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When these sorts of things come up in court, the issue generally winds up hanging on whether there's artistic merit to the nudity/what have you. I'd argue that most mediums, including film/TV, are generally pretty good about that for the most part. They stick in a sex scene, there's something they're trying to say. US film media in particular is so worried about losing income from an R rating that they'll bend over to avoid it if they can. Anime is just the opposite. The majority of shows these days pander exclusively to Japanese otaku, and they lap this poo poo up. If you flip through any Japanese language anime blog, you'll find they go nuts over dumb hot springs/beach episodes and the like. You watch anime on Niconico, the comments take note every time there's even a single frame of a panty shot. What you won't find is a single voice in opposition. So the studios actively seek to cram more of this content in, hoping to sell more $80 DVDs, even when it's needless or even detrimental to the story. That makes a lot of series less than they could have been, and further feeds the fanbase while driving off the average consumer who isn't interested in softcore porn of animated middle schoolers. On a personal level, I don't really give two shits how many naked boobs they toss in, there have been plenty of shows that manage to be decent while also having heavy fanservice. But I do think that the drive to include it on the part of the creators can at times weaken the work as a whole, that they're essentially peddling softcore porn to an audience that's increasingly creepy, and that it's awkward for me to recommend something to a friend if it's fanservice-heavy. It just makes the industry and the fanbase more skeevy as a whole and makes me embarrassed to be associated with it. At some point it stops being putting something sexual to appeal to a certain audience in an otherwise nonsexual work, and starts just being softcore porn, aiming to be appreciated in ways other than artistically.
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I find it amusing in that there are all these shows with explicit fanservice but I can't remember too many instances where character actually have sex. I think the only anime I watched last year where characters actually had sex is White Album 2. Granted though, I'm haven't watched too many of the heavy fanservice shows.
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Apr 28, 2014 09:37
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Female characters in anime can never have boyfriends or husbands, because then they can't be the imaginary girlfriends of the nerds watching the show anymore. Those people are really broken. Does anyone remember how the author of Kannagi was harrassed by fans until she stopped making the manga, because the fans were outraged that Kannagi actually had a boyfriend in the past? Lucy Heartfilia fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Apr 28, 2014 09:39
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Bakanogami posted:Anime is just the opposite. The majority of shows these days pander exclusively to Japanese otaku, and they lap this poo poo up. If you flip through any Japanese language anime blog, you'll find they go nuts over dumb hot springs/beach episodes and the like. You watch anime on Niconico, the comments take note every time there's even a single frame of a panty shot. What you won't find is a single voice in opposition. The reactions of American anime watchers are fairly obvious from this viewpoint. And gnerally range from hilarious to annoying to an outsider.
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Apr 28, 2014 10:07
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Stall_19 posted:I find it amusing in that there are all these shows with explicit fanservice but I can't remember too many instances where character actually have sex. I think the only anime I watched last year where characters actually had sex is White Album 2. Granted though, I'm haven't watched too many of the heavy fanservice shows. There was sex in KLK. It was completely  and we could totally have done without it, but it happened.
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Apr 28, 2014 11:47
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i like the animes with hot sexy ladies in them.
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Apr 28, 2014 13:19
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Darth Walrus posted:There was sex in KLK. It was completely That was more a rape, not really the same thing. And holy poo poo yea it's more likely that that a female character will get raped in an anime than have consensual sex, now that I think about it. loving anime.
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Apr 28, 2014 13:20
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im going to make an anime where all the characters are strong, powerful, 30 year old women who wear fashionable pantsuits to their high-powered jobs in the finance sector
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Apr 28, 2014 13:24
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Dick Spacious CPA posted:i like the animes with hot sexy ladies in them. What's your definition of lady? I hope it's not underage girls.
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Apr 28, 2014 13:26
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:What's your definition of lady? I hope it's not underage girls. 
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I don't think it's out of line to point out when something is creepy or misogynistic in its portrayal of female characters, especially when it's in a broadcast medium and the driving force of a consumer market. Like it or not, this kind of stuff has not just societal implications but also affects the creative process for those who work to produce animation. Some might want to dismiss this kind of discussion as feminist social justice warrior babble or white-knighting, but that doesn't make the problematic aspects and their effects just disappear. I think overall people have become more aware of media representation, and there is a reactionary backlash (mostly amongst dudes who have never personally had to think about how their gender or race was being portrayed in popular culture before) against people who are calling for more thought in how subjects are addressed. Despite the stereotypes to the contrary, it's entirely possible to make something that doesn't denigrate people that isn't at the same time a humorless didactic treatise. There are plenty of great films and TV shows that have done so in the past.
