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I am rapidly throwing all my money down a gaming blender, but the guys at the local gaming store are telling me that this Warmachine game is more popular than the GW games lately. Then I read the OP and find out you can play as loving VOODOO GATOR MEN?!? Are you making GBS threads me where have you been all my life?!? Anything not covered in the OP that I need to know about before I buy in?
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waah posted:I am rapidly throwing all my money down a gaming blender, but the guys at the local gaming store are telling me that this Warmachine game is more popular than the GW games lately. Then I read the OP and find out you can play as loving VOODOO GATOR MEN?!? Are you making GBS threads me where have you been all my life?!? Gators can be fun, but will be limiting overall thanks to their faction's split/secondary nature. Otherwise its a great game, so go for it?
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Apr 3, 2014 05:18
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waah posted:I am rapidly throwing all my money down a gaming blender, but the guys at the local gaming store are telling me that this Warmachine game is more popular than the GW games lately. Then I read the OP and find out you can play as loving VOODOO GATOR MEN?!? Are you making GBS threads me where have you been all my life?!? Minions are split into two pacts: Pigs and Gators. If you want to play Minions competitively, the best thing to do is play both of those pacts, and that means $$$. That being said, it isn't strictly necessary, and if you're just getting into the game that won't matter one way or the other; you just need to concentrate on getting the basic game mechanics down. Minions in general are stifled quite a bit by their small model collection as they have only recently begun the journey toward being a full fledged faction like Mercs are for Warmachine. I also, generally, do not recommend them as a starting point for people new to the game because there are a lot of things they just don't have access to, and that means lots of weaknesses. The next Hordes release looks like it might be shoring up some of those weaknesses, but if you're willing to take your licks, Minions are a super fun faction with some absolutely brutal Warlocks to choose from. Also: fuckin' Voodoo Gators man, it's so loving rad seriously
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Apr 3, 2014 05:41
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This is their battle engine coming in the next book. Just saying. 
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Apr 3, 2014 05:45
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Sacrificial Voodoo Altar is going to own so loving hard.
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Apr 3, 2014 05:48
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You can also use gators with other factions if you just want to run a little bit of gators and maybe some werewolves or Cyclopes or something. Most(maybe all?) hordes factions can use units of gator men, a gator shaman and a kind of mini warlock called wrong eye who comes with a pet monster gator and can run a couple extra, too. Wrong eye might be a bit complicated if you're just getting into the game, but the gator men as a unit are pretty popular. Of course, all of that is on top of what S.J. already said: "...gators...so loving rad..."
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Apr 3, 2014 05:54
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CaptCommy posted:Except for that post where DC explicitly says Alison counts as a Journeyman Warcaster and will qualify for tier 2 of Siege's new tier. So you may want to double check that thread before slamming ruled lawyers (though some of the suggestions are pretty dumb) Allison Jakes counts for that tier cause she's also on that tier list.
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Apr 3, 2014 06:32
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Gatormen are pretty sweet. Though, really, you should be playing Menoth
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Apr 3, 2014 13:06
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gannyGrabber posted:Gatormen are pretty sweet. I really like how in this thread, you rarely hear from Cryx, Retribution have recently come to prominence, and the Menoth are always looking to convert you.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:13
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Makes sense, really. 
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Apr 3, 2014 14:25
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Warlock journeyman models spotted at Adepticon.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:40
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Man, the Skorne one looks so drat bland next to the other three.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:54
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Lost Hemisphere has much nicer pics. The paintjob on the Skorne one looks really nice.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:57
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Lord Of Texas posted:Going to be playing a Caine1 gunline tonight, likely to see ATGM+UA, Black 13th, Long Gunners, a few heavies/lights (no Stormwall) and the usual Cygnar support. Trying to build a Krueger2 list that will do well against it, but I don't want to be cheesy and just take a bunch of Woldguardians. We'll be playing the Outflank 2014 SR scenario at 35 points. Thanks for the advice all, counter-deploying the Bloodtrackers on the opposite flank on the ATGM + B13 played a large part in my victory. He was goaded into running the ATGM + B13 horizontally towards the Bloodtrackers in an effort to blow them off the table the next turn, which allowed my LotF to Raven into a nearby Defender, thresher the mages, rolling poorly overall but killing the UA and thus removing True Sight from the unit. Similarly, I was able to wipe out the B13 with a Rock Hammer and Geomancy'd Lightning Storm, making the scenario victory pretty easy from there, with my Bloodtrackers harassing his flank and Wind Wall protecting my zone-holders. Here was my opponent's list: Caine1 -Defender -Sylas ATGM + UA -Hunter Junior -Cyclone Black 13th Can anyone who is more familiar with Cygnar comment on any improvements that could be made for Steamroller play at 35 points? My initial thought is that the Warjack package could be revamped, I think two expensive heavies plus a light at 35 is too much for Cygnar. Can Caine1 play pure gunline and be successful in scenarios?
