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Hobgoblin2099 posted:It helps that Sazh is the most level-headed of the party, too. Something I'm liking about Sazh so far is that, although he's the guy who's left with the "Wait. You know this is an awful idea?" and "Are you sure about this" style lines, he's not going against every plan or going into fatalistic whining. He just wants to take the best approach to a given problem. Meanwhile, Lightning tries to sound badass in response to every single thing anyone says and calls Sazh racist when he goes "Uh, you know that there's no cure for Fa'ciel, right? Might want to think how you're going to deal with that if a miracle doesn't come up or something."
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Bregor posted:Yeah, I'll agree with you based on what we've seen so far. But I hope (puns!) people are keeping an open mind moving forward. I've actually played about 20 hours of this game before finally giving up and returning the drat thing. I've seen some, though not all of the major developments Hope goes through and I still kinda hate him. I'll grant that it's entirely possible that Hope has some amazing plot moments down the line, but when I put the game down I was just so far beyond caring. The problem is that even if the characters become more nuanced and relatable down the line, they still have to fight through the horrible first impression that the game has already established.
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May 4, 2014 23:39
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chiasaur11 posted:He just wants to take the best approach to a given problem. Meanwhile, Lightning tries to sound badass in response to every single thing anyone says and calls Sazh racist when he goes "Uh, you know that there's no cure for Fa'ciel, right? Might want to think how you're going to deal with that if a miracle doesn't come up or something." Tries to be badass is what seems to sum up Lightning best here. She just comes out as an rear end in a top hat at best and a too-cool-for-you Mary Sue at worst. That being said, according to the thread the writing will somehow get worse in the sequels so there's something to look forward to I guess?
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May 5, 2014 07:36
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anilEhilated posted:Tries to be badass is what seems to sum up Lightning best here. She just comes out as an rear end in a top hat at best and a too-cool-for-you Mary Sue at worst. They don't get worse exactly, just entirely more incomprehensible.
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May 5, 2014 07:52
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anilEhilated posted:Tries to be badass is what seems to sum up Lightning best here. She just comes out as an rear end in a top hat at best and a too-cool-for-you Mary Sue at worst. The really sad thing? With the flashbacks they hint at something that could work. Lightning's really awkward, and it's the first time in years she's been without a command structure telling her what to do. So, simple answer. Lightning's trying to sound badass because she has no idea what in the hell she's doing, and she's playing a part so nobody guesses. Problem is, that's pretty much Snow's niche too. Could build up some parallels, maybe make something of that, but it'd be trickier to keep the arcs distinct. Also, it would require at least a few moments where Lightning isn't being 100% the coolest your new favorite isn't she great, so not happening in the FFXIII series.
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May 5, 2014 07:58
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The issue is that while Lightning starts out ahead on the whole 'I am a soldier and therefore good in combat' thing, being a l'cie can make up for a lack of practical experience. By the time you get to the endgame everyone is more or less equal with strengths and weaknesses in different areas, and they all get their time to shine in the plot and 'be badass', except maybe Vanille. This apparently wasn't the intended goal, because in the sequels they crank Lightning from "Badass also-ran" all the way up to "Untouchable Perfect Mary-sue".
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It's so incredibly frustrating because I want to like Lightning. A female lead in a big AAA video game? And she doesn't have a hokey love story to go with her? Sign me the gently caress up, we need some more of those. But no, like everything else in this game she's entirely one-note, and that note is "super kewl stoic badass" 
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So i know it was quite a while ago that he did this, but watching a SpoonyOne video reminded me that he had reviewed this game! I won't link to review because it has spoilers in it (plus the first 2-3 parts are him just being loving nitpicky), but it reminded me that i read in the now defunct Spoonywatch thread (back when his mental breakdown and leaving of Channel Awesome was the hottest internet news) that apparently he wanted to the Harry Plinkett Star Wars thing where he would have people describe a character without actually saying their name or their job description, thus proving a point that these characters are terrible. But unfortunately for him people actually COULD describe these characters using these restrictions so he had to throw out that whole bit of the review and he got a little mad about it on twitter. It was either that or he wanted to do that same thing but with the music in some way? I don't really remember exactly unfortunately.
