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Captain Oblivious posted:It's not really worth it in and of itself but yeah my disdain for Rise means that the extent to which Marie makes Rise super mad pleases me. Well, I was kind of in a rush since I really did only her first rank and nothing else for six months after, so I figured what the hell, let's get this over with. I don't hate Marie, she's just alright, like most everyone else.
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The person I hated the most was the main character. Marie clearly didn't like it when he reads her poems. After the first time he should have employed the 'don't be a loving creep' policy and just given her the poems back without reading them. Every time he picked a poem up and read it, I got a super creep feeling. "why am I being creepy?  "
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May 15, 2014 23:51
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redreader posted:The person I hated the most was the main character. Marie clearly didn't like it when he reads her poems. After the first time he should have employed the 'don't be a loving creep' policy and just given her the poems back without reading them. Every time he picked a poem up and read it, I got a super creep feeling. "why am I being creepy? Yu . o O ( MUST CONSUME NEW CONTENT. MUST CONSUME IT ALL! )
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May 15, 2014 23:53
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redreader posted:The person I hated the most was the main character. Marie clearly didn't like it when he reads her poems. After the first time he should have employed the 'don't be a loving creep' policy and just given her the poems back without reading them. Every time he picked a poem up and read it, I got a super creep feeling. "why am I being creepy?
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May 16, 2014 00:02
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Define benefit. I kinda liked Marie the first time I played. Second time I was pretty done with her but I still don't hate her, she's just boring and doesn't fit in the game well. It's not even her character, she's not more anime or different from the rest of the cast. They just didn't do a good job making it feel like a natural inclusion. She does have that one good line at the end of her s-link though.
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May 16, 2014 00:05
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I just thought it was bullshit her awful poetry is the only text you can't skip in the entire game. She booby trapped the Velvet Room with her Devart account. I just want to fuse my Personas!
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May 16, 2014 00:28
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dragon_pamcake posted:I just thought it was bullshit her awful poetry is the only text you can't skip in the entire game. She booby trapped the Velvet Room with her Devart account. Holding Triangle worked well enough.
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May 16, 2014 00:33
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I liked Marie well enough. I mean she wasn't one of my favorite characters ever but I liked her and her S-link well enough. And I really didn't mind her poetry much either, I just chalked it up to "haw haw teenagers and their awkward poetry". I mean I suppose since I never played PS2 version it's not as jarring to me to have her inserted into the story, but it felt natural enough to me that I didn't mind.
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May 16, 2014 00:40
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alcharagia posted:I think this is actually the first time these words have been unironically spoken on these forums. Good job on your first, UberJumper! Eh she likes meat. Captain Oblivious posted:Are you denying that Marie is the most tiresome and generic tsundere destined anime waifu? It's basically the same criticism people have of Yukiko except taken to 11. After looking up with tsundere means, i don't really see how it applies to marie after the two scenes i have seen with her. She seemed pretty nice when you first do something with her? She is kinda of a jerk when you first meet her in the limo, but i just assumed its a byproduct of being stuck in the limo (i imagine that must be horribly boring). I haven't met Rise or the person with the blue hat from the intro, but marie doesn't seem that bad, so far.
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May 16, 2014 00:56
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I don't hate Marie but I do hate her bonus dungeon because it has the most tedious gimmick in the history of tedious gimmicks, and I say that as someone who played and enjoyed Strange Journey
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May 16, 2014 01:14
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The SP gimmick might as well not even exist, you'll never actually have any issues with running out since so long as you have light/dark spells or use Naoto you'll end every fight before the enemies get to move. And if you have Victory Cry early even that mild concern is thrown out the window. I didn't like the fact that the way the dungeon is designed, you get almost no experience, zero money, and none of the equipment you get can be used elsewhere. The gently caress is the point?