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Apr 3, 2014 15:08
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I'm pretty interested in getting into this game, once my car repairs are paid off. Any recommendations on which start set(s) to get/avoid?
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Apr 3, 2014 15:22
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Paper Kaiju posted:Man, the Skorne one looks so drat bland next to the other three. The troll one just looks like A Variation Of The Fennblade Kithkar 
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Apr 3, 2014 15:27
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Esser-Z posted:I'm pretty interested in getting into this game, once my car repairs are paid off. Any recommendations on which start set(s) to get/avoid? All of the factions own, and all of the battlegroup starters are adequate if you're just starting the game. Only factions to avoid as a beginner are Mercenaries, Minions, and maybe Convergence of Cyriss.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:29
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Razzled posted:The troll one just looks like A Variation Of The Fennblade Kithkar Well, he has two weapons, sure. I don't see much else similarity unless maybe you mean some of the armor. But that's to be expected I think. It's just a style across the faction.  Also he has sweet goggles, something you can never get enough of.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:30
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Lord Of Texas posted:All of the factions own, and all of the battlegroup starters are adequate if you're just starting the game. Only factions to avoid as a beginner are Mercenaries, Minions, and maybe Convergence of Cyriss. Ah, okay! That... makes the decision no more easy. They all look so cool!
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Apr 3, 2014 15:31
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Esser-Z posted:Ah, okay! That... makes the decision no more easy. They all look so cool! Go here, listen to the new player series of episodes. Those will probably help a bunch.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:34
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Fyrbrand posted:Go here, listen to the new player series of episodes. Those will probably help a bunch. Thanks! I'll look into that this weekend!
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Apr 3, 2014 15:38
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Razzled posted:The troll one just looks like A Variation Of The Fennblade Kithkar Yes, but he's also a trollkin, so that automatically makes him a more interesting model.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:47
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Razzled posted:The troll one just looks like A Variation Of The Fennblade Kithkar If he is a Fennblade Kithkar that is Fury 3 or 4 that would be amazing. Throw Mauler Animus on him, and look out as he scraps a heavy. That would be like 5 to 6 P+S 16 hits. These guys are gonna have Fury, right?
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Apr 3, 2014 16:34
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Fyrbrand posted:Go here, listen to the new player series of episodes. Those will probably help a bunch. Please don't, i really love Chain Attack but this series of episodes goes into so much details that you don't care about as a new player. They felt really bloated and overtly long and could just as easily turn interested people away from the game.
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Luebbi posted:Please don't, i really love Chain Attack but this series of episodes goes into so much details that you don't care about as a new player. They felt really bloated and overtly long and could just as easily turn interested people away from the game. Ugh, thanks. I haven't listened to them. Recommendation retracted.
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Lord Of Texas posted:Thanks for the advice all, counter-deploying the Bloodtrackers on the opposite flank on the ATGM + B13 played a large part in my victory. He was goaded into running the ATGM + B13 horizontally towards the Bloodtrackers in an effort to blow them off the table the next turn, which allowed my LotF to Raven into a nearby Defender, thresher the mages, rolling poorly overall but killing the UA and thus removing True Sight from the unit. Similarly, I was able to wipe out the B13 with a Rock Hammer and Geomancy'd Lightning Storm, making the scenario victory pretty easy from there, with my Bloodtrackers harassing his flank and Wind Wall protecting my zone-holders. I think the majority of this list is ok, but the Jr. battlegroup seems unnecessary. The Cyclone isn't killing things that can't already be killed by the gunmages, and Jr himself doesn't have any good targets for Arcane Shield (armor 14 isn't saving anyone). I'd drop that module and do something else with the 12 points Also- True Sight is 'tactics', not 'granted' so it doesn't matter if the UA dies.
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Luebbi posted:Please don't, i really love Chain Attack but this series of episodes goes into so much details that you don't care about as a new player. They felt really bloated and overtly long and could just as easily turn interested people away from the game. Muse on Minis #166 has a long section on picking a faction for new players. There's got to be other places that have this info in a useful form for new players too.
