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CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry

Vitamin J posted:

Or renting!

Hobbypartz.com or quantumhobby.com have some of that type of stuff and good prices.

Yeah. Hobbypartz.com is the same company as xheli.com and nitroplanes.com. They ship from southern California.

Also check out headsuphobby.com which is based out of Florida.

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NitroSpazzz
Dec 9, 2006

You don't need style when you've got strength!


front wing flexing posted:

Trip report on the Proto X.
I've have one of these on the way to keep at work. Have a feeling I should have just ordered a few since combat is very likely.

Arcturas posted:

Oh god. Hobbyking's international shipping prices are murderous. Other than waiting a month for parts to get in stock in their US warehouse, is there a good alternative source for their parts? Turnigy frames, engines, transmitters, etc.
I was able to find a decent amount of HK/Turnigy stuff on eBay from US resellers. Prices ended up being about the same as ordering from HK and doing international shipping but you get it quicker.

Arcturas
Mar 30, 2011

NitroSpazzz posted:

I was able to find a decent amount of HK/Turnigy stuff on eBay from US resellers. Prices ended up being about the same as ordering from HK and doing international shipping but you get it quicker.

Thanks. I just checked and, unfortunately, the parts I need aren't available on Ebay. Turns out people are more willing to resell motors than frames.

CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry
Oh yeah, when buying stuff from Hobbyking, it's usually a good idea to order extras...

mashed
Jul 27, 2004

CrazyLittle posted:

Oh yeah, when buying stuff from Hobbyking, it's usually a good idea to order extras...



Its not a mistake its a feature for all those friction fit prop adaptors you have lying around :v:

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

CrazyLittle posted:

Oh yeah, when buying stuff from Hobbyking, it's usually a good idea to order extras...



That's why I sorta love hobbyking. Sure, you get the occasional junk, but it's cheap enough that you can buy two of everything and still come out ahead.

CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry
Yup - that's exactly what I did. I also have a metric die set and a lathe, so even with the dud shaft I could still cut the threads myself. :)

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Ha, maybe it's so you can use an extra large prop shaft clamp. People like to hate those NTM motors, but I've used a bunch of them and have had great luck.

dr cum patrol esq
Sep 3, 2003

A C A B

:350:

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Post up when you get it, I'm interested to know how long it takes to ship from the international warehouse.

And of course how it flies and all that. I'm about *this far* from pulling the trigger on the same package

Got it today.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

ease posted:

Ha, maybe it's so you can use an extra large prop shaft clamp. People like to hate those NTM motors, but I've used a bunch of them and have had great luck.

I still have my first one and it runs like a champ, despite being on its 4th (5th?) plane. I do find that the SK3 series runs much better, but they're also twice the price...

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001





Wow, that was super fast coming from china (I assume?) to the us!

dr cum patrol esq
Sep 3, 2003

A C A B

:350:

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Wow, that was super fast coming from china (I assume?) to the us!

Yeah, I think so.

I just unboxed it, very excited.

Also, I'm addicted to my Proto-X. This is my third one, lost one to a crash and gave another away.

The third one randomly came in white which is nice because it's easier to see. I added the prop protector thing I bough off of ebay, looks like someone just 3-D printed it. It works likes a charm and keeps the props in good shape. The blue things on the bottom are just cut up nerf darts to make the landings softer and more importantly protect the engines which are a little sensitive. It does add weight but I'd say I costs no more than 20 seconds of flying time, it's worth it.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
APM 2.5 clone #3 being delivered to my house today, let's hope it doesn't fail immediately like the last 2!

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
So I picked this up for $30 at Radioshack, I really want to get back into RC planes and helicopters, so I thought I'd start with this:



Has no flaps or airleons, just changes prop pitch to steer. When I first got it, it flew like crap and would stall at the slightest power application, added a penny to the nose and it evens it out, now it'll flying double the height of my house and if there is no wind it has excellent control!

mashed
Jul 27, 2004

Vitamin J posted:

APM 2.5 clone #3 being delivered to my house today, let's hope it doesn't fail immediately like the last 2!

Which clones have you been trying? I had good luck with the rctimer arduflyer but that is a sample size of 1.

helno
Jun 19, 2003

hmm now were did I leave that plane

CommieGIR posted:

So I picked this up for $30 at Radioshack, I really want to get back into RC planes and helicopters, so I thought I'd start with this:



Has no flaps or airleons, just changes prop pitch to steer. When I first got it, it flew like crap and would stall at the slightest power application, added a penny to the nose and it evens it out, now it'll flying double the height of my house and if there is no wind it has excellent control!

We have had a ton of fun with these simple throttle only planes flying indoors. A few guys have used the guts on custom airframes.

