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SickZip posted:I'm far from bitter I think everyone here can tell that this isn't true. thexerox123 fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Mar 11, 2014 |
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SickZip posted:He was the primary on 5, which is the same as NDT, so I don't get your point? That NGT worked at a pretty normal level as a post doc so your comparing his publishing record to professors is unfounded as he then left to work at the museum he now helps run. He did not become a research professor that published tons of papers so criticizing his output seems strange.
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Mar 11, 2014 20:00
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SickZip posted:He was the primary on 5, which is the same as NDT, so I don't get your point? It's ok for someone with a low publication record to host science shows and do science outreach. It won't hurt you, I promise.
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Mar 11, 2014 20:02
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SickZip posted:Take Obama's praise for science and yada yada at the beginning, I find it vaguely insulting that he pretends to care and value science while he's also complicit in cutting science budgets to the bone. I'm a postdoc in academia and I don't disagree with this. But what do you want? A camera crew following jerk offs like me around, filming us while we write doomed grants and bang our heads against the wall trying to get difficult experiments to half-way-sort-of work? It's about generating public interest and raising general scientific literacy. Maybe funding can start from the ground up. People certainly used to think more highly of the space program and science in general in decades past. And talking about the publication record of someone whose job is basically a popular science figure, whose main goal is communicating with the general public, is pretty stupid. FWIW I watched this last night and enjoyed it, I don't really get why this argument is needed. edit: should I attach my CV to this post? I want to be taken seriously! Drunkboxer fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Mar 11, 2014 |
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Mar 11, 2014 20:08
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No one gives a poo poo about some random dorks in lab coats giving a boring science lecture no matter how much more "qualified" or whatever they are than NDT. Ya know what was cool? When he flew his made up spaceship around the planets and gave little neat blurbs about each one. Like the ones where we got a neat upwards shot from the planet's surface of the ship flying through Venus and Jupiter
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Mar 11, 2014 20:10
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Drunkboxer posted:I'm a postdoc in academia and I don't disagree with this. But what do you want? A camera crew following jerk offs like me around, filming us while we write doomed grants and bang our heads against the wall trying to get difficult experiments to half-way-sort-of work? It's about generating public interest and raising general scientific literacy. Maybe funding can start from the ground up. People certainly used to think more highly of the space program and science in general in decades past. Ahaha, the quickest way to make science funding disappear and be violently opposed by the general public would be to show Joe and Jane Public the inner workings of academia.
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Mar 11, 2014 20:17
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Macaluso posted:No one gives a poo poo about some random dorks in lab coats giving a boring science lecture no matter how much more "qualified" or whatever they are than NDT. The visual of the storm on Jupiter owns bones. I kinda wish they spent more time on the planets, and hope they come back to it. Mercury and Uranus were basically, "gently caress this guy, onto the next planet!"
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Mar 11, 2014 20:18
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Robotnik Nudes posted:I'm glad this show has sparked a lively debate over whether it's ok to burn heretics and deliberately misrepresent things you saw because you don't want your internet rivals to ever be acknowledged. 
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Mar 11, 2014 20:26
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Drifter posted:Ahaha, the quickest way to make science funding disappear and be violently opposed by the general public would be to show Joe and Jane Public the inner workings of academia. Yeah that's what I'm saying, if I wasn't clear.
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Mar 11, 2014 20:26
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:The visual of the storm on Jupiter owns bones. Lol gently caress uranus
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Mar 11, 2014 20:31
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Bill Nye is also not a scientist, he is an engineer that designed plane parts for Boeing. Science has suffered from a lack of charismatic champions that can educate the masses. There is a reason Alan Alda started a program to educate scientists and how to communicate science. This is the reason we are talking about this exact show right now, here in this thread. Seth MacFarlane ran into NdT lecturing at one of these get togethers and they booked a lunch. He said "How can I help Science"? NdT told him about the potential Cosmos reboot. Now we have science and rational thought populism in 170 countries in 45 languages. All quibbles aside, this is an amazing thing.
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Mar 11, 2014 20:32
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greatn posted:Lol gently caress uranus He flew by it really quickly, saying it the non-funny way. I thought you were executive producer Seth MacFarlane?!
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Mar 11, 2014 20:45
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MeLKoR posted:I'm glad this thread continues the long tradition of deliberately misrepresenting things you read because you don't want your internet rivals to ever be acknowledged. No u
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Mar 11, 2014 20:56
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SickZip posted:I don't respect anyone as a scientist who barely has more published papers then my own lovely abbreviated scientific career. There's a gigantic gap in actual scientific credentials between NDT and the old school science popularizers like Sagan or Feynman. He's Bill Nye for near adults and fundamentally he's become the face of science in America through a combination of relentless self-promotion, media savvy, and "science" memes. Is he an actual distinguished scientist? No. Does he have insights to contribute besides microwaved Sagan leftovers? No. Is he an okay communicator? Yeah but I've know plenty of scientists who were equally willing and able to talk passionately about science. lol, I wasn't sure if anybody sincerely held the absurd anti-NDT sentiment I was parodying with my post. Thank you for making it real. Sorry NDT fans, it turns out that NDT doesn't have enough journal citations to be allowed to inspire you. Please cease being inspired immediately.