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Mt. ORourke posted:I think the majority of this list is ok, but the Jr. battlegroup seems unnecessary. The Cyclone isn't killing things that can't already be killed by the gunmages, and Jr himself doesn't have any good targets for Arcane Shield (armor 14 isn't saving anyone). I'd drop that module and do something else with the 12 points I don't think he should drop the cyclone. He should marshal it under the UA of the mages for some sweet sweet 2d3 thunderbolt shots.
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Acceptableloss posted:Muse on Minis #166 has a long section on picking a faction for new players. I thought of this one too, but as is the norm for Muse, it's long, rambling, and frequently goes off topic. They intentionally skip over some factions. I didn't see it as useful for new players at all.
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Paper Kaiju posted:Man, the Skorne one looks so drat bland next to the other three. The Legion one isn't making me very excited. The Circle one looks amazing though
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Apr 3, 2014 17:23
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Here's a good spot for picking a new faction. http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth
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Luebbi posted:Please don't, i really love Chain Attack but this series of episodes goes into so much details that you don't care about as a new player. They felt really bloated and overtly long and could just as easily turn interested people away from the game. Menoth is pretty tempting, yeah. Thinking I might pick up their starter and the Trollblood starter to, er, start, but I'm not fully decided. Everyone is so cool!
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Apr 3, 2014 17:29
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gannyGrabber posted:Here's a good spot for picking a new faction. Don't click that link. It's a bunch of bullshit.
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Esser-Z posted:Ah, okay! That... makes the decision no more easy. They all look so cool! Seriously, the best way to choose is to pick whichever one you think looks the most awesome! Because, really, everyone is freakin' great, but if you really love the models it makes painting them a lot easier. I wouldn't even steer clear of Mercs or Minions if they're what you think look cool, they're only a bit more complicated than the other teams, and really, I think if you're capable of learning to play, you'll be capable of learning the differences they have.
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Luebbi posted:Please don't, i really love Chain Attack but this series of episodes goes into so much details that you don't care about as a new player. They felt really bloated and overtly long and could just as easily turn interested people away from the game. That and their biases at this point are so ridiculously strong that these episodes feel like they're weaponized to turn a newbie in a jaded hater of fun. I feel like you could introduce a stranger to these episodes, as them for a faction on the other side, and get "Cygnar, get me the only three casters that matter and that Colossal please" or ask them their impression and get "Minions are useless bullshit. I've never seen one and couldn't identify the models, but I know they aren't even a faction."
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I am gonna be honest, I picked which side I was interested in based on the pictures in OP alone. Sad to hear that all alligators aren't viable for new players nor is there a battleforce for gators, however If gators have to hired, I need to find a race/army/faction that will give me the best chance to have Bayou Billy and Leatherhead team up. I don't care about if an army is stupidly competive or not I just wanna have fun make ridiculous models and laugh about it while once in a while winning a game.
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If you want some gator minions alongside a regular faction then your answer is Skorne.
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waah posted:I am gonna be honest, I picked which side I was interested in based on the pictures in OP alone. Sad to hear that all alligators aren't viable for new players nor is there a battleforce for gators, however Its not that gators can't win games, its that they are a sub-faction and don't have answers to every question an opponent may pose in a tournament. For learning the game they are fine, for taking to a masters tournament, much less so. I picked Retribution because of the look of the Battlemage unit leader, before Wrath was out (actually before even discordia was out) and ret at the time had large holes in its ability to deal with questions the opponent would ask (mostly armor skew and stealth questions). It was frustrating as I tried to get more competitive, and I did end up stepping away for a year. However I don't regret my decision and am very happy with them now.
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waah posted:I am gonna be honest, I picked which side I was interested in based on the pictures in OP alone. Sad to hear that all alligators aren't viable for new players nor is there a battleforce for gators, however Yep, you're looking for Skorne. Skorne loves those awesome gatormans. It doesn't hurt that one of the most fun ways to run them in Skorne is under the depraved control of a giant fat rear end in a top hat riding on a palanquin held aloft by weeping foetal elephantmen: http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/skorne/warlocks/dominar-rasheth
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waah posted:I am gonna be honest, I picked which side I was interested in based on the pictures in OP alone. Sad to hear that all alligators aren't viable for new players nor is there a battleforce for gators, however Gators are easily the better half of minions. I think you'll be fine. In fact, you can bring 3 units of gatormen posse no problem and be just fine. Other units aren't really necessary in the gator half of minions. With Rask there's probably no need to bring farrow anymore, so you can just gator em up.
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