They seem to be getting harder to find. Everyone sells a variety of lovely little helicopters but the fixed wing options have all bust disappeared.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

helno posted:

We have had a ton of fun with these simple throttle only planes flying indoors. A few guys have used the guts on custom airframes.

They seem to be getting harder to find. Everyone sells a variety of lovely little helicopters but the fixed wing options have all bust disappeared.

I'm going to try to extend its battery range with aux batteries and try to make it more wind resistant by weighting the wings, maybe using batteries as drop tanks. I also plan to add a longwire style antenna, it actually has phenomenol radio range for a cheapo rc aircraft

Its a fun aircraft, its just so sensative to the wind and will get carried off

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Vitamin J posted:

APM 2.5 clone #3 being delivered to my house today, let's hope it doesn't fail immediately like the last 2!


mashed_penguin posted:

Which clones have you been trying? I had good luck with the rctimer arduflyer but that is a sample size of 1.

I'm also interested in which clone you're using. I currently have 2 official APM 2.0--one is full of fixes to some damage from a crash, and the other has been updated to whatever minor version contained the fixes to the power input (and maybe some other stuff). I'm considering adding an external magnetometer to it, which would bring it up to full 2.5 hardware, but I'm considering getting a new one for my sk450 dead cat anyway.

Hobbyking has a nice bundle available, it just needs an external magnetometer (or 3drobotic's official GPS + magnetometer combo). RCTimer's version has this option, which is really cool if you are using their spider frame, but less so otherwise (The stackable GPS + mag board sorta defeats the purpose of moving the magnetometer up further away in the APM 2.5, but is good enough for a lot of cases).

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.

mashed_penguin posted:

Which clones have you been trying? I had good luck with the rctimer arduflyer but that is a sample size of 1.
I originally got a HKPilot and its MPU-6000 failed right away. Returns with HK take forever so in the meantime I bought an AeroSky from Hobbypartz.com which had a MPU-6000 failure about 20 mins after I started the initial configuration for no apparent reason. The post office lied and I won't get my 2nd AeroSky until later today.

CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry
Gah. I want to try APM for its GPS on the cheap, but all the horror stories about the clone boards being pure trash has me put off. Meanwhile MWC seems to be bad at GPS as well, so either I buy DJI or I spend just as much to get the real APM board and a boat load of configuration hassle.

mashed
Jul 27, 2004

CrazyLittle posted:

Gah. I want to try APM for its GPS on the cheap, but all the horror stories about the clone boards being pure trash has me put off. Meanwhile MWC seems to be bad at GPS as well, so either I buy DJI or I spend just as much to get the real APM board and a boat load of configuration hassle.

From what I've read and personal experience the rctimer clone seems to be the most solid. There aren't that many reports of DOA boards from them and they actually have some sort of customer support.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
My replacement from Hobbypartz was DOA as well. loving hell. This one didn't even connect to the ground station software at all. Just placed an order with RMRC for a 3DR built APM 2.6 set. gently caress it.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Vitamin J posted:

My replacement from Hobbypartz was DOA as well. loving hell. This one didn't even connect to the ground station software at all. Just placed an order with RMRC for a 3DR built APM 2.6 set. gently caress it.

At this point, I gotta wonder if you are killing all these boards with ESD or something...

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
It's in a plastic case. Just pulled it out of the ziplock bag and plugged it in.

tehk
Mar 10, 2006

[-4] Flaw: Heart Broken - Tehk is extremely lonely. The Gay Empire's ultimate weapon finds it hard to have time for love.
When you eventually kill that one order the new miniature unit from hobby king and let me know how it works before I order a few.

Could it be a bad BEC frying it?

uXs
May 3, 2005

Mark it zero!
Got my Nano CP X today, together with the factory brushless upgrade and 6 batteries. First CP heli, so obviously I crashed a bunch of times.

After I went through all 6 batteries, I installed the BL upgrade, and ran into a problem. The tail just wags way too much.

Now I don't think I really had any excessive tail wagging without the BL upgrade. I mean, I may or may not have had any, but I don't remember having it. It probably wobbled a bit but you can hardly expect a tiny (CP) helicopter to be completely rock-solid. The thing is that the tail wagging is really obvious and annoying now, so I can't but conclude that because I don't remember it having before the upgrade, it just wasn't there. (Or at least way, way less.)

So I switched back to the stock motor, but the wiggle is still there. It's really annoying seeing it just wiggle so much while hovering, and when turning around it's not at all smooth either.

Any ideas? I've read that a bent feathering spindle could be the cause. Maybe I bent it while getting the stock motor out? I really had to pull on that thing to get it out and I may or may not have pushed on the blades a bit.

I guess maybe I should fly a bit more first because apparently it can take a few flights to break it in? But I suspect that will do exactly nothing.

