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Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

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GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost


If all goes well, I should be submitting my first Universal app to the store on Monday :D.
All I really had to do was remake my Windows 8 views. Nearly everything else is shared between the Windows 8 and this Windows phone version.

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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

As a 920 owner I will pitch in a general comment; stability and battery life has taken a small hit this version it seems to me. Nothing huge or significant that I can point to yet, nor anything that prevents me from enjoying the use of my phone, but I don't think all is 100% well.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Gotta be something to do with multitasking -- I noticed that the Background Tasks settings menu isn't even visible anymore.

Tivac
Feb 18, 2003

No matter how things may seem to change, never forget who you are

loquacius posted:

Gotta be something to do with multitasking -- I noticed that the Background Tasks settings menu isn't even visible anymore.

It's part of the battery sense stuff now.

n0tqu1tesane
May 7, 2003

She was rubbing her ass all over my hands. They don't just do that for everyone.
Grimey Drawer

Edward IV posted:

Oh great. It looks like Internet Sharing has become more temperamental with Windows Phone 8.1. I haven't been able to reliably reproduce the problem yet but it seems that within a day of after using Internet Sharing it will no longer work. My attempts to initiate the connection from my Windows 8.1 tablet will fail and the Internet Sharing setting page will fail to load and crash back to the settings menu. The only way I've found so far to get Internet Sharing to work again is to restart the phone. It's not exactly an elegant solution, though.

EDIT: I didn't even need a day. WiFi sharing broke within a few hours after heavily using Internet Sharing. This time, I also found that WiFi and Airplane Mode settings were just as broken. So I'm starting to wonder if this is an OS issue or a firmware/driver issue. Perhaps next time, I'll see if I can work around the problem by manually turning off WiFi first and then activating Internet Sharing. It's still not an elegant solution either.

I've had my 1020 hard lock on me after toggling WiFi on/off a couple times. Haven't experienced it yet on my 8X yet though.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
Another odd bug I found was if I had a sms thread up, and switched away from it, it would create another instance of that thread in the multitasking view, so I ended up having 10+ screens to close after talking with my wife.

gmcsonoma
Jan 27, 2004

I had some serious battery drain on my HTC 8X after updating a few days ago, after turning off some background tasks and changing my microsoft exchange emails to check every 15 minutes instead of pushing things seem to have gotten a little better.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Jewmanji posted:

I'm using a 920 on AT&T and have found my battery life has decreased dramatically. A large part of that has to do with needing to leave location on all the time now for Cortana, whereas I used to have location on very infrequently. As well, I think I'm constantly in somewhat low reception, which makes pinging for the location all the more arduous. Also, since I updated the outgoing voice quality has basically nerfed. No one can understand me on my phone anymore. Kinda sucks.
Post pictures of your battery usage. If you're having major drain we can pull logs from the device if needed to see if an app is stuck (but it should still show int he battery app).

I can 99% say for certain that location is probably not the direct cause of any huge battery drain you're seeing in this case. Most calls for location are literally a simple call to a web service (normally less then 10-20k total) and that's it. The only time location is a major drain is when you're running something that's requesting high accuracy location for long periods (ie GPS gets on and left on for while), like some navigation apps.

In fact, most of the guides that I see for extending battery (recommend to turn off manually control location/nfs/wifi) have negligible benefites (results are about as placebo as you can get.) The work done to make sure those are not battery drainers is very in depth and normally most issues I've see have been bugs or misbehaving apps.

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible
Before the update I was finishing my days (say, 15 hours off-charger) with 60-40% battery depending on usage on my Lumia 925. After installing dev preview, the phone ends up hitting 20% and using Battery Saver after about 13 hours with little usage and Location/Cortana disabled (and almost no battery drain is reported as background processes).

A hard reset seems to have helped a lot, but I need another day or two to be sure. This also worked for the previous drain issue that started after installing Lumia Black. Unlike that time, the battery drain on the dev preview doesn't seem to heat up my phone much.

Also, the hard reset fixed a problem I've been having with the "Windows Phone app for Desktop" application in which trying to sync podcasts gave an error. At this point, I've given up on trying to download anything through the Podcasts app. I'm not sure which team is handling that app, but I assume they have a different release schedule than the XboX Music/Video team.