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May 16, 2014 01:20
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Manatee Cannon posted:The SP gimmick might as well not even exist, you'll never actually have any issues with running out since so long as you have light/dark spells or use Naoto you'll end every fight before the enemies get to move. And if you have Victory Cry early even that mild concern is thrown out the window. I didn't like the fact that the way the dungeon is designed, you get almost no experience, zero money, and none of the equipment you get can be used elsewhere. The gently caress is the point? YOU LOVE MARIE. YOU WILL SACRIFICE ALL TO SAVE HER. MARIE IS THE POINT.
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May 16, 2014 01:23
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This is the only good thing about Marie's optional dungeon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyNanTAsU3s
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May 16, 2014 01:29
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projecthalaxy posted:YOU LOVE MARIE. YOU WILL SACRIFICE ALL TO SAVE HER. MARIE IS THE POINT.
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Manatee Cannon posted:The SP gimmick might as well not even exist, you'll never actually have any issues with running out since so long as you have light/dark spells or use Naoto you'll end every fight before the enemies get to move. And if you have Victory Cry early even that mild concern is thrown out the window. I didn't like the fact that the way the dungeon is designed, you get almost no experience, zero money, and none of the equipment you get can be used elsewhere. The gently caress is the point? I don't think they wanted to screw up the balance of the final dungeon, nor rebalance the final dungeon around it (particularly because Marie's dungeon is optional), so the easy solution is to make nothing you do in there actually matter outside of the Hollow Forest. Its purpose is to give the player a fun challenge unlike anything they may have experienced in the PS2 game. And there doesn't really need to be any purpose other than that.
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May 16, 2014 02:13
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redreader posted:The person I hated the most was the main character. That guy's nothing but a goddamn Gary Stu.
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I think the biggest problem with Marie is that she's in this weird sort of pseudo-main character limbo where she's important enough to hang out with the main group but not important enough to actually affect any of the plot outside of her own little side story. It's weird and clunky and not really very well executed, but I don't honestly see any better way to handle it short of not adding her in at all. Like, do you just flat out add her to the main plotline, act like she's always been there how the hell could you have ever missed this jeez what's wrong with you, risk it coming off as even more ham-handed and forced, and piss off everyone who doesn't really give a poo poo and would rather just ignore that she even exists? Or you could go the other way and make her have just as much plot impact as any other social link i.e. no real impact at all, but that kind of defeats the purpose of even adding a new character in the first place. For my part, I never really minded Marie or anything associated with her. I mean, she's not exactly an essential addition to the game, but she's not really an active detriment either. The extra dungeon isn't exactly a beacon of stellar design, but it barely scratches the surface when it comes to Atlus hating their players, it's got decent music, and the plot stuff that comes along with it at least does a decent job of bridging the gap between the main game's supernatural whodunnit plot and the endgame. That Scene... well, it isn't really defensible, but at least it can be outright skipped. As far as the character herself goes, Marie's hardly the worst or most annoying character to show up in recent Atlus games (Yuzu, Midori) or even in recent Persona games (Ken, P3-era Fuuka and Aigis, like loving half of P3's social links good god). And if you flat out just don't give a gently caress, pretty much everything tied to her is gated behind an optional S-Link, so you can largely ignore it all if you prefer. I dunno. I guess I like the additional stuff well enough conceptually that it's not too hard to overlook the kinda poor execution. V  V
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May 16, 2014 03:14
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Right, my main criticism for Marie has always been that she doesn't feel very well integrated into the main April-December plot. Every time she does show up it feels very forced, and her S. Link is written in a weird way where it doesn't flow like the others (they're a lot longer and the party members are kind of shoehorned into them). They do indeed feel like fanfiction segments. It would have been more work on top of an already improved game, but they should have made the effort to make her a more natural addition. The rest of it, the poems the dungeons the design, is like whatever really. I can't say I really enjoyed them but they are in no way something I feel like getting up in arms about (as opposed to say Ken or some of the P3 S. Links).