I'm really not looking forward to replacing it or even getting it out to check :-/

At least a replacement would be rather cheap. (And I can order it together with a replacement canopy for my MCX2. Apparently that gets shredded rather easily when a CP X crashes into it. :science:)

i own every Bionicle
Oct 23, 2005

cstm ttle? kthxbye

uXs posted:

Got my Nano CP X today, together with the factory brushless upgrade and 6 batteries. First CP heli, so obviously I crashed a bunch of times.

After I went through all 6 batteries, I installed the BL upgrade, and ran into a problem. The tail just wags way too much.

Now I don't think I really had any excessive tail wagging without the BL upgrade. I mean, I may or may not have had any, but I don't remember having it. It probably wobbled a bit but you can hardly expect a tiny (CP) helicopter to be completely rock-solid. The thing is that the tail wagging is really obvious and annoying now, so I can't but conclude that because I don't remember it having before the upgrade, it just wasn't there. (Or at least way, way less.)

So I switched back to the stock motor, but the wiggle is still there. It's really annoying seeing it just wiggle so much while hovering, and when turning around it's not at all smooth either.

Any ideas? I've read that a bent feathering spindle could be the cause. Maybe I bent it while getting the stock motor out? I really had to pull on that thing to get it out and I may or may not have pushed on the blades a bit.

I guess maybe I should fly a bit more first because apparently it can take a few flights to break it in? But I suspect that will do exactly nothing.

I'm really not looking forward to replacing it or even getting it out to check :-/

At least a replacement would be rather cheap. (And I can order it together with a replacement canopy for my MCX2. Apparently that gets shredded rather easily when a CP X crashes into it. :science:)

The gyros, including the one that keeps the tail steady, are on the main board. If that wiggles around it can couple back into the feedback loop and cause the wag. So make sure that is screwed to the frame securely. For that matter, make sure the frame is not broken, and that the landing gear is not broken, a wiggling battery could also cause it.

Make sure the tail is on securely as well, and that the tail blades are not bent over or flattened (though this usually causes the heli to blow out and not wobble).

FWIW I went through an MCP X and two Nano's trying to learn heli 3D. My skills improved a lot but I got so frustrated fixing them all the time that I stopped flying them and just gave them (or the remains) away. Something always needed replacing or fixing, and my two Nano's both needed new 3 in 1 boards after a few weeks of flying. I really hated taking them out flying after a while because I always needed new parts and it was 10 bucks here, 20 there, eventually I had spent more than it was worth on parts. I finally bought a nice 450 from a friend after a while and instead of using micro heli's I've been practicing on Realflight. I've learned a lot more a lot more quickly; the larger helis fly entirely differently. Not trying to discourage you of course but if you get fed up with the Nano then there are other ways to have fun with helis.

i own every Bionicle fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Mar 25, 2014

uXs
May 3, 2005

Mark it zero!
Well, before I got it I was seeing the Nano as a first step towards ever bigger stuff. It's also fairly hard to find a large open space here to fly. I can fly the Nano indoors so that's a major advantage.

But after seeing how easily the Nano blades just ripped through the MCX2 canopy, my desire to fly bigger heli's has taken a bit of a blow. The head speed of these CP helicopters is quite a lot faster than on the MCX2; I guess I knew that there would be a difference but it hadn't quite registered how big that difference would be. I guess I'll get used to it pretty quickly? (Maybe too quickly even.)

EpicPhoton
Feb 1, 2013

You have the opportunity to take a one way trip with a crew of ~20 to Mars. You'll be supplied, sent food and equipment once you land.
But you might never come back. You might never talk face-to-face with anyone from back home again. You might die on a cold, dusty rock.

Do you go?
Is there a good list of reputable online vendors anywhere? I know of Hobbyking, Horizon Hobby, Hobbyzone, Lazertoyz, and a couple of others, but are there any big players I haven't heard about yet? Anyone to avoid like the plague?

CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry

EpicPhoton posted:

Is there a good list of reputable online vendors anywhere? I know of Hobbyking, Horizon Hobby, Hobbyzone, Lazertoyz, and a couple of others, but are there any big players I haven't heard about yet? Anyone to avoid like the plague?

That really depends on what you're trying to get. I've had good results from the ones you listed, and also these:

http://www.towerhobby.com/
http://www.headsuphobby.com/
http://www.philshobbyshop.com/catalog/
http://www.hobbypartz.com/

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

https://www.amainhobbies.com is pretty good too.

RadioPassive
Feb 26, 2012

CrazyLittle posted:

Yeah, Just because the FAA can't fine you for it doesn't mean you won't be held liable for damages/injury. I'm still a pessimist and think that the FAA's gonna pass SOME regulations that preempt a drone free-for-all. Maybe licensing or registration of some kind.

