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Endorph posted:I'd say 'of course they kill the only black guy,' but Eureka Seven and Turn-A actually make that not the case. Also Aquarion. Pierre.
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Dr Pepper posted:To be fair, rendering it unusable was enough I guess. I can't help but wonder what kind of insane madman thought that a bomb that tears apart time and space would be a good idea for a superweapon. I mean, it works, but it does its job way too well. And...uh...yeah. That happened. You know, with the dimensional rifts and stuff going on earlier, I thought that the bomb had already gone off. Shows what I know.
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Mar 6, 2014 06:26
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sunburnedcrow posted:Erm, what just happened? They broke the universe. Kei detonated a Time-Space Oscellation bomb, which basically tore through the multiverse because it was a bomb that BLEW UP TIME-SPACE and then Touma came down to gently caress with Aquarion, Which remember, the Turn-A and King Gainer recognize, despite the fact that Aquarion is from another world entirely. And, for a brief moment, Rand could see into the world Setsuko was in.
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sunburnedcrow posted:Erm, what just happened? In two separate universes a crazy series of events happened to cause an insane multi-universal apocalypses. A bomb that does weird things to space-time was set off at the exact moment a bunch of crazy angel beings cast a spell to bring about the end of the world, presumably to make a new one.
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Dr Pepper posted:In two separate universes a crazy series of events happened to cause an insane multi-universal apocalypses. Although worth noting is that neither world was all that stable, and both were jumping in stuff before hand. this just... well... Broke the world.
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Mar 6, 2014 06:34
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Dr Pepper posted:In two separate universes a crazy series of events happened to cause an insane multi-universal apocalypses. If that is what needs to happen for Harry Ord and Quattro to talk to each other, I am totally okay with this.
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Mar 6, 2014 06:46
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Onmi posted:Although worth noting is that neither world was all that stable, and both were jumping in stuff before hand. Yeah I was kinda wondering how the warps were happening if the world's only just now breaking. Oh, and RIP Denzel. I figured your mech blowing up was just one of those "Look at the cool new guy" things and you'd eject like everyone in the game does upon mech explosion, but oh well. I guess Glory Star will have to develop a new "pour a forty on the ground" squad attack.
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Mar 6, 2014 07:30
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TwoPair posted:Yeah I was kinda wondering how the warps were happening if the world's only just now breaking. It's Space-TIME that got blown up. Effect doesn't necessarily follow cause when you screw with time enough. That's my guess, anyway.
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I always figured Denzel was Indian. But yeah. Also, screw all y'all, Kentaroh Haneda's music is awesome as hell.
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Zurai posted:It's Space-TIME that got blown up. Effect doesn't necessarily follow cause when you screw with time enough. That's my guess, anyway. Yeah, all the time-space warping that was going on beforehand was probably a side effect of the bomb that went off just now, echoing back through time because its just kicking reality's rear end that hard.
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Zurai posted:It's Space-TIME that got blown up. Effect doesn't necessarily follow cause when you screw with time enough. That's my guess, anyway. No this would make a lot of sense. If you think of time as a dimension similar to space, the closer to the point of detonation the stronger the effects of the blast are. So just like the closer to a bomb you get the hotter and stronger the blast back become, so to would the same apply to time. So the effects becoming greater in intensity to the detonation make sense. Of course the logical progression of that thinking is that moving away from it the effects should lesson, but in this case I don't think that will happen. Or the world being broken will cause other effects.
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Denzel  I guess it was inevitable, his conversation with Setsuko and Toby was basically a death flag. Also, this situation sort-of reminds me of Infinite Crisis, with Superboy (or Aquarion, in this case) punching reality so hard that it breaks.
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Mikl posted:Also, this situation sort-of reminds me of Infinite Crisis, with Superboy (or Aquarion, in this case) punching reality so hard that it breaks. I really hope that this happens in the 3rd Aquarion series, with Aquarion learning Continuity Punch and erasing the second half of EVOL from our minds 
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vibratingsheep posted:I really hope that this happens in the 3rd Aquarion series, with Aquarion learning Continuity Punch and erasing the second half of EVOL from our minds You and I both  
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Hey was that the explosion from the opening cinematic?
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Herr Tog posted:Hey was that the explosion from the opening cinematic? Maybe.