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:So i know it was quite a while ago that he did this, but watching a SpoonyOne video reminded me that he had reviewed this game! I won't link to review because it has spoilers in it (plus the first 2-3 parts are him just being loving nitpicky), but it reminded me that i read in the now defunct Spoonywatch thread (back when his mental breakdown and leaving of Channel Awesome was the hottest internet news) that apparently he wanted to the Harry Plinkett Star Wars thing where he would have people describe a character without actually saying their name or their job description, thus proving a point that these characters are terrible. Sounds really shortsighted. The point of the exercise wasn't that it was a watermark for if something is good or bad, it was to show the phantom menace characters in particular are nonentities with no personal appeal, no personality. xiii's characters do have personality. Very one note one dimensional personalities, one trait each that they each adhere to almost robotically, but that still passes the test.
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Rita Repulsa posted:Sounds really shortsighted. A much better explanation that i gave! I've not seen the review in a long time, but i knew it was something to do with the characters and that's about it 
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May 6, 2014 21:15
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We recorded commentary for the next two videos today, but I wouldn't expect anything until Friday at the earliest. On the plus side, it'll be another Eidolon fight, and I know you guys will be excited for that!
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May 6, 2014 23:07
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I am so excited for the Bahamut brothers turning into a little tricycle for Hope! That is a thing isn't it? I wish it were.
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May 6, 2014 23:31
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In a game filled with ridiculous Eidolon transformations, Hope's stands alone at the top of the pile. You can not even begin to guess how stupid his is (nor will we see it first-hand until Chapter 11, so you'll have plenty of examples to compare it to).
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May 6, 2014 23:44
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I don't know how much more you would want me to say about it but his is the only one that is unique to this game right? I can't think of any other appearances off the top of my head anyway. But like you said, there's plenty of time for ridiculousness so i'll just leave it at that.
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May 6, 2014 23:52
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:I don't know how much more you would want me to say about it but his is the only one that is unique to this game right? I can't think of any other appearances off the top of my head anyway. But like you said, there's plenty of time for ridiculousness so i'll just leave it at that.
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May 6, 2014 23:56
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I do not see how you could get stupider than snow's mechanical impropriety
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:I don't know how much more you would want me to say about it but his is the only one that is unique to this game right? I can't think of any other appearances off the top of my head anyway. But like you said, there's plenty of time for ridiculousness so i'll just leave it at that. Aside from two games, Hope's has appeared in literally every main numbered Final Fantasy game before this since IV. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 00:19 on May 7, 2014 |
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May 7, 2014 00:05
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Oh good, that means we're at the point where I stopped.
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May 7, 2014 00:07
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Aside from two games, Hope's has appeared in literally every main numbered Final Fantasy game before this since IV. He sort of appears in XII, as much as any summon appears in XII.
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May 7, 2014 00:37
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Aside from two games, Hope's has appeared in literally every main numbered Final Fantasy game before this since IV. "Every main game since IV"? I'm guessing it's Alexander.
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Wales Grey posted:"Every main game since IV"? I'm guessing it's Alexander. Alexander is too cool for Hope. There's no way he deserves a giant living castle with orbital lasers as his spirit buddy who also tries to kill him. My money's on Carbuncle.
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May 7, 2014 02:18
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It's the spirit of "that one combat mechanic that was supposed to be amazing and revolutionary, but you hate it so much you declare the Final Fantasy series dead forever until you find yourself waiting in line for the midnight launch of the next one". The only part I won't spoil for you is the name.
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Cattail Prophet posted:Alexander is too cool for Hope. There's no way he deserves a giant living castle with orbital lasers as his spirit buddy who also tries to kill him. My money's on Carbuncle. Please let it be Gilgamesh. The perfect foil for the angsty teenager.
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anilEhilated posted:Please let it be Gilgamesh. The perfect foil for the angsty teenager. He dresses Hope as a dog and calls him Enkidu 
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Oh yes, he'll use that move "Fly, Enkidu!" from 12, and then given this is ATB he'll throw Hope at the enemies multiple times in the spanw of a view seconds.
