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wickedhate is not trolling many animewatchers indeed really do have sufficiently poo poo taste
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i recently rewatched oreshura several months ago someone kill me
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May 20, 2014 07:35
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I know, which is why I want to believe but can't convince myself. I liked a lot of bad stuff when I was in my early teens but I want to believe if I had the bad points clearly spelled out for me that I would have at least realized they were bad things. To be in such stark denial after this entire thread astounds me. Phobophilia posted:i recently rewatched oreshura several months ago someone kill me There's a show I should have dropped instead of finishing. At least I learned to drop bad shows in time for Mahouka.
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May 20, 2014 07:39
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Phobophilia posted:i recently rewatched oreshura several months ago someone kill me I think what separates this show from stuff like your average harem rom-com is the right-wing politics/nationalism. I haven't really seen anything else that combines the harem/incest stuff with terrible political views.
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May 20, 2014 07:56
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Did watching them freeze/maim helpless and unarmed captives make you laugh in a  manner?Well you're in luck because as soon as they're done with the next arc, we're certain to go back to War Crimes: The Anime!
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May 20, 2014 08:07
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Phobophilia posted:is a mage not entitled to the sweat of his sister Please don't joke steal Ytlaya posted:Was it implied that Tatsuya prevented the people Miyuki froze from dying? She starts to say something to Tatsuya and then he goes "It's alright" and one of the guys she froze comes out on a stretcher. If she really intended to kill all those guys just because they dared to lay a hand on ONII-SAMA that's pretty hosed up.! The books clear this up. Basically she magically freezes them so fast that their cells don't rupture. However, Onii-sama is the merciful one, she totes intended to kill them.
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May 20, 2014 14:28
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apologies i hadnt realised that we had come to the same conclusion
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May 20, 2014 14:40
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wait doesnt freezing faster speed up cell membrane rupture
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May 20, 2014 14:41
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Phobophilia posted:wait doesnt freezing faster speed up cell membrane rupture It's like instant freeze because she is just that powerful.
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May 20, 2014 14:45
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thats still not going to chance the fact that the water molecules suddenly have to occupy more volume than before
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May 20, 2014 14:59
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It's magic
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May 20, 2014 15:22
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Namtab posted:The books clear this up. Basically she magically freezes them so fast that their cells don't rupture. So what exactly did Tatsuya do? Safely thaw them out?
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May 20, 2014 17:25
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I read all 15 pages of this thread, that means I don't have to watch the anime right?
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May 20, 2014 17:38
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Desuwa posted:Please stop. I realize that when people argue they tend to take progressively more extreme opinions but this has gone too far. Most people hate it because of political views I don't see. It's not denial, it really is just "Okay, I don't interpret it that way".
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May 20, 2014 19:01
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Ytlaya posted:So what exactly did Tatsuya do? Safely thaw them out? He doesn't have that power. He's prob either saying "it's alright" as in "it's alright, you didn't kill them" or "it's alright, I forgive you for going a little too far" WickedHate posted:Most people hate it because of political views I don't see. It's not denial, it really is just "Okay, I don't interpret it that way". So how do you interpret all the nationalism?
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May 20, 2014 19:14
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I don't think it's philosophy is rooted in Imperial Japan like people say.
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May 20, 2014 19:17
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I ain't gonna front, I'm just bothering with this thread for WickedHate posts.
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May 20, 2014 19:28
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WickedHate posted:I don't think it's philosophy is rooted in Imperial Japan like people say. So what do you think it is?
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May 20, 2014 20:12
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A story wherin another country's government happens to be the villain.
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May 20, 2014 20:14
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WickedHate posted:Most people hate it because of political views I don't see. It's not denial, it really is just "Okay, I don't interpret it that way". Most people hate it because it's a bad show, being disgustingly nationalist is only part of it. Even if you willfully ignore the disturbing nationalism, it doesn't change the fact that everything else about it is crap too, from the characters to the plot. Gate is an example where an otherwise pretty good show is marred by author shoving his political views down your throat. I enjoy Gate as a whole because I think it's pretty good when it's not trying to convince me that Japan is morally superior to every major power in the world. This show does not have that going for it. The main character is a boring, invincible, flawless Gary Stu and every other character is a cardboard cutout that exists to confirm how great the MC is. All the women (except a few select few who realize the MC's dick is too good for them*) exist to verbally fellate him, not that they want to keep it verbal either - especially his sister. I have seen lovely generic harem shows that treat the girls with more respect. Meanwhile the male characters fair little better with the probably most fleshed-out one so far physically attacking a woman with the intent to cause serious harm because her sword had been corrupted - even ignoring the nationalist bent he puts on that corruption, it's stupid as hell. You have an entire thread of reasons why this show is bad. You've fixated on a major one, the nationalism, then made yourself completely blind to it, and now you're claiming the show otherwise has no flaws.