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Onmi posted:Maybe. So the real
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Mikl posted:Denzel poo poo man, that was like he was at the Winter Olympics doing the Death Slalom and clipped every damned flag he could on the way down. Dark and mysterious did him a favour before he started talking about the nice boat he'd had his eyes on buying that he'd love to show them all once he retired.
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Oh lord. Ripping a hole in the universe to protect a strategic asset? Disproportionate response, anyone?
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Glazius posted:Oh lord. Ripping a hole in the universe to protect a strategic asset? Disproportionate response, anyone? You might be in the wrong series if you're looking for proper proportions. This is Super Robot Wars, not Reasonable Robot Wars. I mean, if Z3 does even half of what we're thinking it will, it will involve commandeering the moon to fight the Anti-Spiral, then turning Jupiter into a Black Hole Bomb and setting it off in deep space. The villains need to think bigger, if anything! vibratingsheep fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Mar 7, 2014 |
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Now I can't remember how they dealt with Shin Getter Armageddon's ending, they didn't go all the way to Jupiter in Z2.2 did they? (Sorry if the spoilers aren't needed, but I figure people might read Z2 after this and if Caphi gets around to Z2.2 it becomes relevant)
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Glazius posted:Oh lord. Ripping a hole in the universe to protect a strategic asset? Disproportionate response, anyone?
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Out of curiosity, is Kei really so stupid that he thought he could outrun a bomb named more or less, "erase all existence"? Or is there even a remotely good explanation for why flipping that switch could seem even remotely a good idea? Did he figure that losing the elevator for a few minutes before the colony drop made the whole battle pointless was just too big a risk? A self-destruct nuke is one thing; a black hole bomb is entirely another.
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thetruegentleman posted:Out of curiosity, is Kei really so stupid that he thought he could outrun a bomb named more or less, "erase all existence"? Or is there even a remotely good explanation for why flipping that switch could seem even remotely a good idea? Except, things went way, WAY worse here than they did in Orguss proper.
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thetruegentleman posted:Out of curiosity, is Kei really so stupid that he thought he could outrun a bomb named more or less, "erase all existence"? Or is there even a remotely good explanation for why flipping that switch could seem even remotely a good idea? What makes you think he even knew what a "Time-Space Oscellation Bomb" even did? It's not like its as standard weapon in the soldiers kit. And remember, the bomb helped, but it wouldn't have done what it did if not for... several factors. In regular Orguss this was nowhere near as bad.
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Onmi posted:What makes you think he even knew what a "Time-Space Oscellation Bomb" even did? It's not like its as standard weapon in the soldiers kit. See, that's the thing: even if you only break down the words, it obviously means, "something that makes reality as we know it break". It's true, of course, that Macross breaks physics like clay pigeons at an NRA festival, but to stop a few squads of daggers from taking a single space elevator? Seriously? You blow space time for THAT?
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Technically, "Space-Time Oscillation" just means you're making space-time vibrate, not necessarily breaking it. And, well, who the hell could have predicted making time vibrate causes the entire multiverse to poo poo itself? I mean, it's obvious that any kind of bomb will do Bad Things in its general vicinity, and one prefixed with "Space-Time" anything is a whole new step up, but still.
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Zurai posted:Technically, "Space-Time Oscillation" just means you're making space-time vibrate, not necessarily breaking it. And, well, who the hell could have predicted making time vibrate causes the entire multiverse to poo poo itself? I mean, it's obvious that any kind of bomb will do Bad Things in its general vicinity, and one prefixed with "Space-Time" anything is a whole new step up, but still. Also, he's a soldier, and he's desperate. It's not like Kei studied his physics and sciences or bothered to look them up. How often does "Bomb that vibrates time and space" come up? I mean for gods sake his plane has LEGS that's probably blowing his mind.
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Kei's squad had orders to use the bomb to render the elevator inoperable if necessary to keep it from the Pacifics. It wasn't exactly his decision other than to judge that they were completely overwhelmed, which they were.
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Caphi posted:Kei's squad had orders to use the bomb to render the elevator inoperable if necessary to keep it from the Pacifics. It wasn't exactly his decision other than to judge that they were completely overwhelmed, which they were. I don't want to go too far arguing the point, but I've never watched Orguss, so I just want to know this: is Kei supposed to be an extremely dedicated soldier for being willing to sacrifice himself using a WMD like that, or is there actually a really good reason to blow the elevator (that he would actually know about, as opposed to a spoiler)? Alternatively, is he just rage-crazy like Shinn? I don't really remember Macross outside of parts of the first series and Frontier, so I'd like to know (assuming Kei's plot is going to matter at all.) Except the Minmay Defence. I DEFINITELY remember that...
