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That's some beefy looking armour! I'm in the market for some chain-guns to use for conversion purposes - are there any chain-gun equipped troops that would be better of without them army list-wise, or at least viable enough that the models aren't going to waste if given some third-party basic rifles instead?
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Love that new tomcat doc. Just love tomcats in general. Good models, cool idea, wicked helmets, terrifying tactical usefulness in game. Excellence in 28mm scale. loving zondcat though. Bloody Bakunin gets in everything. A lot of chaingun troops are warbands which really are made to be used with the chaingun profile. It favours asymmetrical trades and saves points while helping you circumvent a lot of the model's weaknesses. Yu Jing I think has some cheap HI units with chain rifle options though, try looking there.
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Mar 15, 2014 23:51
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What faction do you want for the chain rifles? Yu Jing's Kuang Shi box has 4 chain rifles and a boarding shotgun, so you've got an extra there (the BS one will be ran only when you link them though).
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Mar 16, 2014 00:31
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Well, I don't see any major difference between the Chains used by the Muttawi'ah, Kuang Shi, or Caledonian Volunteers - so basically that look. My first idea was to use Ariadnians, as finding third-party kalashnikovs to replace them with is easy enough, compared to faction-appropriate replacement Boarding Shotguns for Haqq or Yu Jing. There's actually a Chain in the weapons sprue with the Intel Spec-Ops, but it's a lot smaller than the ones used by the above examples... I'm leaning towards Caledonian Volunteers and Irmandinhos, but I'm still pretty bad at this game so I'm not sure if taking Volunteers with basic Rifles would be a waste of 8 points? edit: Looking at the Kuang Shi box has me confused, it's a four model set, with the poses below:  But the alternate shot shows the following:  Looking at the fifth model from the left, is that an alternate set of arms? PoontifexMacksimus fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 17, 2014 00:01
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Yes, the KS box has a spare pair of arms. The Galwegian box too, but IIRC it's a rifle/shotgun change so you don't gain from it.
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Mar 17, 2014 01:41
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Just finished assembling my Iguana. Very neat model and not hard at all to put together...EXCEPT for the ammo belts on the HMG. They never fit the position of arms and bending them so that they reach the backpack/gun feels like it might snap in your hands at any moment.
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Requesting list sanity check, haven't played in a while. Single mission - Supplies, Spec Ops 12xp, against generic CA that will likely bring an Avatar. COMBINED ARMY────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1   10  0  0 ASWANG Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 25) SHROUDED (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (27)SHROUDED (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25) ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (25) MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (23) VECTOR HMG / Pistol, Shock CCW. (1.5 | 35) MALIGNOS Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun, Monofilament Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 43) IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (9)IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (9) YAOGAT Combi Rifle, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 31)GROUP 2 4 2 3 TREITAK (WIP14, BTS-3, AD: Inferior Combat Jump, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (16 | 12XP) DĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (14) ÍMETRON Electric Pulse. (4)ÍMETRON Electric Pulse. (4) PRETA Chain Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / CCW. (5)PRETA Chain Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / CCW. (5)4.5 SWC | 300 Points Open with Army 4 Am I missing anything obvious?
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Mar 18, 2014 13:27
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Over the past couple weeks I decided to focus on assembling all of my PanO figures...  Now I just need to paint them all! 
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Mar 19, 2014 04:32
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Half of my Yu Jing looks like that. The other half is in boxes... I can't bring myself to sit down and assemble the rest, much less paint something. Job well done. 
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Mar 19, 2014 15:17
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Pierzak posted:Requesting list sanity check, haven't played in a while. Single mission - Supplies, Spec Ops 12xp, against generic CA that will likely bring an Avatar. I'm no expert in CA, but you seem to be a bit light on heavy gear. Other than the Vector HMG, what are you fielding to give TAGs and heavy types headaches from a distance? You need more visors combined with rocket launchers/muli snipers, or a ton more HMGs, especially if you expect to be facing the big A. You seem to be putting your chips on elite camo units, which is good but risky, as revealed units tend to be mowed down if they fail at killing their targets reliably and quickly.
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Mar 20, 2014 04:35
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For TAGs I have monomines, K1 combi, and a Panzerfaust from smoke if they come its way. Actually, the HMG is a secondary anti-TAG weapon, that one is for long-range mowing of normal troops. And camo units are not supposed to engage the enemy, just harass and grab the packages if possible, I know well how squishy they can be. In any case it's too late to modify the list, it's packed and I'm off to the game in 5 minutes.
