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Mr. Maltose posted:Yo, Winson. For that corn chowder recipe, do you use about a cup of corn to a cup of milk in the blend? I'm going to double it because family is over. I used a bag of frozen corn, but yeah that sounds about right. I might up the poblanos to three next time, it was a little on the light side this time through.
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fool_of_sound posted:So only people who are eloquent IRL can play charismatic characters? I run it exactly the same as you. Except without the rolls. There's no need to inject rules into conversations. Non-eloquent players can just say, "I'm going to scare him into giving me the sword" and if the situation seems to warrant that the guy should be scared, then it'll work. It's dumb that a hulking barbarian/war robot/glittering ball of crystal that shoots lasers that turn people into skeletons can fail to be intimidating because there are some rules somewhere that say they aren't. It's the same reason I don't prevent the players of low-intelligence or wisdom (where the hell is the dividing line between those, anyway) characters from having a go at riddles, or from working out what the plot is if it's non-obvious. It's stupid to let rules stop people from participating in the game. I'd be quite happy with all the mental stats evaporating out of the game entirely. 99% of the effect they have is "How magic are you?", so we could just have a "magic" stat and be done with it.
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Mar 3, 2014 23:05
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Cool, cool. I'll probably be dicking about with the recipe out of necessity but the corn part of corn chowder is kind of key.
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I've had some delicious black bean patties, but they are good because they don't even try to taste like a ground beef patty and instead pursue their own path to tasty satisfaction. You can't beat red meat at being red meat, stop trying. I'm more interested in something like the Torchbearer lambburger, but grinding up lamb/Burning Wheel to make a burger/retroclone is still sort if sacrilegious.
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Mar 3, 2014 23:06
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Mr. Maltose posted:Cool, cool. I'll probably be dicking about with the recipe out of necessity but the corn part of corn chowder is kind of key. Yeah. Also don't skimp on the bacon, try to get some decent flavorful bacon. The smokey sweet thing it has going on hangs out really well with the spice of the pepper and the sweet of the corn.
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Mar 3, 2014 23:09
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I've got the bacon lined up, and also some ham I cubed too much of making some thing or another. Trying to find a handy substitute to the poblanos, but it'll probably be just green chilis and ground cayenne. Maybe some cumin to bump the smoke up, probably a little tomato because corn and tomato go together well to my palate. Kind of pissed that I didn't pick up that bag of Yukon Golds I was eying at the grocery store, but russets will have to suffice.
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Mar 3, 2014 23:15
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More Mearls tweets:quote:
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Gau posted:I've had some delicious black bean patties, but they are good because they don't even try to taste like a ground beef patty and instead pursue their own path to tasty satisfaction. You can't beat red meat at being red meat, stop trying.
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I've had some pretty drat delicious mushroom burgers, but again that's a patty made of mushrooms and spices and stuff, not an attempt to recreate a meatburger out of fungus. Same for turkey burgers. You can make really good turkey burgers, but if you try to make them taste like beef burgers you're just going to end up with a gross-tasting turkey burger.
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Mar 3, 2014 23:48
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Nihilarian posted:Haven't had a chance to play it yet, but I'm a fan of Legend. If we are thinking of the same game, do games that emulate 3.X with dashes of 4e count as retro clones now? I'm not trying to be smug rear end or call you out, I'm legitimately curious if 3.X is old enough now to be retro. It is a decade old, I suppose. On the subject of Next, I'm a bit confused. I thought the classes that would be in PHB 1 were the ones that appeared in the playtest. Are they still adding new ones? I don't remember the Warlock in the playtest. They aren't trying to avoid the "where is my half-orc!?" complaints they got with 4e by just putting everything in PHB 1, are they? I mean I know that no one here would know for sure, but, to those keeping better track than me, does it seem that way? I hope not because, if they focus too much on quantity then quality will likely suffer (or so says my uneducated opinion).
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Mar 3, 2014 23:51
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Covok posted:They aren't trying to avoid the "where is my half-orc!?" complaints they got with 4e by just putting everything in PHB 1, are they?
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Mar 3, 2014 23:54
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Gort posted:There's no need to inject rules into conversations. Why do you need rules for combat, though? Can't a player just say "I slay the orc" and then the GM decides based on what's happening whether or not that's appropriate?