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thetruegentleman posted:I don't want to go too far arguing the point, but I've never watched Orguss, so I just want to know this: is Kei supposed to be an extremely dedicated soldier for being willing to sacrifice himself using a WMD like that, or is there actually a really good reason to blow the elevator (that he would actually know about, as opposed to a spoiler)? Alternatively, is he just rage-crazy like Shinn? I don't really remember Macross outside of parts of the first series and Frontier, so I'd like to know (assuming Kei's plot is going to matter at all.) That's the second time you've brought up Macross... you know aside from similar design the two shows have nothing to do with each other plot-wise, right? Orguss is its own beast.
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thetruegentleman posted:I don't want to go too far arguing the point, but I've never watched Orguss, so I just want to know this: is Kei supposed to be an extremely dedicated soldier for being willing to sacrifice himself using a WMD like that, or is there actually a really good reason to blow the elevator (that he would actually know about, as opposed to a spoiler)? Alternatively, is he just rage-crazy like Shinn? I don't really remember Macross outside of parts of the first series and Frontier, so I'd like to know (assuming Kei's plot is going to matter at all.) Well this isn't Macross, it's ORGUSS. And no, Kei doesn't think he's sacrificing himself at all, he honestly believes he'll manage to get the gently caress out. He's not rage-crazy, I don't think he's particularly dedicated, and these guys did kill most of his comrades/they are at war and a Space Elevator is kind of a big asset. Consider in this game that the EA replaces the typical Orguss enemies and remember that the EA is batshit genocidal maniacs. Would you want them to have the Space Elevator?
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Onmi posted:Well this isn't Macross, it's ORGUSS. And no, Kei doesn't think he's sacrificing himself at all, he honestly believes he'll manage to get the gently caress out. He's not rage-crazy, I don't think he's particularly dedicated, and these guys did kill most of his comrades/they are at war and a Space Elevator is kind of a big asset. Aye, in the show Kei also decided to activate the bomb so the lives of his dead comrades wouldn't have been wasted. The problem is, the bomb is protected against random fiddling and, since he doesn't know what he's doing, it just blows up right then and there.
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Son Ryo posted:That's the second time you've brought up Macross... you know aside from similar design the two shows have nothing to do with each other plot-wise, right? Orguss is its own beast. Thank you, I actually didn't. the whole "Super Dimension" naming scheme confuses me to no end; all the more so since it was technically Robotech I was watching, not Macross. In my defense though, a jet with legs that shoots missiles should be a lot more distinct than it apparently is. Onmi posted:Consider in this game that the EA replaces the typical Orguss enemies and remember that the EA is batshit genocidal maniacs. Would you want them to have the Space Elevator? Well, the terrorists are almost certainly Blue Cosmos, so under ordinary circumstances I'd blow it up. But during a colony drop? I don't know: I kind of assume the people of the SEED universe don't generally think of Blue Cosmos as comically evil. That being the case, I'd figure that Blue Cosmos would want to use the bomb to stop the colony drop by sending it up the space elevator or something (assuming that is actually possible), if only because its hard to have a pure blue earth when a quarter of it is covered in dust. That said, if Earth's people had half a brain, then no one would let Blue Cosmos OR the Earth Alliance do anything ever, since neither entity has proven even remotely functional. thetruegentleman fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Mar 8, 2014 |
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thetruegentleman posted:Thank you, I actually didn't. the whole "Super Dimension" naming scheme confuses me to no end; all the more so since it was technically Robotech I was watching, not Macross. Truth be told, Orguss WAS slated to be the 3rd show/season of Robotech but, for whatever reason, they decided to get Mospeada.
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thetruegentleman posted:Thank you, I actually didn't. the whole "Super Dimension" naming scheme confuses me to no end; all the more so since it was technically Robotech I was watching, not Macross. Southern Cross isn't actually related to Macross either for that matter, Robotech just crammed them together.
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The three "Super Dimension" series are related inasmuch as they were all done by Studio Nue and shared much of their staff between them. And also all feature transforming mecha, of course.
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Wounded Land posted:The three "Super Dimension" series are related inasmuch as they were all done by Studio Nue and shared much of their staff between them. And also all feature transforming mecha, of course. Well, of course. I just meant that none of them take place in the same universe, have any of the same characters, or are related plot-wise.
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