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Apr 28, 2014 13:38
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Why are we so unbelievably obsessed with pointing out sexual content in anime and getting morally outraged about it? Around 2005 a bunch of ADTRW regulars were permabanned for lolicon. After that whenever anything remotely sexual popped up in animes it seemed like people would race to be the first to declare how creepy it is so as not to be lumped in with those types by the rest of the forum. It stuck.
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It's a fairly stark before/after transition centering around 2005; jump into the archives to get an idea for just how bad it used to be. You don't see TVIV/CD doing an annual "rear end shot of the year" thread after all.
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Dick Spacious CPA posted:im going to make an anime where all the characters are strong, powerful, 30 year old women who wear fashionable pantsuits to their high-powered jobs in the finance sector Turning Girls Season 2 confirmed?!
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Nate RFB posted:It's a fairly stark before/after transition centering around 2005; jump into the archives to get an idea for just how bad it used to be. You don't see TVIV/CD doing an annual "rear end shot of the year" thread after all. That sort of poo poo did give us the dearly departed ins anely sexy anime thread, though.
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Darth Walrus posted:There was sex in KLK. It was completely If you're referring to the Satsuki/Ragyo scene then I actually enjoyed that scene in ways I can't explain. ...No, not in THAT way. Just... the idea of mothers using sexuality to control their daughters has stuck with me for some reason. Then again, there's a good chance I'd enjoy any scene with Blumenkranz playing in the background. Neeksy posted:I don't think it's out of line to point out when something is creepy or misogynistic in its portrayal of female characters, especially when it's in a broadcast medium and the driving force of a consumer market. Like it or not, this kind of stuff has not just societal implications but also affects the creative process for those who work to produce animation. Some might want to dismiss this kind of discussion as feminist social justice warrior babble or white-knighting, but that doesn't make the problematic aspects and their effects just disappear. Good post. Personally, I don't care about seeing boobies in my shows. It's the overall representation that matters. If the boobies are the most interesting part of the character, that's a problem. I thought Yoko from TTGL was just tits with a gun. Her personality is bland and she just serves to give guys their first kiss before they die. It's not a case of 'oh lawd cover up those monstrous breasts before I faint from shock.' She was just... boring. In KLK, the girls are pretty much naked but by the time the series is over, you don't really care. They become fun and interesting characters regardless of their clothes. That's all that really matters to me, that artists put more thought into their girls than their cup size. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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uuuummm posted:If you're referring to the Satsuki/Ragyo scene then I actually enjoyed that scene in ways I can't explain. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 28, 2014 14:40
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Same.
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Apr 28, 2014 14:42
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gently caress guys what did I do
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uuuummm posted:gently caress guys what did I do You're being creepy. Like, really creepy.
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S-Alpha posted:You're being creepy. Like, really creepy. poo poo poo poo poo poo I DIDN'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT I was thoroughly creeped out by the scene, but I appreciated the message it may have been trying to convey. The idea of mothers controlling their daughters' sexuality made a lot of sense to me, having grown up in a religious community. Sex is shameful. Nakedness is sinful, cover yourself up. If you're not a virgin no man will want you. Ragyo's speech echoed these values. I think the show was demonizing this way of thinking. I'm not even attracted to girls I loving swear on my life.
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Apr 28, 2014 15:12
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OK this conversation is officially over, good lord
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By the way, my three episode tests didn't yield any surprises. I immediately dropped One Week Friends after one episode, but my impressions of all other shows stayed roughly the same between episode 1 and episode 3. Are there any shows that turned out surprisingly good or surprisingly bad when you compare the first impression with the three episode test?
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I'm enjoying Haikyuu and Baby Steps a lot more than I was expecting. I'm really wavering a lot with Captain Earth, although I'll probably watch out of sheer inertia. Absolutely everyone and their dog needs to be watching Ping-Pong, which has fired on all cylinders from the start.
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Zorak posted:OK this conversation is officially over, good lord It's bizarre to me how much the moderators of SA hate discussion. It's like they live in terror that maybe some of the people posting here might (gasp) interact or something. They removed the utterly stupid rules from the gamers.txt thread in Games and the first thread made after the change was goldmined within a week. This is obviously a discussion people want to have since they, y'know, keep trying to have it. Maybe instead of stamping your feet and screaming "NO!" every time people try and talk about anime in the anime forum, you could instead be a loving moderator and moderate the discussion instead of preemptively murdering it? Or I guess we could all go back to posting long, boring lists of shows we're watching that nobody else reads.