LentThem fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Apr 20, 2014

PlaneGuy
Mar 28, 2001

g e r m a n
e n g i n e e r i n g

Yam Slacker
What's IE doing in the background? I just went into battery sense and saw it was numero uno and had background task permission.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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PlaneGuy posted:

What's IE doing in the background? I just went into battery sense and saw it was numero uno and had background task permission.
I believe there is a known bug where something is causing it to get stuck and spin. If it's the one I'm thinking of, you'll need to restart your phone as I don't think killing it normally will fix the issue. This is where field medic will be very useful -- I'll find and find out if we can put out a howto and where to get the logs sent to.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

LifeSizePotato posted:

Or just turn the ringer/volume off? My phone sits 12" from my head every night and with the volume muted, it doesn't disturb me at all. If it lighting up is a big deal, just set it face down.

So you're asleep, the phones sounds are all off. Why keep it on than?

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

In other weird regressions, the gallery app used to have a "Save to Skydrive" function in its tray, which no longer exists, and you can't share to Skydrive, and the Skydrive (or Onedrive throughout really) app only allows you to select single pictures. So my usual approach of using the lower-quality auto-upload and sending up better pictures as needed no longer works, and it appears that there is not really at the moment any good way to get full quality photos off the phone conveniently at all without syncing it or going to some other cloud storage vendor.

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 

Darth TNT posted:

So you're asleep, the phones sounds are all off. Why keep it on than?

Serves as your alarm? Caller breakthrough? Could be any number of reasons.

Most importantly, though: "Why not leave it on?"

wookieepelt
Jul 23, 2009
I used to open a tab in IE and it would stay until I closed the tab, even if I quit IE. Now, if I back out of IE, it loses everything I had saved for later. What is the point of unlimited tabs if you start over every time you back out?

wookieepelt fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Apr 20, 2014

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost
Hey Xylo, I can't get Window Phone's header controls (The battery, time, signal strength bar, I'm not sure what it's called) to respect the requested theme settings in my App.xaml. I'm trying to force the light theme for both Windows 8 and Windows Phone apps, but the controls at the top only seem to respect the phones settings, so while I set it to display the light theme those controls are still white, so you can't see them. Am I missing something?

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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wookieepelt posted:

I used to open a tab in IE and it would stay until I closed the tab, even if I quit IE. Now, if I back out of IE, it loses everything I had saved for later. What is the point of unlimited tabs if you start over every time you back out?
It should still save them (it does on my 1020). The only time I think it might close some is when there is memory pressure.

Drastic Actions posted:

Hey Xylo, I can't get Window Phone's header controls (The battery, time, signal strength bar, I'm not sure what it's called) to respect the requested theme settings in my App.xaml. I'm trying to force the light theme for both Windows 8 and Windows Phone apps, but the controls at the top only seem to respect the phones settings, so while I set it to display the light theme those controls are still white, so you can't see them. Am I missing something?
I think the official name for that is the tray. I don't know what the design options for that are, but off hand if you're trying to override how the user set something on it's phone and you can't, that sounds like a good thing. I do know it's possible you can turn it off in someway (see the bing apps for an example).

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

xylo posted:

I think the official name for that is the tray. I don't know what the design options for that are, but off hand if you're trying to override how the user set something on it's phone and you can't, that sounds like a good thing. I do know it's possible you can turn it off in someway (see the bing apps for an example).

Well, with Windows 8 the user does not get a choice between the light and dark themes, that's up to the developer. Windows Phone 8 users can pick though. I was trying to create a consistent theme between the two apps. The only element that does not seem to respect my choice though is that tray.

EDIT:

For reference, this is what I was trying to do



I'm using a pivot control. I'm overriding the header style to have a background and forcing it to use the dark theme. The rest of the interface is using the light theme. I'm doing similar stuff with my Awful app on Windows 8, which lead me to try it here.

The tray is appearing because I set the theme on my phone to light. If I use dark it will be white. I could just override that portion too to have the same color as the pivot header (or not do any of this theme crap and just use the user preferences).

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Apr 20, 2014

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
If anybody is interested, AT&T is selling refurbished 925s for 80$ without a contract. Not a terrible deal for sure.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Drastic Actions posted:

The tray is appearing because I set the theme on my phone to light. If I use dark it will be white. I could just override that portion too to have the same color as the pivot header (or not do any of this theme crap and just use the user preferences).
It's technically possible, because the native e-mail app does just that, if you force it to light theme, when using the dark in the system. Microsoft probably didn't make the relevant API calls public, that is if they're actually available in WinRT or Silverlight.