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Mar 11, 2014 21:00
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Look, all this quibbling about papers and what "scientist" means aside, there's one thing I think we can all agree that it could have been worse and had Kaku narrating.
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Mar 11, 2014 21:24
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I wanna see more of that spaceship. Where does NDT sleep and poop?
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Mar 11, 2014 21:25
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The big hole in the floor, duh.
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Mar 11, 2014 21:25
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Unmature posted:I wanna see more of that spaceship. Where does NDT sleep and poop? The miracle of the ship is that if you need to sleep you immediately appear back in your own bed and poop in your own toilet.
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Mar 11, 2014 21:28
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Sash! posted:Look, all this quibbling about papers and what "scientist" means aside, there's one thing I think we can all agree that it could have been worse and had Kaku narrating. Actually, you're wrong. Michio Kaku has a significantly higher H-index than Neil deGrasse Tyson, so therefore he would be a better host of Cosmos.
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Mar 11, 2014 21:43
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haveblue posted:The big hole in the floor, duh. Which is a time portal into SickZip's past.
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Mar 11, 2014 21:46
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You guys are actually not understanding why he's so mad. You didn't see the first draft of the show where Tyson said 'we are all made up of stars, except for SickZip, he's made up of bitch'.
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Mar 11, 2014 21:59
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Where did this "Obama was responsible for cutting science budgets" meme come from?SickZip posted:I don't respect anyone as a scientist who barely has more published papers then my own lovely abbreviated scientific career.
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Mar 11, 2014 22:13
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justsomedude posted:Actually, you're wrong. Michio Kaku has a significantly higher H-index than Neil deGrasse Tyson, so therefore he would be a better host of Cosmos. He'd get all down some weird futurist thing that distracts everyone from his real science while he dresses like a rock star from the future. poo poo maybe he is from the future and that's why he knows what he knows. Hazo posted:Where did this "Obama was responsible for cutting science budgets" meme come from? It's partially true. Everyone is complicit in it. President, Congress, the individual agencies, administrative sections of agencies. There's only so much pie and every slice gets angry when it's not the biggest slice, even if their silence is of questionable value in the first place and takes away from other slices that probably could be bigger. Sash! fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Mar 11, 2014 |
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Mar 11, 2014 22:41
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Macaluso posted:He flew by it really quickly, saying it the non-funny way. I thought you were executive producer Seth MacFarlane?! Just rewatch Freakazoid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMOeV5MLOvc
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Mar 11, 2014 22:45
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justsomedude posted:He's not a real scientist, he's good at talking to people, and everyone knows that no real scientists can be bothered to talk down to the norms. If a real scientist hosted Cosmos, the pilot would've been a speed course in the calculus of variations and partial differential equations so that the audience would be prepared to understand the second episode, A Mathematical Description of Spacetime Manifolds. Why are you so spiteful? Why can't you just admire that this new series is the biggest leap in over a decade to get 'plebes' interested in space and science. 
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Mar 11, 2014 22:46
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Imapanda posted:Why are you so spiteful? Why can't you just admire that this new series is the biggest leap in over a decade to get 'plebes' interested in space and science. lol. Are you serious?
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Mar 11, 2014 22:50
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Hazo posted:Where did this "Obama was responsible for cutting science budgets" meme come from? It's not accurate, but we are in one of the worst funding climates ever, and the sequester cuts are looming. It's a rough time to break into academic research. Drunkboxer fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Mar 11, 2014 |
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Mar 11, 2014 22:58
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Imapanda posted:Why are you so spiteful? Why can't you just admire that this new series is the biggest leap in over a decade to get 'plebes' interested in space and science. You can still save this. Just discreetly replace justsomedude's post with SickZip's.
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Mar 11, 2014 22:59
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Saw it and loved it, but I did get a distinct tone of the show preaching to the choir. I know this thread has argued about the Bruno story already, and while I didn't have a problem with Tyson's telling of it, I did have a problem with the show's production of it. They animated all the religious officials as antagonistic (shrouded in shadow, long faces, throwing tomatoes) and crafted the music to match. I get that the parable was meant more as a testament to how we should keep an open mind, and that if you're trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator then you need to telegraph who the "bad guy" is, but it got Christianity all sorts of tangled up in that, to the point where I'm certain that a key target audience for the show--those who are skeptical of this stuff--immediately tuned out.