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Mar 20, 2014 12:51
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 March 2013 ReleasesSun Tze, Yu Jing   Tomcats, Nomads   Brigadier Jacques Bruant, Ariadna   Daturazi Witch-Soldiers, Combined Army   Nagas, ALEPH  
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Mar 21, 2014 17:17
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Holy smokes, those witch soldiers.
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Mar 21, 2014 17:19
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1. Always excited for non-Greek Aleph! 2. Jacques Bruant = Léon: The Professional = Jean Reno? 3. Wasn't Sun Tzu's old sculpt called a "Marksman Hero" or something? Seems mean to saddle the poor guy with a shotgun... 4. does that zondcat have breasts
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Mar 21, 2014 19:38
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1. Yes 2. Yes, but worse 3. No, this is Sun Tze 1.0. Marksman Leader is only ARM2 and still exists. 4. Yes
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Mar 21, 2014 21:03
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Gotta have that tomcat. Zondcat is up for emergency surgery and/or bits bin.
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Mar 21, 2014 23:52
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Oh my gently caress, those Daturazi
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Mar 22, 2014 12:16
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Netrods and Ekdromoi w/ HMG. I couldn't make decent copies of my netrod sculpt so I got the support pack. I could use the doc and yudbots at higher point games.   
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Finally got around to running my Barid in a 200 point YAMS game against PanO. Good lord, all the immobilization. For one brief moment, I started to understand what it's like to be a Nomads player.
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I'm not a bad Infinity player, but my usual Haqq opponent dismantles me every game. It's almost surgical how his tools take apart my ALEPH, and I'm starting to feel powerless. Guess there's nothing for it but more games, though!
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Mar 24, 2014 09:57
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WAR FOOT posted:I'm not a bad Infinity player, but my usual Haqq opponent dismantles me every game. It's almost surgical how his tools take apart my ALEPH, and I'm starting to feel powerless. Guess there's nothing for it but more games, though! What's his list? I'm sure we can get you something rolling to make him adapt to you for a change.
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Mar 24, 2014 10:00
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Fix posted:What's his list? I'm sure we can get you something rolling to make him adapt to you for a change. Usually in appearance are Kum Bikes, Muttuiah, Djanbazan, Fiday, Ragik HMG and Lasiqs. The Muttuiahs and Bikes are nearly always represented, and the others come as a blend. Today it was Djanbazan, Fiday and Lasiq, along with an Al'hawa, Tarik, several Naffutun and Yasbir. I can normally put down a few models, but it never seems to be quite enough to change the flow of the game. Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Mar 24, 2014 |
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Mar 24, 2014 10:04
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Do you play vanilla ALEPH? Seems like you need more smoke support to get into position and ambush his fast attackers. An Ekdromos to get rid of his lasiqs and Djans is also usually a sound investment. Sleph usually rewards being flexible and prepared. Don't be afraid to deploy defensively and protect your assets; you have speed, ODDs and smoke to rush forward later if you need to.
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I've been finding playing -too- defensively won't work, because it gives the Muttuiah and Kum Bikers run of the board - and Impetuous E-Marats and Chain Rifles tend to see off most my fragile and heavy stuff alike. Normal play will be Kums launching Smoke, Djannies seeing off anything that holds a commanding position, then the Template Times begin. We usually play with enough density that the first impetuous order might not bring them into the open.
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Maybe a total reaction HMG remote to make the vanguard think twice, then? Or minelayers to secure some breathing room.
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Mar 25, 2014 14:09
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Do you have netrods?
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Hellbeard posted:Do you have netrods? I used to, but went to the doctor and he gave me some pills so they cleared right up 
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I told a friend about Infinity a few days ago. He said he'd take a look at the CB miniatures gallery. Last night he came back and told me that he has a problem with the game: "I want to buy six factions now." Going to arrange a demo game for him next. I was thinking a simple grunt vs grunt 3v3 game (Order Sergeants vs Ghulams), then a 150pt game once he's got a grasp of the basic mechanics. Thinking these lists have enough very interesting mechanics while retaining distinctly different play styles:  Panoceania - Military Order | 6 models________________________________________________________  Teutonic Knight Lieutenant (42|1) Order Sergeant TO Sniper (39|1.5) Magister Knight EXP CCW (29|0) Order Sergeant Combi (13|0) Order Sergeant Combi (13|0) Order Sergeant Combi (13|0)________________________________________________________ 149/150 points | 2.5/3 swc open with Aleph Toolbox  : http://goo.gl/btHNCM Haqqislam | 8 models________________________________________________________  Odalisque Spitfire (31|1) Ghulam Hacker (25|0.5) Muyib LGL (23|1) Hunzakut (21|0.5) Ghulam Lieutenant (13|0) Ghulam Rifle (13|0) Naffatun HFT (12|0) Naffatun HFT (12|0)________________________________________________________ 150/150 points | 3/3 swc open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/GJ1VbM(I would probably encourage him to play the MO side, since it's more straightforward and I suspect would crush the Haqq side in a straight gunfight.) Corbeau fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Mar 29, 2014 |
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I usually leave off things like TO Camo and Hacking for later games, since they can be somewhat hard for people to wrap their heads around.
