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Amateur Sketch posted:I never understand why people recommend Widowmakers at 15 points. You get 4 shots that will only do a point of damage if the target has decent armor. Maybe 2 rounds of shooting before the enemy gets to you, and then it's only 4 easily-killed bodies. I'm sure they're great at other point levels, but I feel like Greylords or min WG would be a better low point option. Choir of Menoth, Krielstone, pain givers. High value single wound support pieces that other factions put in to make 15, Widowmakers take them out just as easily.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Alright, I've made a decision re: choosing a faction. Congratulations, you have made the objectively correct choice. Prioritize Shepherds and Forsaken as your first non-beast purchases. Go wild!
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Alright, I've made a decision re: choosing a faction. Alright welcome to the Hordes side. Giant Effin beasts are always awesome
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May 16, 2014 14:56
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Alright, I've made a decision re: choosing a faction. Quite a few people seem to be jumping ship from Warhammer, welcome to the other side. Everyone is different, but I've found Hordes way more fun by going crazy with fury for one turn, and unleashing the nightmare that is next turn.
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May 16, 2014 15:01
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What's missing from the mini-rulebook? Fluff, illustrations, army lists, anything else?
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May 16, 2014 15:13
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Basically fluff and the basic units from all the main armies. Nothing necessary and you get the same unit info from the free version of warroom.
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May 16, 2014 15:33
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Exinos posted:Basically fluff and the basic units from all the main armies. Nothing necessary and you get the same unit info from the free version of warroom. Basically this. The mini rules have enough rules for the models you have and the other Hordes/Warmachine factions. The real rulebook has rules and descriptions and stats for roughly 60% of the units for all of the armies of Hordes or Warmachine. The faction books have info about tiered armies and fluff. There are still. Some extra units that are not in the faction books. If you don't care about the fluff, as far as your faction goes probably the most economical way get into it would be to buy your faction's army in the Warroom App. You get updated info on all of your army units including errata corrections without needing to buy multiple books for $6.99. Also the warroom app allows you to mark off damage on your units and things of the sort. It's a stupidly good deal unless you want a hard copy of everything. (In a tournament rules will disqualify you if your device with info fails so either have multiple devices or buy a hard copy for tournaments). I think that's about it.
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Also when you buy your faction book you'll see the Tier lists and decide that it's probably a good idea to build towards one. Don't do this! Tier lists range from between very strong and awful, but almost all of them are intended for experienced players who know the ins and outs of their faction and who don't mind buying multiple copies of units that can't be used outside of the tier (i.e. 4 units of a Force Allowance 2 unit)
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Lord Of Texas posted:Congratulations, you have made the objectively correct choice. Prioritize Shepherds and Forsaken as your first non-beast purchases. Go wild! Also: magnetize your heavies and find someone to split the two player battlebox with.
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waah posted:The faction books have info about tiered armies and fluff. There are still. Some extra units that are not in the faction books. If you don't care about the fluff, as far as your faction goes probably the most economical way get into it would be to buy your faction's army in the Warroom App. You get updated info on all of your army units including errata corrections without needing to buy multiple books for $6.99. Also the warroom app allows you to mark off damage on your units and things of the sort. It's a stupidly good deal unless you want a hard copy of everything. Everyone just needs to be ready to buy the full Warroom package via the Ultimate bundle. Every single Warmahordes player I know has 1 or 2 decks unlocked in the Warroom store and then the full bundle anyway. As those single unlocks do not lower the cost of the bundles it turns into lost cash. Not only is it crazy useful for knowing what every unit in the game does it saves you money over time. Like, when they released Convergence I did not have to pay anything extra to get it, it just appeared on my phone one day. For any Warhammer converts that are put off by the price, just mess around with the free version for a few days. Build some lists with the freebie cards not just for your faction but the others as well to get a feeling for it. Then when you're looking at the $60.00 price tag just think that it's spending $60.00 for a digital copy of the rules for every single model that has been released or will be released along with the text automatically being updated to reflect errata or clarifications. That's basically the price for a single digital codex from GW so you lose out on the full but you have all the cards for the important model rules. Edit - If your just starting out I would not make the purchase right away. Stick with the free version to start as it's got the cards for the battle boxes and then some other stuff. Play some games and once you're ready to expand past 15 - 25 points you should have an idea if the game is really for you and the $60.00 is worth it. Exinos fucked around with this message at 17:35 on May 16, 2014 |