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Mar 11, 2014 23:05
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Is there anything worse in the world than "You aren't a real XYZ" arguments? I'm a writer who's written several screenplays and has had a few low level meetings about my work. I've also done some freelance work on cultural criticism (for wannabe AV Club sites). And yet I'm always being accused that I'm not a "real writer" because I haven't been published in a literary magazine that is likely read by five people on a good month. And this whole "Tyson isn't a real scientist, man" debate reeks of similar bullshit. Degrees and papers and annotations and all the rest certainly correlate to being an expert, but a scientist is anyone who has a loving interest in science. And anyone who thinks that Cosmos could have been made without Tyson's clout in today's market has lost their goddamn minds. Tyson is GREAT at simplifying concepts into easily digestible words that still maintain the majority of the original meaning. He's also reasonably charismatic. You know, things you would want in a television HOST.
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Mar 11, 2014 23:12
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f#a# posted:Saw it and loved it, but I did get a distinct tone of the show preaching to the choir. I'm not sure about this. For one, the vast majority of "science-haters" in this country are fundamentalist Protestants, who, if anything, would applaud the Bruno sequence for making the Catholic Church look bad (never mind the fact that the Protestants did the exact same poo poo at the time). Yes, you have your Bill Donohues and Rick Santora out there who hold to creationism and geocentrism and whatnot, but most of them don't watch TV to begin with (or at least claim not to).
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Mar 11, 2014 23:50
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SickZip posted:I don't respect anyone as a scientist who barely has more published papers then my own lovely abbreviated scientific career. There's a gigantic gap in actual scientific credentials between NDT and the old school science popularizers like Sagan or Feynman. He's Bill Nye for near adults and fundamentally he's become the face of science in America through a combination of relentless self-promotion, media savvy, and "science" memes. Is he an actual distinguished scientist? No. Does he have insights to contribute besides microwaved Sagan leftovers? No. Is he an okay communicator? Yeah but I've know plenty of scientists who were equally willing and able to talk passionately about science. You seem like a real fun dude to hang out with. I can just imagine a night out with a group of friends....and you. "gently caress our waitress, God! She looks like she's been waiting tables all of three weeks. My sister is a real waitress and could wait tables around this phony. I bet I waited more tables during one summer in high school than this bitch! *spits beer out* "I can't respect a microbrew that has such mass distribution to so many different bars. What a farce! When I was in college we had real microbrews! Look at that fake hipster, he's got real lenses in his glasses, I've known tons of real hipsters." Tatum Girlparts posted:You guys are actually not understanding why he's so mad. You didn't see the first draft of the show where Tyson said 'we are all made up of stars, except for SickZip, he's made up of bitch'. I really hope this version is in the deleted scenes.
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Mar 12, 2014 00:47
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As someone who loved the original Cosmos as a child and worships Carl Sagan, the bit at the end where NDT met him as a teenager was very touching. But for someone who has never heard of Sagan before, it kinda makes him look like a pedophile.
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Mar 12, 2014 01:07
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Alright so now that NdTs validity as a scientist has been called into question, can someone please say whether or not the next day broadcasts on Nat Geo contain additional footage?
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Mar 12, 2014 03:07
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Bill Nye made an impact on my childhood and my understanding of science at that time. Discovering that he is not a scientist, according to SickZip I should not respect him anymore, correct? Should I go and advocate Young Earth Creationism now? Serious talk, this was really fun and I am eagerly awaiting the rest of the series.
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Mar 12, 2014 04:11
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Drunkboxer posted:It's not accurate, but we are in one of the worst funding climates ever, and the sequester cuts are looming. It's a rough time to break into academic research.
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Mar 12, 2014 04:49
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I thought the first episode was poorly made. The editing, shots away from Neil's face when he's mid sentence, graphics making it unclear as to the point he's trying to make etc. Without changing the dialogue, with better visuals they could have made it clearer for children. Although i didn't learn anything new, it felt like i had to have a total knowledge of it all to understand what was going on. Damo posted:People complaining about how this show isn't telling them anything they don't know don't realize this isn't written for people who are avid readers or students of science, but for laymen who generally don't expose themselves to poo poo like this. That's my problem with it. The visuals and editing didn't make it clear and easy to understand. It was rambling collection of stuff poorly explained. nimh fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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Mar 12, 2014 05:42
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PassTheRemote posted:Bill Nye made an impact on my childhood and my understanding of science at that time. Discovering that he is not a scientist, according to SickZip I should not respect him anymore, correct? Should I go and advocate Young Earth Creationism now? 
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MeLKoR posted:So yeah, the Inquisition was poo poo but the population was even more fanatic and intolerant than the Inquisition. At the end of the day the Church of the time was a largely secular institution trying to rein in a bag full of cats and preventing them from literally murdering each other in the streets. Bad for business. I wonder who could have possibly made the population so fanatic and intolerant in the first place. 
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I'd watch NDT do his taxes, and I intend on watching every episode of this, but I just really wish they hadn't worked in the 'your god is too small' line. Of the vast majority of the 'faithful' in the country who weren't intending on watching this to begin with, lines like that convince the ones on the fence to fall back into their comfort zone, and *not* get their kids to watch, which I'm guessing was the intent in putting it after Simpsons and Family Guy.
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