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May 20, 2014 20:27
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Desuwa posted:You have an entire thread of reasons why this show is bad. You've fixated on a major one, the nationalism, then made yourself completely blind to it, and now you're claiming the show otherwise has no flaws. WickedHate posted:It doesn't explain enough. It's got the little side series for that, though. And I do like the characters.
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May 20, 2014 20:41
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And you're allowed to like it, that doesn't make it not a terrible show with bad writing/incredibly regressive messages. You're allowed to have your guilty pleasures but the grown up thing is to stop burying your head in the sand about the insanity of the author. "A story in which the government of another country JUST SO HAPPENS to be the villain" sounds great on it's face until you put it in the context of everything else that happens in the story. This is without even getting into the Randian "gently caress the poor" message.
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May 20, 2014 21:08
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The true art here is wickedhate's posting imo
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May 20, 2014 21:11
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Captain Oblivious posted:And you're allowed to like it, that doesn't make it not a terrible show with bad writing/incredibly regressive messages. I'm not intentionally denying anything, I just don't believe it has those sorts of politics. Angel Cop this is not. I personally don't see a right wing slant to it. Yes, it does have flaws, but I don't think it's bad enough to make it terrible.
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May 20, 2014 21:22
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Phobophilia posted:i recently rewatched oreshura several months ago someone kill me Am I the only one who felt really sorry for chiya?
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May 20, 2014 21:28
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WickedHate posted:And I do like the characters. You have terrible taste. I'm sorry. Might I recommend Guilty Crown for when you're finished watching this? I think it's right up your alley. Go read the OP again. It's not tongue-in-cheek or hyperbole, and he isn't just poking fun at the show. Everyone in this thread except you and maybe one other person is in agreement on that. WickedHate posted:Most people hate it because of political views I don't see. It's not denial, it really is just "Okay, I don't interpret it that way". WickedHate posted:A story wherin another country's government happens to be the villain. If 15 pages of people telling you it's bad and explaining why it's bad can't convince you of anything not much else stands a chance. But desperately forcing words into other people's mouths, willfully being ignorant of things ("I don't know what nationalism is, or why it can be a bad thing."), and constructing such obvious straw men so that you can easily tear them down is just sad. Your response to every piece of criticism thrown at the show has been "no it's not" or "I just don't see it that way." You're even downplaying the obsession with incest by calling it an "unhealthy dependence." I'm not even sure if you've actually fired back with any reasons why the show is, supposedly, good. I wasn't exaggerating when I said I had trouble thinking of any good points for the series. Aesthetically it looks nice, I guess, but then crap like the impracticality of the girls' uniforms ruins it. Frankly the only point I can concede is that nationalism isn't necessarily a terrible thing. We're talking about excessive nationalism or chauvinism, which is what this show has in spades. But that's splitting hairs and, again, for you to miss that you'd have to be willfully misinterpreting everyone's posts to make it easier for you to deny them.
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May 20, 2014 21:29
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Captain Oblivious posted:This is without even getting into the Randian "gently caress the poor" message.
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May 20, 2014 21:47
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Paracelsus posted:"I work hard so I deserve the perks" isn't an exclusive feature of Rand's views; you can see the same pattern in any state where gov't officials enjoy a higher standard of living than the vast majority of the populace. Wealth and power being highly concentrated in the hands of an elite of those useful to the state seems less like a Randian system and more like the traditional hierarchy seen in most Eastern cultures that emulated the Imperial Chinese bureaucracy. I think the analysis of the show as objectivist confuses the two philosophies based on a surface-level similarity that obscures the very different roots the two views come from and the differences in their views on why such a distribution is proper (free exchange v. state utility). "I work hard so I deserve the perks" is p.much the argument of anyone in the upper echelons of a capitalist society.
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May 20, 2014 21:49
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Desuwa posted:
I know what nationalism is and how it can be bad, and I'm not downplaying the incest, more then her just being in love with him she seems like she can't do anything without him. I like the show for it's animation, action, and the characters themselves, who I think are pretty cool, except for Takeaki, who's flip around is weird. I don't think the show is necessarily chauvinistic, because if Tatsuya and Miyuki switched roles people would fawn over her just the same, but it's definitely mostly girls laying praise on Tatsuya and that can't be denied, so there might be a point there.