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A fair point. Thinking about downsizing a little then too: Panoceania - Military Order | 5 models ________________________________________________________ Teutonic Knight Lieutenant (42|1) Order Sergeant Spitfire (20|1) Order Sergeant Combi (13|0) Order Sergeant Combi (13|0) Order Sergeant Combi (13|0)________________________________________________________ 101/100 points | 2/2 swc open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/X3rBNB Haqqislam | 6 models________________________________________________________  Lasiq Sniper (29|1.5) Hunzakut (21|0.5) Ghulam Lieutenant (13|0) Ghulam Rifle (13|0) Naffatun HFT (12|0) Naffatun HFT (12|0)________________________________________________________ 100/100 points | 2/2 swc open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/Mt3jcIClose enough, I think.
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Naffatun are straight up retardedly good, and played right, that Haqq list will slaughter the Pano. Either swap them out or give the pano something roughly equal. Naffatun are really cheap for what they do.
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Yeah, the MO list feels a bit flat. The Haqq guy is setting things on fire and sniping and infiltrating with camo, and the PanO side can...shoot combi rifles, or shoot a spitfire.
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Mar 31, 2014 23:48
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Trying to wrap my head around some of the camo rules. Say I deploy in camouflage [camouflage deployment] 3 units under the same marker. I keep their identity and number hidden from my opponent (can I?). If a Multispectral visor L3 shoots at the marker- do I reveal the contents of it and let him choose his target? Do I reveal a target of my choosing only if they get hit? Do they all get hit at once? Multiple units under one marker must perform coordinated orders. What if they are a linkable, can they act as a linked team instead? What are some good tactics you guys might now regarding camouflage and its use?
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No camo unit is linkable, precisely for that very reason. As for MSV 3, I'd rule it that he can see how many markers there are and pick one, but that's not official. You should ask this on the official forum because it is a good question. I like to use camoed minelayers to put two camo markers on the table and let the enemy guess which one is the model and which is the mine. Against more ARO-phobic players, it can really paralyze hem. Though people with goodvisors and/or smoke can usually get by easily.
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Sephyr posted:Yeah, the MO list feels a bit flat. The Haqq guy is setting things on fire and sniping and infiltrating with camo, and the PanO side can...shoot combi rifles, or shoot a spitfire. I feel like MO is just plain hosed before the 150pt level where you can start mixing in multiple knights and sergeant specialists.
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Yeah MO is pretty gimpy until around 250pts to be honest, it's a faction where its specialty lies almost entirely in its HI options, so it's to be expected that it feels very narrow. At lower point scales abuse Order Sergeants to get variety and flavour in your lists.
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Sephyr posted:I like to use camoed minelayers to put two camo markers on the table and let the enemy guess which one is the model and which is the mine. Against more ARO-phobic players, it can really paralyze hem. Though people with goodvisors and/or smoke can usually get by easily. If you see a minelayer, remember to ask how many mines it has ("no, gently caress YOU, it's visible info"). A common tactic is to take a minelayer and post an actual camo unit in its ZoC. I like to mix it up a bit with the Shasvastii. I have a few new formations I want to try, based on "gently caress you it's a mine not my LT". Very easy to do when 80+% of your units is camo blobs.
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Pierzak posted:If you see a minelayer, remember to ask how many mines it has ("no, gently caress YOU, it's visible info").
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Sephyr posted:No camo unit is linkable, precisely for that very reason. My DC metro are linkable and have limited CH:camouflage. What's this about visible info there. Is there a list somewhere?
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Hellbeard posted:My DC metro are linkable and have limited CH:camouflage. Actually, if you check the Human Sphere rulebook you will find that the Metros are linkable, but the options with inferior infiltration are specifically excluded from that.
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