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Mar 3, 2014 23:54
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Gau posted:I've had some delicious black bean patties, but they are good because they don't even try to taste like a ground beef patty and instead pursue their own path to tasty satisfaction. You can't beat red meat at being red meat, stop trying.
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Mar 3, 2014 23:55
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Gort posted:There's no need to inject rules into conversations. I am pretty sure you aren't trolling, so I give permission for this dumbass derail because it is probably going to be funny. Splicer posted:I've had some pretty drat delicious mushroom burgers, but again that's a patty made of mushrooms and spices and stuff, not an attempt to recreate a meatburger out of fungus. Same for turkey burgers. You can make really good turkey burgers, but if you try to make them taste like beef burgers you're just going to end up with a gross-tasting turkey burger. Oh don't get me wrong, like a mushroom burger that is a cooked mushroom sandwich that is not trying to be a weak kneed version of a beef burger is great. It is the menus that put some lovely bean patty or a mushroom as a substitute for beef without actually like, giving a poo poo about it that piss me off.
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dwarf74 posted:This is going to sound weird, since I'm talking about my office's cafeteria, but I've recently discovered their chili black bean burgers. That, a nice slice of provolone, and a multigrain bun ... it's really really good. And part of that is, yeah, it's given up trying to be beef and instead just tries to be its delicious self. The secret to vegetarian cooking is to not try to be just like the meat version, but with no meat. For example, a lamb kebab but with a veggie patty instead (or just without anything in place of the lamb) is gonna be poo poo, but a felafel kebab is awesome. "I made vindaloo, but I put tofu in instead of beef" is stupid and foul. Proper veggie curries can be unbelievably good. There are exceptions, but they're all stuff where the flavor of the dish has little or nothing to do with the flavor of the meat. There's some kind of convoluted D&D analogy here, but gently caress if I can figure it out this early in the morning.
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Winson_Paine posted:It is the official position of the Next thread that veggie burgers loving suck. Veggie burgers suck as burgers but if anyone has a better spicy bean sandwich I'd love to hear about it.
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Mar 4, 2014 00:07
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Mash up spicy bean patties with picante sauce or salsa or whatever you want. add cheese. quarter tortills, fill and roll into cones. stick toothpicks through them to keep them in place lightly brush with melted Butter, bake 10 minutes, flip, bake ten more.
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Mar 4, 2014 00:11
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Splicer posted:They explicitly stated that everything that was in any PHB1 ever was going to be in the Next PHB no see the warlord is totally there it's a fighter subclass that totally counts guys shut up stop complaining lalalala we can't hear you Like legitimately they said that? So the classes are going to be Fighter, Bard, Cleric, Thief, Wizard, Sorcerer, Monk, Ranger, Paladin, Druid, Warlock, and Warlord? 12 classes? That's a bit overkill or atleast more than they have ever done before. I imagine the same with races? Which is equally overkill. I rather hope they don't continue this strategy for the inevitable PHB 2 and PHB 3. That's too many classes. As a quality over quantity guy, I'm not fan of this approach. Edit: I'm assuming this doesn't include subclasses like Assassin. Covok fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Mar 4, 2014 00:37
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Someone should do this with a sloppy-looking cheeseburger and just never change the one picture. Ticket to imgur superstardom. You're welcome.
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Covok posted:Like legitimately they said that? So the classes are going to be Fighter, Bard, Cleric, Thief, Wizard, Sorcerer, Monk, Ranger, Paladin, Druid, Warlock, and Warlord? 12 classes? That's a bit overkill or atleast more than they have ever done before. I imagine the same with races? Which is equally overkill. I rather hope they don't continue this strategy for the inevitable PHB 2 and PHB 3. That's too many classes. They may have said the same thing for races? I forget.
