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Xealot posted:I don't think Ramsay gives a gently caress about all-out war with the Ironborn. Every interaction he's had with them has involved breaking his promises of leniency, and then flaying them alive. The Boltons basically already are at war with them, and I'm pretty sure Ramsay welcomes the prospect of more. Ramsay = Melisandre Roose = Stannis Ramsay is all about following the old ways and give zero fucks about how it'll affect things.
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One aggravating thing about GOT is how every new group is introduced as The Most Badass, Terrifying, Lethal Killers Ever. New ones keep getting introduced to prevent you from realizing the old ones never did anything. Ironborn: ran away from a shirtless guy with a puppy Wildlings: 100,000 -- more like a couple dozen Threnn: ate potato dad, otherwise yawn Stannis: getting loan from the Trade Federation, brb Night's watch: ok these guys don't even pretend to be badass. Sam did make a successful save roll vs. virginity White Walkers: are they actually in this series? C'mon, GRRM, two of these groups have been marching on the Wall for like three seasons now. Isn't it about time for a major battle instead of Pod and Brienne's Excellent Adventure?
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paperchaseguy posted:C'mon, GRRM, two of these groups have been marching on the Wall for like three seasons now. Isn't it about time for a major battle instead of Pod and Brienne's Excellent Adventure? I have good news
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Jun 6, 2014 00:56
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paperchaseguy posted:One aggravating thing about GOT is how every new group is introduced as The Most Badass, Terrifying, Lethal Killers Ever. New ones keep getting introduced to prevent you from realizing the old ones never did anything. I somewhat agree but I don't think are all introduced as badass/terrifying. I never really felt like Ironborn were badass. I guess they are decent warriors or whatever but their identity is more akin to Bitter Old House that Rebels Alot. Night's Watch is Archaic Old Warrior Brotherhood that Used To Be Important. Stannis is Crotchety-But-Fair and Rightful Heir. White Walkers are pretty badass though.
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Jun 6, 2014 01:00
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Blazing Ownager posted:I heard coke addicted rear end in a top hat and Allen, wasn't sure who you were talking about, and had to google it out of curiosity. I expected Tim Allen's father. the ending will be the white walkers are defeated. how? turns out they are living in a giant's eye or whatever nan said and he just used some visine and killed them all. the end. then there will be some retarded montage about the dangers of zombies or something
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Shath Hole posted:That was pretty funny to me as well. All that build up, she gets to her captive brother and after 1 sign of adversity says v If you want the scene to make sence, then Yara didn't leave because they ran into some dogs, or even Ramsay and his men. She left because of Reek. She wasn't just being melodramatic when she said "Theon's dead", he is effectively dead to her. She was smart enough to realize she couldn't save some one who didn't want to be saved, and decided she wasn't going to send any more of her men to their deaths to save Reek. The only person who can save Theon is him self, something in him has to snap again and give him the strength to beat Ramsay. The rescue scene could have been done a lot better, it was pretty poorly done by GoT standards. Edit: paperchaseguy posted:One aggravating thing about GOT is how every new group is introduced as The Most Badass, Terrifying, Lethal Killers Ever. New ones keep getting introduced to prevent you from realizing the old ones never did anything. Its almost like people like to talk big  The Ironborn are raiders. A few years prior to the show they rebelled, made some big victories in surprise attacks, then got promptly crushed. In the current war they've rebelled again, made some big victories in surprise attacks, and things ain't looking so hot now. Seems like there might be a pattern here. The couple dozen wildlings we're seeing are... a couple dozen wildlings. They're an advance group sent over the wall to cause havoc and get the gates unlocked for the 100,000 trapped on the wrong side. We haven't seen the wildling army yet outside of the vista of their camp way back when John was captured. OtherworldlyInvader fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jun 6, 2014 |
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v welp, let's head home boys!
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:If you want the scene to make sence, then Yara didn't leave because they ran into some dogs, or even Ramsay and his men. She left because of Reek. She wasn't just being melodramatic when she said "Theon's dead", he is effectively dead to her. She was smart enough to realize she couldn't save some one who didn't want to be saved, and decided she wasn't going to send any more of her men to their deaths to save Reek. The only person who can save Theon is him self, something in him has to snap again and give him the strength to beat Ramsay. Out of all of that poo poo, her not at least attempting to mercy kill him was maybe the most egregious, especially given how we're supposed to view the Ironborn. Between that and the build up, it might've been the clumsiest sequence of the series.