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Exinos posted:Everyone just needs to be ready to buy the full Warroom package via the Ultimate bundle. Every single Warmahordes player I know has 1 or 2 decks unlocked in the Warroom store and then the full bundle anyway. As those single unlocks do not lower the cost of the bundles it turns into lost cash. I just bought the one for my faction initially. I know that I will buy the full $60 one, but losing out on six dollars of savings can be recouped by watching for miniature market deals, or ebay sales, & etc. You do give really good advice though. The war room app is so drat good.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Alright, I've made a decision re: choosing a faction. Good to see you made the right choice, like GEMorris said you should pick up the hordes two-player box and find someone to split the circle with or ebay it or whatever, honestly it's not a bad deal if you just toss the circle in the trash (don't do that). Get the warspear chieftain and Thagrosh1 and go to town. Lylyth1, the caster that comes with the starter, is honestly not very good and is a poor choice to build up a meaty/brick list. Thagrosh1 has a really strong attrition game due to Death Shroud, his feat, and the ability to easily give out spiny growth. He's also a good caster to start with in legion because he doesn't require as much positioning/shenanigans to be effective with as Saeryn or the Vayl1/2. Other strong combos to consider are legionnaires+spawning vessel, ravagore+shepherd, and forsaken for general fury management. All the non-character heavy beasts in legion are good, though a lot of lists that aren't Thagrosh1 won't use a carnivean and instead take multiples of scytheans or ravagores. Enjoy ignoring all the terrain on the board and stealth.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Alright, I've made a decision re: choosing a faction. Welcome to blind dragon town! As another new Legion player (Started in August) here is some advice I can give. Split the two-player box with a pal if at all possible. Alternately pick up the Legion half on eBay. pLylyth is a fine place to start, you'll use Shredders (though not all 4) in a lot of lists, the warspears are playable, and the heavy warbeast body is great to have. Speaking of the Carnivean, magnetize that guy. It didn't take me too long to do mine, and I've ended up playing Syctheans and Ravigores way more than Carniveans. Early Purchases: Blighted Nyss Shepherd (really a must have fury mitigation tool) Forsaken (another fury mitigation tool, try them both out) Warspear Chieftain (if you got the two player box) Angelius (A great heavy warbeast, although the model is a pain in the rear end to assemble.) For Troops Blighted Nyss Legionnaires (good tarpit unit) Spawning Vessel (eats up the dead legos) Alternate casters: eVayl is a blast if you like the spell casting part of warlocks. She can also nuke an opponent to death on her feat turn. Absylonia I haven't played her much, but I have a friend who is also new who plays an all beast and mitigators army and she loves Absylonia. p or eThagrosh are both guys with awesome models if you want a caster who can mix it up a bit. War room - I bought it with all the cards in one shot, but I also picked up PaintVagrant's Cryx army so I had something painted (amazingly) to play with while I slow painted out my Legion, and I needed all the cards for that, so War room was a better option for me. EDIT: Avoid most all of the nephilem when you start out. They aren't that great and learning to play is tough to begin with if you're starting against vets. Karnegal fucked around with this message at 18:45 on May 16, 2014 |
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Ohhhh, sweet, pThagrosh (and eventually eThagrosh) was my pick for best caster models, so it's  that he's good for what I want to do.
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waah posted:(In a tournament rules will disqualify you if your device with info fails so either have multiple devices or buy a hard copy for tournaments). I've done 32 man tournaments start to finish without battery issues on my Kindle Fire as long as I put it into Airplane mode. Been War Room exclusive since the new version dropped. Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Ohhhh, sweet, pThagrosh (and eventually eThagrosh) was my pick for best caster models, so it's Pro-tip for new Thagrosh1 players: pay attention to what in your opponent's army can remove from play. Beasts RFPed can NOT be brought back by Thag's feat.
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M. Night Skymall posted:Stuff. All this is spot on, I'd only add: go ahead and get another heavy kit and magnetize all the parts in both the new kit, and on the carnivean in your battlebox. Thagrosh1 is legit both as a starting caster and as a tournament drop. Edit: beaten by Karnegal cause I forgot to hit post. GEMorris fucked around with this message at 19:36 on May 16, 2014 |
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Just picked up Kreoss3 from a friend, what does he run well besides vengers?
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gilljoy posted:Just picked up Kreoss3 from a friend, what does he run well besides vengers? Everything. No, really, there isn't much that Kreoss3 doesn't run well. Vengers are awesome with him. Daughters are awesome. Flamebringers are even decent. He is one of Menoth's best jack casters. Errants are awesome with everyone, including him.
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Alright, 15 points of Legion. Thagrosh1 (-5) Raek (4) Shredder (2) Shredder (2) Carnivean (11) Shepherd (1) I know that, in particular, the Raek isn't really optimal, but holy christ I love it's model.