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Covok posted:Like legitimately they said that? So the classes are going to be Fighter, Bard, Cleric, Thief, Wizard, Sorcerer, Monk, Ranger, Paladin, Druid, Warlock, and Warlord? 12 classes? That's a bit overkill or atleast more than they have ever done before. I imagine the same with races? Which is equally overkill. I rather hope they don't continue this strategy for the inevitable PHB 2 and PHB 3. That's too many classes. It was originally said, and I think they did include races but I am not sure. That said they have backed off on it. They later made the claim that the classes would be in but might be just a subclass, which is where the Warlord got put last we heard. This is really the same number, plus 1, of classes as the 3.5 PHB. Adding the Warlock to the 3.5 list. We already have all but the Sorcerer and Warlock in the playtest so far. It sounds like they have been working on the Sorcerer and Warlock and those should presumably be done. So there is a pretty good chance they will be included in the PHB, though probably not the basic box. Of course the basic box is probably going to have Fighter, Cleric, Rogue and Wizard, with Human, Halfling, Dwarf and Elf as races. The basic box is probably also not going to have selectable subclasses or feats.
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AlphaDog posted:The secret to vegetarian cooking is to not try to be just like the meat version, but with no meat. There's some kind of convoluted D&D analogy here, but gently caress if I can figure it out this early in the morning. It's the same basic idea. Building a tasty meal out of a given list of ingredients requires you to figure out what is tasty about those ingredients, figure out how the different ingredients interact, and build from there. Making a game that's just like 2ed, but without the Gygaxian bullshit doesn't work for the same reasons that making a hamburger but without any ground beef doesn't work either. To make a good game you need to examine the game play that emerges from particular rules and rules interactions and figure out if that game play is a good fit for your overall design goals. Next is saying "I had a great time eating a meal at a greasy spoon once, and a really bad time eating a meal at a 5 star restaurant. So from here on out, I'm only going to eat in dingy poorly lit hovels." While ignoring that they only had a bad time at the 5 star place because they got drunk and vomited all over themselves.
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Covok posted:Like legitimately they said that? So the classes are going to be Fighter, Bard, Cleric, Thief, Wizard, Sorcerer, Monk, Ranger, Paladin, Druid, Warlock, and Warlord? 12 classes? That's a bit overkill or atleast more than they have ever done before. I imagine the same with races? Which is equally overkill. I rather hope they don't continue this strategy for the inevitable PHB 2 and PHB 3. That's too many classes. It's only more than they've ever done before by one. AD&D had 10 classes (11 if you count the weird proto-PrC Bard). 2nd ed had 9 classes (rolling "specialist wizard" into a single class like it does in the rulebook). 3rd ed had 11 again (12 if you count "specialist wizard" like you do in 2e, but 3e doesn't do that). 4th ed had 8.
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wallawallawingwang posted:Making a game that's just like 2ed, but without the Gygaxian bullshit doesn't work for the same reasons that making a hamburger but without any ground beef doesn't work either. e: though I may be misunderstanding what you mean by gygaxian bullshit. It's a broad term. Splicer fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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Oh, it's just by 1? Huh, for some reason I thought 12 was a lot more than the norm. Guess I have some egg on my face there.
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Splicer posted:I'd argue with this bit since it implies that Gygaxian bullshit = ground beef. The gygaxian bullshit more like some kind of horrible sauce that your local burger joint slathers on everything. It's not actually very good, but if you get rid of it completely rather than just vaguely ignoring it then the burger tastes dry and gross and all the fillings fall out when you bite into it. If you want to get all the things you like about the burger without the e-coli mayonnaise you're going to need to come up with a similarly moistening but less horrible sauce or use better quality beef or invent a whole new kind of bun or something. And even if you do come up with an objectively superior burger that does absolutely everything anyone could possibly want from a burger, the absolute, platonic ideal of Burgerdom, someone's still going to complain that it's not as good as the old burger because it'll never live up to their memories of being 19 and hungover eating lovely burgers with their friends at 3am. That's a good point! The key here is that gygaxian bullshit sauce, in addition to being a thing in itself, also interacts (for good or ill) with the bun, lettuce, onion, tomato, meat and everything else. To torture this metaphor a bit more not everyone likes the same kind of burger, or always wants the same kind of burger every time they get one. That doesn't mean a restaurant can't serve multiple kinds of burgers but it does mean at least two things. One, if you make a mean green chile burger, but tell people its a bacon and bleu cheese, it doesn't matter how good it is customers will still be mad at you for misleading them. Two, if you tell people that your totally plain burger can be anything they want it to be with the addition of condiments, or sandwich modules if you will, then you ought to be showcasing those condiments from the beginning and providing some ideas about which condiments go with which. Edit: I didn't have any particular gygax-burger part in mind when I wrote that. What I did have in mind was the creation of 3rd ed. Where a lot of choices were seemingly made without fully accounting how the various rules work together. Unifying the resolution mechanic was good, but it also stripped out things like the partial success/failure you could get from the 2d6+CHR mod reaction roll table, or the little caveats for things like lock-picking which stated you could only try once a level, which prevented you from just trying again and again until you rolled a 20, or how the the non-weapon proficiencies worked totally differently from class skills because they did very different things in the game. It's not that any of those are necessarily the best way or even a good way to handle things, just that they had ripple effects on the other rules which the switch to 3.X never accounted for. wallawallawingwang fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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moths posted:Veggie burgers suck as burgers but if anyone has a better spicy bean sandwich I'd love to hear about it. Spicy bean with some kind of meat next to it.