Zarfol
Aug 13, 2009

ratbert90 posted:

If anybody is interested, AT&T is selling refurbished 925s for 80$ without a contract. Not a terrible deal for sure.

I saw this deal and wanted to jump on it, but the thought of having to sign up for a new service and then canceling (they do a credit check and require your SSN), possible fees, and the chance of at&t being shady, was enough for me to back out. They also had galaxy s4s for 179 and other good deals.

They'll probably show up on eBay or swappa after all the fatwallet people get them and try to turn a profit.

LifeSizePotato
Mar 3, 2005

Martytoof posted:

Serves as your alarm? Caller breakthrough? Could be any number of reasons.

Most importantly, though: "Why not leave it on?"

Also, the guy I was responding to (indirectly) was having to reenter all his app passwords each day because he'd turn his phone off at night because he didn't want to be disturbed. Obvious fix? Don't turn your phone off, because it's unnecessary.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Martytoof posted:

Serves as your alarm? Caller breakthrough? Could be any number of reasons.

Most importantly, though: "Why not leave it on?"

At least in 7.8, if the sounds are off, everything is off. So no reason to keep it on.

I turn my phone off, I have a real alarm clock. And depending on usage I can get through the weekend on a single charge. :smug:

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost
Is there no way to get the active song being played? Before I could just call MediaPlayer.Queue.ActiveSong, but all of that is gone now and I can't find a replacement. :(

EDIT: Oh, by the way, the Xbox music app overrides the user settings and uses a dark theme. It also does not show the tray. :v:.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Drastic Actions posted:

EDIT: Oh, by the way, the Xbox music app overrides the user settings and uses a dark theme. It also does not show the tray. :v:.
IMO, and I'm sure many would agree, the current Xbox Music app isn't something anyone should model anything after. Just sayin'.

Drastic Actions
Apr 7, 2009

FUCK YOU!
GET PUMPED!
Nap Ghost

xylo posted:

IMO, and I'm sure many would agree, the current Xbox Music app isn't something anyone should model anything after. Just sayin'.

True. But Onedrive also does it. It colors the tray blue.

And while I'm bitching about controls. It still annoys me that pull to refresh is still not a supported control. Every implementation (as far as I can tell) is custom, which leads to users coming to me asking why it's not supported in my apps.

EDIT: And to be clear, I only complain because I care. I'm rooting for this platform. I just want a better phone to run it on. Maybe you could get Microsoft to give me and Combat Pretzel a 1020 or 1520?

Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Apr 21, 2014

insert_funny
Jan 5, 2013

I can never have plastic surgery, because I don't feel like chipping in another five bucks to change the picture.
So, today I learned that a Folder and a Library are two separate things in Windows. And if you don't set up a Podcasts Library in Windows, then your Podcasts won't sync to your Windows Phone via the app.

Why it won't synchronize from a simple folder is completely beyond me.

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible
Ugh, I guess my hard reset didn't help battery life after all. First day was amazing, but today I'm back to the old behavior. Phone is at 73% after 2.5 hours off-charger, and the only usage has been: 40 minutes listening to podcast, 10 minutes listening to music, 15 minutes using a chat app, and standby the rest of the time. I tried rebooting the phone a couple of different times because it was getting warm, but no change.

insert_funny posted:

So, today I learned that a Folder and a Library are two separate things in Windows. And if you don't set up a Podcasts Library in Windows, then your Podcasts won't sync to your Windows Phone via the app.

Why it won't synchronize from a simple folder is completely beyond me.

This is the same app that will delete photos from your phone after copying them to PC when you run a sync. Good stuff.

And yeah it's hilarious that you can specify any music folder you want for syncing, but for podcasts IT MUST BE THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY NAMED LIBRARY IN ONE SPECIFIC LOCATION AND NO WE WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THIS. I think I found ONE website on Google that explained what was wrong, and it was just some guy's tiny blog post from a year ago.

clandestine cactus
Feb 5, 2009

Hot Rope Guy

LentThem posted:

IT MUST BE THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY NAMED LIBRARY IN ONE SPECIFIC LOCATION

Libraries can be multiple folders, anywhere on your system. Hope you can find a solution based on this (e.g. add your normal folder to the library).

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible

clandestine cactus posted:

Libraries can be multiple folders, anywhere on your system. Hope you can find a solution based on this (e.g. add your normal folder to the library).