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I'm a bit surprised you're all trying to figure out which Eidolon Hope has in Chapter 11 rather than guessing which one appears in the next update.
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:I don't know how much more you would want me to say about it but his is the only one that is unique to this game right? I can't think of any other appearances off the top of my head anyway. But like you said, there's plenty of time for ridiculousness so i'll just leave it at that. There are actually two Eidolons unique to this game - Sazh's and Vanille's. Sazh's is the best.
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Good news: Editing is done way ahead of schedule and there'll be an update later tonight. Bad news: I somehow deleted the source footage for the video, so I'm going to have to use the quick and dirty encode that I use when we do commentary. It's not going to look as pretty as usual, but it's not unwatchable (until Youtube has its way with it, at least) so it'll have to do.
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May 8, 2014 00:10
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I'm starting to get the impression that Hope hates Snow. Also, despite the Eidolon transformations in this game being rather silly, I do like Lightning's Gestalt Mode.
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So, Light(ning) said that she will toughen Hope up near the end. But the game told us that moms are tough. Does that mean she is going to turn Hope into a mom?
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ApeHawk posted:So, Light(ning) said that she will toughen Hope up near the end. Or something along those lines.
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Man, Lightning talking about how the team might be enemies next time they meet just made me think of this game where she actually is your enemy and you can give her exactly what she deserves for being such an annoying rear end in a top hat. Alas, that will never happen because Square-Enix is madly in love with her. I know that it was pointed out in the video that the minigame was kind of out of place for FFXIII but my reasons for it are different: that looked actually fun. Like, they had an actually good idea with actual good execution, a moment that was neither grimdark nor stupid cheerful Vanille-style, but a part that was genuinely fun in both atmosphere and gameplay. It will never happen again, and that saddens me. Praising the one thing everyone has, holy poo poo this game is pretty. That Odin summon might be the most beautiful one I've seen in the entire series. Light slashing her crystal then having that massive, complex, beautiful summon circle appear and then Odin was just so nice! Reminded me of Persona for a moment. You know, a far better game than this piece of poo poo. But as piece of poo poo it is, I can say that whoever designed that sequence has my respect. I hope the other summon sequences are as pretty too, at least that way I can think that there's one (and only one) thing this game does well! ...That said, transforming into Sleipnir is really loving stupid and that transformation looked lame as hell. Also I don't like Odin's design much, nor the weird-rear end dual-edged Zantetsuken, but that might be just an old-time fan protesting change, and it's really minor either way in comparison to how badly this game fucks up everything else. And talking about Zantetsuken, nice spinning there Lightning. Good to know that the strongest attack at the player's disposal is Top Spin. Also, Dissidia adapted these attacks really well, so props to a far, far better game. That still suffered from having Lightning in it. Small detail, but I just noticed how Auto-battle changes to Auto-heal as a MED and Auto-chain as a RAV. It's pointless but neat.
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AradoBalanga posted:Well, note that she said "we". This means that Lightning's plan probably involves throwing Odin at Hope repeatedly. -cuts to Hope getting pummeled by Odin forever-
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Blaze Dragon posted:And talking about Zantetsuken, nice spinning there Lightning. Good to know that the strongest attack at the player's disposal is Top Spin. Also, Dissidia adapted these attacks really well, so props to a far, far better game. That still suffered from having Lightning in it. Lightning wasn't really all that bad in Dissidia, though. Besides, she got killed off at the end of it, so it seems like you'd be happy about that, at least.
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That really is depressing that the game includes a minigame that actually looks vaguely fun (and that could've easily been expanded a bit to be really fun) lasts about 40 seconds and is never used again. This game so desperately needs that sort of variety. People praise the balance in this game, but having gimmick fights where, even knowing exactly what you're supposed to do before even starting the fight, you can still easily lose seems poorly done. And while I can't roll my eyes hard enough at the whole Transformers summons thing, I don't particularly mind Odin turning into a horse. What I DO mind is that he didn't turn into Final Fantasy's traditional Sleipnir, which has 6 legs (the original Sleipnir from mythology has 8 legs, but the one in FF suffers from cutbacks).
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Well, at least it makes sense that Odin is the biggest dick ever. Of all time.
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