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May 16, 2014 03:23
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In retrospect having her be literally the first person you meet after getting off the train is probably a bad move.
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May 16, 2014 03:25
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MrAristocrates posted:In retrospect having her be literally the first person you meet after getting off the train is probably a bad move. Having her replace Nanako as the last person to encourage the MC in the final battle was worse.
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Eh i agree she is kind of akwardly shoe horned in, but i honestly don't mind that much. I am guessing she is going to be used to explain a bit more about the room, the nose and the girl in the blue coat. So far from what i have seen her story is pretty  , she has no idea of anything really, she is confused and forced to serve a man who apparently never speaks.  Ghost Stories I still really do not like Chie's new VA. Sometimes its fine, other times it just doesn't work.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Having her replace Nanako as the last person to encourage the MC in the final battle was worse. This is the absolute single worst thing about marie, straight up for reals no irony
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May 16, 2014 04:17
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UberJumper posted:So far from what i have seen her story is pretty
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May 16, 2014 04:20
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Endorph posted:Igor wasn't given any new lines in P4G because his japanese voice actor died. I was more referring to the fact that Marie says that the Nose never speaks when she is complaining about living in the limo. Also did Persona 4 Golden remove people asking to study with you? I just got to exams and i very distinctly recall studying a few times with Chie, i never got that option this time.
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May 16, 2014 04:24
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UberJumper posted:I was more referring to the fact that Marie says that the Nose never speaks when she is complaining about living in the limo. You can still study with them if you approach them on certain days before exams.
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May 16, 2014 04:30
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UberJumper posted:I was more referring to the fact that Marie says that the Nose never speaks when she is complaining about living in the limo.
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May 16, 2014 04:31
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I really wish studying with Yosuke or Chie would improve the outcomes of their tests. That's one little touch they never gave me.
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May 16, 2014 04:33
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Suspicious Cook posted:I really wish studying with Yosuke or Chie would improve the outcomes of their tests. That's one little touch they never gave me. You can save the world, but you're not a miracle worker.
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May 16, 2014 04:38
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A Bystander posted:You can save the world, but you're not a miracle worker. Zero multiplied by anything is still zero, after all.
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May 16, 2014 04:41
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After getting the first social link with Adachi, and hanging out with him, i find him so odd. I am assuming he is just an awkward minor character who was promoted to fulfill an arcana type social link? I just find him so weird.
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May 16, 2014 05:09
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You're pretty much right, he's just got a portrait and the fans ended up liking him more than they expected so why not?
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May 16, 2014 05:10
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Orgia Carnaval posted:You're pretty much right, he's just got a portrait and the fans ended up liking him more than they expected so why not? Yeah, the fangirls went crazy for him. Dunno why. He's easily made into a yaoi pairing with Dojima, I guess?
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I kinda get the feeling that they added Marie, realized "hey, we've got this whole other set of Arcana open to us now, why stop with just Aeon", and decided to put some time into developing Adachi as a character too. Cause yeah, in the original he's this sorta weird, doofy guy who's always just kinda there as Dojima's partner, not really much of a character in and of himself.
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May 16, 2014 05:21
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Hellioning posted:He's easily made into a yaoi pairing with Dojima, I guess? Something about this sentence just makes me irrationally angry.
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May 16, 2014 05:35
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You mean to tell us comedy sidekicks don't deserve love did the Year of Luigi teach us nothing?
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May 16, 2014 05:35
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Suspicious Cook posted:Something about this sentence just makes me irrationally angry. Nothing irrational about that. What I want to know is why the Pale Rider is in the Jester Arcana and the White Rider is in Death. That's just silly, Atlus.
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May 16, 2014 05:36
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Suspicious Cook posted:Something about this sentence just makes me irrationally angry. i know, yu/adachi or bust
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May 16, 2014 06:24
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I didn't play Persona 4, but Adachi was pretty offputting in the Giant Bomb playthrough. Didn't really want to hang out with that in the new game.
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