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May 20, 2014 21:59
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Namtab posted:"I work hard so I deserve the perks" is p.much the argument of anyone in the upper echelons of a capitalist society. Plus the idea that the elite are inherently more useful and good for society than the non-elite.
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May 20, 2014 22:09
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Namtab posted:"I work hard so I deserve the perks" is p.much the argument of anyone in the upper echelons of a capitalist society.
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May 20, 2014 22:32
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You guys will note that as of the latest episode it's not just China but Russia as well who are ganging up on innocent little Japan.
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May 20, 2014 23:04
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WickedHate posted:I know what nationalism is and how it can be bad, and I'm not downplaying the incest, more then her just being in love with him she seems like she can't do anything without him. Except you have shown you don't know what it is and you can't recognize it when it slaps you in the face. Miyuki isn't a proper character, she is a wish-fulfillment tool created by the author for lonely shut-ins who don't actually have siblings. WickedHate posted:I like the show for it's animation, action, and the characters themselves, who I think are pretty cool, except for Takeaki, who's flip around is weird. The animation is standard and unremarkable for any show with a respectable budget in 2014. The action would be a decent point except there's actually so little of it; if there were a lot more, say if the show were just Tatsuya beating up people, it would fill a niche as a juvenile power fantasy and I might have stuck with it. It wouldn't be a great show but it could be entertaining in its own way. The characters are garbage and there's no salvaging them. At this point I'm going to drop all pretext - if you think these are good characters you have terrible taste and you are just plain wrong. You should go into the recommendation thread and pick out a few really good anime and watch them or do the same thing in TBB or TVIV. I remember my early teens, where I watched and read crap and liked it because I'd never seen anything better; I can't honestly say thirteen year old me would have taken it any better than you have but my thirteen year old self was thirteen and stupid. WickedHate posted:I don't think the show is necessarily chauvinistic, because if Tatsuya and Miyuki switched roles people would fawn over her just the same, but it's definitely mostly girls laying praise on Tatsuya and that can't be denied, so there might be a point there. Perhaps you should look up what chauvinism actually is, it has nothing to do with men or women. It's often used in the context of male chauvinism but, again, from the context of how I used it it was painfully obvious I wasn't referring to that. Again you are willfully misinterpreting what people are typing to serve your own ends. On the other hand in the case of male chauvinism this show definitely deserves more than "so there might be a point there" but it's already been covered.
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Desuwa posted:Miyuki isn't a proper character, she is a wish-fulfillment tool created by the author for lonely shut-ins who don't actually have siblings. Desuwa posted:Perhaps you should look up what chauvinism actually is, it has nothing to do with men or women. It's often used in the context of male chauvinism but, again, from the context of how I used it it was painfully obvious I wasn't referring to that. Again you are willfully misinterpreting what people are typing to serve your own ends. Ah, well, that's the only context I ever heard it in, so that was a mistake.
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May 20, 2014 23:21
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SSNeoman posted:You guys will note that as of the latest episode it's not just China but Russia as well who are ganging up on innocent little Japan. Speaking of the weird nationalism in this. I'm p.sure at some point while reading the books I read that the yen was now roughly equal with the dollar in their future.
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May 20, 2014 23:22
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if hitler was alive today he would probably watch this anime
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May 20, 2014 23:24
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a cartoon duck posted:if hitler was alive today he would probably watch this anime And Ayn Rand.
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May 20, 2014 23:27
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WickedHate posted:Alright, then. I think they are interesting, but others don't, and I get that. A lot of other anime I like is beloved and would be recommended, so I don't need a crash course in "good shows everyone likes". There's nothing interesting about a bunch of cardboard cutouts eternally singing praises to their god, who himself is one of the worst of the lot. I could pick up whatever generic harem anime are airing this season and the characters would be better, in the sense that they would be varied and have token hobbies or quirks to differentiate each other for the purpose of appealing to different fetishes. There would be a little sister type and an older sister type, neither would actually be blood related, some tsundere, a childhood friend or two, and a few other archetypes, probably with some overlap. That's already a more interesting cast than this has; hell the generic MC would also show more character even if that characterization is a simple pick from the stock dumb, spineless, or perverted harem MCs. You have terrible taste, but if you can recognize that instead of claiming it's a good show that just doesn't appeal to
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May 20, 2014 23:48
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If you really want to be depressed, try reading the crunchyroll comments. Those people like literally every single anime. I think every single show on that website is rated > 4 stars.
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Not trying to say it's high art. I already know everyone else in the thread dislikes it, but if I'm in the niche it appeals to it's good to me.
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