matt Hardy got turned into a fat jobber because his brother smoked weed.
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I've been watching this match for like 10 minutes now and just realized it was wrestlemania edit: whoops, wrong thread. Brogeoisie fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Mar 3, 2014 |
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So uh, at GAB '89, Paul Heyman used a small baggy full for white powder to throw into Jim Cornette's face. ...was that supposed to be coke?
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I'm listening to today's free Wrestling Observer Live and Alvarez is saying CM Punk is definitely coming back tomorrow. How reliable is he? I very rarely listen to it.
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Who the hell is that following Roddy Piper to the ring at Halloween Havoc 96? It seems like he is accompanying Piper as a bodyguard to counter the Giant being with Hogan, but then the guy just disappears.
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