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I think raeks are underused. Put tenacity on them and they are 16/15 which is pretty damned hard to kill, and the leap lets them get scary places.
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Trolls love Thagrosh lists. Mmmm, snacking.
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:I know that, in particular, the Raek isn't really optimal, but holy christ I love it's model. Raek's rule. Shadowshift is so drat useful when you have a caster like Thagrosh who who beat up clowns himself.
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Khisanth Magus posted:Everything. No, really, there isn't much that Kreoss3 doesn't run well. Vengers are awesome with him. Daughters are awesome. Flamebringers are even decent. He is one of Menoth's best jack casters. Errants are awesome with everyone, including him. TFg are pretty legit with his +2 def anti spells buff.
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More x-posting from the Oath Thread!   (more here) So I finally went with these 15 points: Mortenebra & Deryliss 2x Warwitch Siren 3x Slayers I did end up going with her tier (against advice, I know) to cram 3 Slayers into 15 points - But I already had most of those models and nothing is only usable in that list. Plus I really want to see three Slayers wreck poo poo at Terminal Velocity. So if it's a terrible mistake, I just have to paint up something else out of my 2nd-hand pile and spend some more time in the app.
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Karnegal posted:Split the two-player box with a pal if at all possible. Alternately pick up the Legion half on eBay. pLylyth is a fine place to start, you'll use Shredders (though not all 4) in a lot of lists Unless you're playing eThagrosh then this is only a quarter of the shredders needed. For a 25 point list.
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Troll definitely look awesome and all, but I already have an infantry army, and runes of war does not appeal to me.
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DJ Dizzy posted:Argh... Trolls or Legion. I am tempted by Skorne aswell It's a simple question with a simple answer: Do you like ludicrous overkill? If yes, pick Skorne, if no pick some other dumb faction, I don't care.
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stabbington posted:You Love the Pyre Troll. And the Kithkar. All excellent.
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DJ Dizzy posted:Troll definitely look awesome and all, but I already have an infantry army, and runes of war does not appeal to me. I present to you, Pterodactyls  Giant rampaging elephants  Elephants holding cannons with one hand  Dual Scimatar weilding Cyclopses  And Dual Greatsword Golems containing the spirit of one of the greatest warriors eve  Skorne, the only good best choice.
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But but but. loving dragons man vs a bunch of emos with weaponized elephants
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DJ Dizzy posted:Troll definitely look awesome and all, but I already have an infantry army, and runes of war does not appeal to me. Honestly, Runes of War isn't all that. I feel like a lot of its popularity is more down to Jason Flanzer liking it a lot and finishing prominently with it every so often than any special power possessed by the list itself (beyond a good Cryx matchup). I personally feel like eDoomshaper beast lists are more fun to play, and Calandra gets to run basically anything she wants, from all-minion infantry nonsense to a very traditional beast brick. Even pMadrak runs a number of beasts surprisingly well. Plus, multi-wound weapon master spam feels less like running a lot of infantry and more like legion lists with a bunch of lesser warbeasts to me. That said, if you want to play armies that are basically all beasts all the time and aesthetics aren't a primary concern, Legion is definitely the way to go. You'll hard-pressed to find a caster that doesn't want a 3+ heavy battlegroup in that faction, and basically all of those lists are high power and play well. Skorne is alright for that, but have way more casters that want a bunch of infantry or a combined arms approach to things. Having played all three (and Circle, for the matter) fairly extensively, I've definitely had the most fun with Trolls lately, but a lot of that can be chalked up to being really into the hobby side of the faction on top of liking how they play. I need to get my Circle back out once I finish painting up the Troll stuff I have, since I haven't done a lot with them since Domination outside of a could of eMorvahna games when she came out, and they've gotten a bunch of fun new toys since. Maybe when the Riphorn is finally out.
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Almost done these assholes. Gotta finish the Ravagore fireball and base them but then they're finally done. 
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I've noticed that no one is ever a die hard Circle fan. It's just something you wander into and kinda stay there.
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jodai posted:I've noticed that no one is ever a die hard Circle fan. It's just something you wander into and kinda stay there. I'm a pretty unabashed Mohsar fan. The most ornery man in all of Immoren.
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jodai posted:I've noticed that no one is ever a die hard Circle fan. It's just something you wander into and kinda stay there. I've got 25 point armies for both Circle and Legion since I'm building out of the two-player box and... Legion is just way cooler. Werewolves are alright, but not as cool as the weird abominations Legion has.
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