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double negative posted:Out of all of that poo poo, her not at least attempting to mercy kill him was maybe the most egregious, especially given how we're supposed to view the Ironborn. Between that and the build up, it might've been the clumsiest sequence of the series. I can understand her not doing that for a number of reasons, but it sure would have been nice to see her have that conflict!
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:If you want the scene to make sence, then Yara didn't leave because they ran into some dogs, or even Ramsay and his men. She left because of Reek. She wasn't just being melodramatic when she said "Theon's dead", he is effectively dead to her. She was smart enough to realize she couldn't save some one who didn't want to be saved, and decided she wasn't going to send any more of her men to their deaths to save Reek. The only person who can save Theon is him self, something in him has to snap again and give him the strength to beat Ramsay. Yeah, not to get into a tactical realism debate on this either, but it just came off as so funny how lame the Ironborn have been in every single occasion. People have discussed before the hubris and the hamartia that have gotten people killed before, and how people have done so much for family and for honor. Robb went to war because of his family. Tywin went to war expressly because of the family name and avoiding disrepect. Oberyn, basically the same. Balon, on the other hand, went "w/e" after the dick-in-a-box and even after Yara made that big speech she just left. You'd think for all the speechifying she made about the reputation of the Ironborn, killing the man who "killed" her brother would be a thing worth doing.
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The whole scene would have gone across much better if the ironborn had just been on the other side of a wall or something. So they could see and talk to Ramsay/Reek but not actually attack them in any way. So they could realistically have not been able to stop Ramsay releasing the hounds but also had enough of a head start to get away. Might have made for poor shot framing, though. And, of course, it could be intended to show the Ironborn are actually massive weenies. But they've never been shown to be bad at raiding, other than the rescue scene all of their failures have related to holding the castles they sack (which they traditionally did not do).
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Tenebrais posted:The whole scene would have gone across much better if the ironborn had just been on the other side of a wall or something 
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That would be an incredible Ramsay scene.
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I had trouble reading the books since they are badly written, so hopefully a better fan can explain this if they care to: Are the subtleties of the story poorly conveyed by the various writers, or is that the original intention of the works and I'm just not used to writing that doesn't over explain itself?
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KORNTROLLOGY posted:I had trouble reading the books since they are badly written, so hopefully a better fan can explain this if they care to: Are the subtleties of the story poorly conveyed by the various writers, or is that the original intention of the works and I'm just not used to writing that doesn't over explain itself?
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Why are the wildlings even attacking Castle Black anyway? Even if they don't realize it's the only one that actually has dudes in it it's still the main one that would be the hardest to take and all they're trying to do is get past the Wall. Why don't they attack Castle Bumfuck that even in the glory days probably only had like 15 guys in it?
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KORNOLOGY posted:I had trouble reading the books since they are badly written, so hopefully a better fan can explain this if they care to: Are the subtleties of the story poorly conveyed by the various writers, or is that the original intention of the works and I'm just not used to writing that doesn't over explain itself? What do you mean by subtleties exactly? cock hero flux posted:Why are the wildlings even attacking Castle Black anyway? Even if they don't realize it's the only one that actually has dudes in it it's still the main one that would be the hardest to take and all they're trying to do is get past the Wall. Why don't they attack Castle Bumfuck that even in the glory days probably only had like 15 guys in it? There are three manned castles at the Wall, the rest of the disused have had their gates sealed with rocks and ice. Why Manse isn't attacking the Shadow Tower or Eastwatch by the Sea 
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Jun 6, 2014 02:49
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I'd say that GRRM and the writers of the show struggle to write prose or scenes not involving dangling weiners.
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cock hero flux posted:Why are the wildlings even attacking Castle Black anyway? Even if they don't realize it's the only one that actually has dudes in it it's still the main one that would be the hardest to take and all they're trying to do is get past the Wall. Why don't they attack Castle Bumfuck that even in the glory days probably only had like 15 guys in it? Well, one of the castles is all the way on the east coast. That adds a lot of horizontal movement along the wall, and that movement can be negated pretty easily by closing up the tunnels. Castle Black, as the main keep, is the one that is most likely to resist closing its tunnel. Also they don't want to have the Night's Watch mostly unharmed at their backs.