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Going to try that thing I AM THE MOON posted. It looks perfect.
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moths posted:Going to try that thing I AM THE MOON posted. It looks perfect. i measure Deliciousness in bites-until-grandma-is-harassing-me-for-the-recipe, and uh, let's just say those rate a fairly loving low number
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Covok posted:Oh, it's just by 1? Huh, for some reason I thought 12 was a lot more than the norm. Guess I have some egg on my face there. For all the hate that veggie burgers get, last week I ate a meat burger that was worse than the worst veggie burger I ever had. Worst veggie burger I ever had was bland, but this burger I had last week tasted like cardboard and the bun was like a soggy sponge, all topped with a piece of "cheese" that doesn't deserve the name.
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I AM THE MOON posted:i measure Deliciousness in bites-until-grandma-is-harassing-me-for-the-recipe, and uh, let's just say those rate a fairly loving low number
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I know this is a dumb question, but what the gently caress was ORIGINALLY happening in this GIF?
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EDIT: That can't possibly be right. The video is way out of whack. PantsOptional fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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WINSON CORN CHOWDER TRIP REPORT: poo poo owns, y'all. Doubled everything to feed 6 people, threw in some cayenne and cumin to round out the flavor profile. I topped each bowl with a bit of shredded cheddar and everything came together wonderfully. EDIT: One thing I wouldn't do next time is throwing in that diced ham. Didn't cook down quite like I wanted it.
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Mar 4, 2014 03:51
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Winson_Paine posted:Glorious trolling Shine on you crazy diamond. 
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Gau posted:I know this is a dumb question, but what the gently caress was ORIGINALLY happening in this GIF? Vince is giving Stacy Kiebler a job interview. http://youtu.be/b2J3TY7KVvk
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Gau posted:I know this is a dumb question, but what the gently caress was ORIGINALLY happening in this GIF? 
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Speaking of meat vs. meat-substitute chatter, I'm looking to find another place that sells non-factory farm meat besides the current (out of the way) one. Does kosher/kashrut or halal meat generally fit that bill or no? Otherwise I can survive by eating vegetarian but when my GM cooks dinner for our weekly game sessions I'd like to give him a bit more leeway. He's gluten-intolerant and another member is lactose-intolerant, so we're already working with two dietary constraints and I'd prefer to keep that number down.
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Covok posted:Oh, it's just by 1? Huh, for some reason I thought 12 was a lot more than the norm. Guess I have some egg on my face there. Well... sorta. AD&D had "subclasses". You said before you'd think of Assassin as a subclass. If you're looking at AD&D then that would mean that druid, paladin, etc were also subclasses. AD&D treats them as distinct classes, but on a few of the tables they're "subbed" to the closest "main" class (rangers and paladins under Fighter, for example). Except Monks which are entirely their own thing and Bards which are like a multi/dual/prestige class... thing... which appears in its own appendix. So the "main" classes, which get their own headings, were Fighter, Magic-User, Thief, Cleric, and Monk. Bard's in an appendix, and the others (ranger, paladin, druid, assassin, illusionist) are subclasses of the first four. AD&D was weird. e: For clarity, they're not subclasses in any way that matters - they get their own progression tables, titles, etc. It's more of a proto-powersource way to divide classes up. Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Mar 4, 2014 |
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