Okay so mentally edit my post to read "one specifically named library" and remove the location part dince I didn't phrase it well. Mine didn't have a Podcasts library, so I had to create one a few days ago using that specific name. This behavior still doesn't match the Music sync in the same app, which doesn't require a library at all.

Doomsday Jesus
Oct 8, 2004

Doomsday Jesus we need you now.
My wife just got a 1520 and signed in with her love account.

It tried syncing then said "not up to date." So, we told it to sync again. She triple checked her login information and it is correct. She gets the error code 86000c0a when trying to download apps or update existing apps.

Any ideas?

wookieepelt
Jul 23, 2009

Doomsday Jesus posted:

My wife just got a 1520 and signed in with her love account.

It tried syncing then said "not up to date." So, we told it to sync again. She triple checked her login information and it is correct. She gets the error code 86000c0a when trying to download apps or update existing apps.

Any ideas?

Well, it is a Windows product, so try restarting it?

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Doomsday Jesus posted:

My wife just got a 1520 and signed in with her love account.

It tried syncing then said "not up to date." So, we told it to sync again. She triple checked her login information and it is correct. She gets the error code 86000c0a when trying to download apps or update existing apps.

Any ideas?
Love account? Do you mean Microsoft Account? If so, that error code is telling the client to do backoff (throttling).

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Doomsday Jesus posted:

My wife just got a 1520 and signed in with her love account.

It tried syncing then said "not up to date." So, we told it to sync again. She triple checked her login information and it is correct. She gets the error code 86000c0a when trying to download apps or update existing apps.

Any ideas?

Some people earlier in the thread talked about sms backup causing timeouts on account updates, but that they eventually go away after sufficiently many attempts (some portion gets successfully done each time). Might be that issue?

Rent
Jul 20, 2004
Steal the warm wind tired friend
My 1520 rebooted/locked up about 5 times today, and I'm at 20% battery with light usage, where I'd be 50% or more before 8.1

Ah well. Hopefully it gets smoother

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:

Some people earlier in the thread talked about sms backup causing timeouts on account updates, but that they eventually go away after sufficiently many attempts (some portion gets successfully done each time). Might be that issue?
Yes this is correct. You can also turn off other backups/syncs (beyond sms) as a temp solution to get it to sync, then turn them back on later.

Captain Pike
Jul 29, 2003

I have a Windows 8 phone, and I just got an Xbox360. There is a program called 'Smart Glass', which is meant to allow fun things to occur between the phone and the Xbox. However, the main feature is a touch interface on the phone, which controls the Xbox. (This kind of sucks). It would actually be cool if the Xbox's UI was displayed on the drat phone.

Can 'Smart Glass' do anything fun or useful?

Edit: Oops, I guess there is a helpful wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_SmartGlass

Captain Pike fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Apr 22, 2014

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible
The main thing I'm noticing with my battery drain is that it seems like running any app in the foreground causes the phone to heat up (and drain battery) quickly (even if those same apps didn't cause this to happen in 8.0), but everything cools off and returns to normal if no apps are running in foreground.

I thought about rolling the dice with another hard reset, but last time the restore operation kept timing out and eventually aborted itself around 90%.

joebuddah
Jan 30, 2005

Doomsday Jesus posted:

My wife just got a 1520 and signed in with her love account.

It tried syncing then said "not up to date." So, we told it to sync again. She triple checked her login information and it is correct. She gets the error code 86000c0a when trying to download apps or update existing apps.

Any ideas?

1. Open Active Directory Users & Computers (ADUC)

2. Clicked View -> Selected "Advanced Features"

3. Opened the AD structure to find my/the affected user

4. Right-click on user -> Properties

5. Select the "Security" tab

6. Clicked the "Advanced" button (it's the one next to this text "For special permissions or advanced settings, click Advanced.")

7. Checked the "Include inheritable permissions from this object's parent" box

8. Clicked "OK" to close the "Advanced" box

9. Clicked "OK" to close the "[USER] Properties" box

10. Closed ADUC

11. Wait

12. Re-sync phone (At this point I had just looked at phone and had already synced)

13. win


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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Finally got around to make use of one of my most anticipated features in 8.1: WiFi EAP-TLS support. Works great, the only issue being that the browser in one way or another gets confused by the content-types of the certificates, so I got a bit of time staring at .p12 files as text before I got them installed. Pretty pleased to have this going overall though.

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