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cock hero flux posted:Why are the wildlings even attacking Castle Black anyway? Even if they don't realize it's the only one that actually has dudes in it it's still the main one that would be the hardest to take and all they're trying to do is get past the Wall. Why don't they attack Castle Bumfuck that even in the glory days probably only had like 15 guys in it?
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[quote="Maarak" post="430627262"] What do you mean by subtleties exactly? I meant that I really like the show but sometimes things feel rushed or skipped over and I'm wondering if its the same way in the books. I can't be the only fan who feels that way. edit: quote fail =(
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KORNOLOGY posted:[quote="Maarak" post="430627262"] Sending you a PM.
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"Rushed" and "skipped over" are not words I'd use to describe the works of George R. R. Martin.
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Max posted:Sending you a PM. Thank you for taking the time. I was expecting to get my face napalmed but instead actually learned something.
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You see this is why everyone with book questions should use the thread linked below. I want to know what he said to sway you and what you learned. Is there ever a TV or film adaptation of a long book series that doesn't feel rushed? Super Ninja Fish posted:Questions like these would better be asked here. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3305853 It's hardly used but this is a thread about the books where spoilers are inside spoiler tags.
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I'm going to say thank you before I even read it. Thank you for weathering my general laziness. As for point #2 he basically explained that the original story is told POV and that subtlety is indeed extremely indulged. As a major, mass-culture production I get thrown off when the show attempts to give me a better story than I was expecting. And bad writing doesn't mean bad story telling or story, just that concepts are more important than art or mode or whatever you want to call it. This show does things to my mind and emotions. Help me. KORNOLOGY fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Jun 6, 2014 |
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Maarak posted:There are three manned castles at the Wall, the rest of the disused have had their gates sealed with rocks and ice. Why Manse isn't attacking the Shadow Tower or Eastwatch by the Sea Because Mance doesn't know they're unmanned. Jon told him they had 1000 men, and Mance doesn't know that Jon was lying.
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If the abandoned castles had their tunnels closed, how did Bran etc. get North of the Wall? I thought they went through an abandoned castle's tunnel.
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Baron von Eevl posted:If the abandoned castles had their tunnels closed, how did Bran etc. get North of the Wall? I thought they went through an abandoned castle's tunnel. Secret passage Sam learned about in one of his books I think.
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Baron von Eevl posted:If the abandoned castles had their tunnels closed, how did Bran etc. get North of the Wall? I thought they went through an abandoned castle's tunnel. They used a secret passage that was possibly warded against evil.
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Brick Card posted:They used a secret passage that was possibly warded against evil. Oh poo poo they should probably get on that for the other ones.
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Why doesn't Mance go to the coast and ferry his people across like 10 meters. The wall isn't that wide 
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Why doesn't Mance go to the coast and ferry his people across like 10 meters. The wall isn't that wide Is real plan is just that he wants someone to make him a gigantic fire and this is the only way he could convince the wildlings to do that.
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Yeah poo poo's cold north of the wall, wildlings are too busy to realize that they just need a hella bonfire and things'll be okay. That's where Mance comes in.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Why doesn't Mance go to the coast and ferry his people across like 10 meters. The wall isn't that wide
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Ginette Reno posted:Because Mance doesn't know they're unmanned. Jon told him they had 1000 men, and Mance doesn't know that Jon was lying. I'd reckon Eastwatch and the Shadow Tower probably have more men than Castle Black after Mormont took so many people to their deaths north of the wall anyway. And the unmanned ones don't have gates anymore.
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Lycus posted:There's a Night's Watch base on the coast. Killing Wildlings paddling in lovely little boats would probably be fish in a barrel. Unless you're Robb's uncle
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Omnomnomnivore posted:"Rushed" and "skipped over" are not words I'd use to describe the works of George R. R. Martin. Lovingly well crafted and painstakingly written rape scenes, give the devil his due.
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How big is the north anyway? I looked a the map in the OP and the HBO guide but both cut it off, I guess that so the White Walkers can march for 10 years, not making it to The Wall and not have the map be huge.
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Roose mentioned it in his Lion King speech to Ramsay last episode. The North is bigger than the rest of Westeros combined (and the areas of the gift, Wall, and beyong are bigger still, I think)
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