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I'm just gonna say I appreciate when people point out this poo poo because unlike ADTRW I don't feel the systematic need to watch every episode of every Japanese animated cartoon that's ever been made in the history of the country, so it's helpful in finding stuff to watch. If it means I only watch one or two cartoons in a season, that's probably a good thing. I prefer not being unpleasantly surprised so when someone says "this series has little to no fanservice and no creepy brother/sister poo poo", that's a big factor in my decision making.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:By the way, my three episode tests didn't yield any surprises. I immediately dropped One Week Friends after one episode, but my impressions of all other shows stayed roughly the same between episode 1 and episode 3. "Nanana" has been steadily improving since episode one.
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Nothing good was going to come out of that uuuummmm post. But besides that, Mushi-shi is spectacular and everyone should watch it. I also offer a reserved endorsement of One Week Friends, it's not as original as it could have been but it's sweet and reasonably well put together. I still have no idea what to make of Is The Order A Rabbit?
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Dick Spacious CPA posted:
Lucy Heartfilia posted:Same. No offence, but I think there may be a bit of inconsistency going on here.
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To change the topic entirely, All the Anime is getting their Kickstarter boots on, for a all-the-marbles-and-fireworks edition of Patema Inverted. By which, I mean they're planning on translating the Official Design Works, all the extras from the Japanese collector's edition and filming a couple more bits and pieces on top of that. Yours for the low price of £40, with a fiver off for the first 300 customers. The catch: this is going to be an entirely UK and Ireland affair, anyone else will be told to go away due to the joys of licensing.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:By the way, my three episode tests didn't yield any surprises. I immediately dropped One Week Friends after one episode, but my impressions of all other shows stayed roughly the same between episode 1 and episode 3. If anything, Mushishi is always better than I expect it to be. The World Is Still Beautiful was a pleasant surprise, even if it isn't blowing me away.
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In regards to One Week Friends: can anyone compare it to the similar story in ef - a tale of memories? It sounds way more contrived. I loved ef, partially for the drama but also because it had some of the best direction/cinematography this side of Utena.
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Joshlemagne posted:It's bizarre to me how much the moderators of SA hate discussion. It's like they live in terror that maybe some of the people posting here might (gasp) interact or something. They removed the utterly stupid rules from the gamers.txt thread in Games and the first thread made after the change was goldmined within a week. Its the anime season thread, not the WickedIcon reminds us why he's been probated and banned four dozen times for being a colossal weirdo thread, that's why. Maybe not every thread needs to be for arguing this topic. Maybe meta-discussion of forum posting habits is one of the most inane subjects, one of the most tiresome to moderate, and isn't really discussion with value. "Gee, lets argue about how people are being sjw warriors for criticizing an anime for veering softcore porn in a thread that doesn't functionally exist anymore in the thread about the current anime season". Like we really need yet another place to whine about such a clearly fundamental and important topic. Especially since the response has been almost entirely "uhhh duh" beyond people getting themselves probated. Zorak fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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ViggyNash posted:If anything, Mushishi is always better than I expect it to be. Welllll... I always expect it to be better than I expected. Another thing I like about Mushishi is that all episodes are satisfying to watch, no matter if they're lighthearted or dark. All are welcome.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Welllll... I always expect it to be better than I expected. Does Mushishi ever get any kind of arc or ongoing elements going? I watched a few episodes of the first season way back when, and it was really cool but without any ongoing story it didn't hook me that hard and I forget about it eventually.
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Zorak posted:Its the anime season thread, not the WickedIcon reminds us why he's been probated and banned four dozen times for being a colossal weirdo thread, that's why. This all being said, if arguing this is so important a topic to people, feel free to make a thread for it. Just don't be surprised if it turns into a glorified honeypot or literally nothing of value comes from it as people reiterate everything that has already been said. Or you could do something more valuable with your time. Like read a book.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:By the way, my three episode tests didn't yield any surprises. I immediately dropped One Week Friends after one episode, but my impressions of all other shows stayed roughly the same between episode 1 and episode 3. Some slight upticks and downticks on certain shows, but so far everything I've watched to three episodes has been reasonably consistent with my first impression. Mind you none of the new shows this season gave me a glowing first impression so there wasn't any hype for them to live up to. Coffin Princess so far has been my favorite, and I'm still undecided about Mekkaku City. (Watching JoJo, Still the World is Beautiful, Chaika, Nanana, Mekkaku City)
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Zorak posted:Or you could do something more valuable with your time. Like read a book. Any recommendations?
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Franz von Dada posted:Any recommendations? House of Leaves is the evangelion of books.
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Franz von Dada posted:Any recommendations? All the books you could ever want. All the books you will ever need.
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