My bet is the new rules require a shitload of money/resources to comply with, effectively shutting down anyone smaller than Amazon/Google/etc. from running drones commercially. License fees of $100,000, required million-dollar drone insurance, and/or some sort of expensive drone safety system to prevent damages in case of crash.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

RadioPassive posted:

My bet is the new rules require a shitload of money/resources to comply with, effectively shutting down anyone smaller than Amazon/Google/etc. from running drones commercially. License fees of $100,000, required million-dollar drone insurance, and/or some sort of expensive drone safety system to prevent damages in case of crash.

I think there will be vastly different rules for those trying to operate on exclusively private property with owner permission and those trying to operate in the full public airspace.

They will likely require liability insurance equal to the maximum possible damage that your drone falling out of the sky could cause, which will likely be large but not much more than the usual liability insurance that any sort of transportation company carries.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

I dunno how you define "maximum possible damage", though. Crashing on someone's car while it's parked is pretty different from crashing on someone's car while it's driving down the highway. And I've love to see what happens when you crash a bunch of carbon-fiber rods into a high-tension line.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Sagebrush posted:

I dunno how you define "maximum possible damage", though. Crashing on someone's car while it's parked is pretty different from crashing on someone's car while it's driving down the highway. And I've love to see what happens when you crash a bunch of carbon-fiber rods into a high-tension line.

There are many methods to do this. We already do this for planes and space launches, I don't see how it would be harder to do with drones.

Here are the rules for commercial space launches for example: http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/licenses_permits/launch_reentry/expendable/financial/

uXs
May 3, 2005

Mark it zero!

Wojcigitty posted:

The gyros, including the one that keeps the tail steady, are on the main board. If that wiggles around it can couple back into the feedback loop and cause the wag. So make sure that is screwed to the frame securely. For that matter, make sure the frame is not broken, and that the landing gear is not broken, a wiggling battery could also cause it.

I checked for loose parts again today and didn't find any. So I tried flying again and it seems tail wag is severely reduced. It still wags a bit, but a lot less than it did yesterday, I think. I'll fly around a bit more and see what happens, maybe it really has to break in a bit.

Edit: I'm finding it odd that I can fly like a madman with my mcx2, all around the room in no matter what orientation, while I still haven't succeeded in making a single full turn with the nano cpx. When it gets even a little beyond 90 degrees I just lose control. You'd think that I'd be used to controlling stuff nose-in, but nope.

uXs fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Mar 26, 2014

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.

tehk posted:

When you eventually kill that one order the new miniature unit from hobby king and let me know how it works before I order a few.

Could it be a bad BEC frying it?
Slanderer was right to be suspicious, it didn't connect via USB the other night because I was trying to connect via the OpenPilot software :facepalm:, I'm working for a UAV company and am getting burnt out lol. I still don't trust it so I'm gonna flip it I think.

Yesterday I drove to Snowmas, CO which is 3 hours each way, to meet up with another FPVer and I bought a genuine 3DR 2.5. Last night I got it flying and tuned up a little bit (the auto tune feature is really cool!). Just now I finished installing the FPV gear and hopefully will fly it in a few hours.







Vitamin J fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Mar 26, 2014

mashed
Jul 27, 2004

Vitamin J posted:

Slanderer was right to be suspicious, it didn't connect via USB the other night because I was trying to connect via the OpenPilot software :facepalm:, I'm working for a UAV company and am getting burnt out lol. I still don't trust it so I'm gonna flip it I think.

Yesterday I drove to Snowmas, CO which is 3 hours each way, to meet up with another FPVer and I bought a genuine 3DR 2.5. Last night I got it flying and tuned up a little bit (the auto tune feature is really cool!). Just now I finished installing the FPV gear and hopefully will fly it in a few hours.

Cool setup. I'm torn between spending money on my big quad making it better or building a new mini quad next. I think the mini quad is going to win out. I'm thinking of the QAV250 at the moment which looks really cool.

CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry
J- I might be interested. I'll try to hit you up on fpvlab

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tehk
Mar 10, 2006

[-4] Flaw: Heart Broken - Tehk is extremely lonely. The Gay Empire's ultimate weapon finds it hard to have time for love.
What's the general opinion on getting 12v on 4s for fpv gear? I have some lawmate grey channel 1.2 gear that I am getting tons of performance with but I am not satisfied with how I am handling power on my discovery.

I don't have the tbs core since I am sort of worried about putting so much cash into the breakable bottom plate on a quad I use for low, fast, and long range(for a quad) fpv plus the osd it includes is not very useful. I get power to the camera now using a 450mAh 3s battery mounted on the nose, but I am thinking about ditching the battery. Does anyone make a OSD besides the core that also functions as a regulator/BEC? If not who makes a reliable solution just to step down the voltage? I am in the market for a full feature OSD so hopefully I can kill two birds with one stone.

I made cable to get 12v from the balance port using some pin headers, but I only hope to use that on days where I forget to charge the tiny battery.

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