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libertao posted:Of course not, but now it goes nearly entire episodes without anything funny apart from maybe one fart joke. Even other dramas I watch are funnier than this. And this is not some amazingly powerful drama with tour de force acting that would justify the departure. The show has never been that funny. If you want funny, I suggest watching his standup routines. But the show has really been more about situations that cringe worthy, unexpected or funny on reflection. The only big difference this season is there was more connective tissue between the episodes and this particlar episode was 90 minutes long. There is a reason FX didnt move Louie to its comedy network when they split their programming.
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There is an enormous artistic space between a drama devoid of humor and a laughtrack sitcom or standup routine. Louie used to comfortably fill that grey area, just like Louis C.K.'s stand-up act has (e.g. the "everything is amazing and nobody is happy" bit). Nothing wrong with cringe humor either, but the show has self-indulgently devolved into...this.
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Jun 13, 2014 14:42
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libertao posted:There is an enormous artistic space between a drama devoid of humor and a laughtrack sitcom or standup routine. Louie used to comfortably fill that grey area, just like Louis C.K.'s stand-up act has (e.g. the "everything is amazing and nobody is happy" bit). Nothing wrong with cringe humor either, but the show has self-indulgently devolved into...this. Meh. We much be watching two different showns then. I really dont think the show has changed that much, basically all through this season, to the last elevator episode things played out as in previous seasons in terms of laugh to drama ratio. Things turned with the Pamela episode, and that was probably a good idea because I think they understand it is hard to jump back in laughing with a guy who just tried to rape someone.
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Jun 13, 2014 14:54
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"Devoid" of humor? Charles Grodin's character alone was one of the funniest things the show has ever done. There were other parts too which were at least mildly humorous. To say this show has gone into serious melodrama is a pretty big overstatement.
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Jun 13, 2014 15:18
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Clark Kent posted:Pretty much most comedians dislike political correctness. Everything i have heard him say on O&A, i have also heard Jerry Seinfeld or Chris Rock say on interviews as well. You've heard Seinfeld say oval office, human being, and friend of the family?
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Jun 13, 2014 15:26
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Breadallelogram posted:You've heard Seinfeld say oval office, human being, and friend of the family? Yeah. Turns out its the punchline to his what's he deal with airline food bit.
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Jun 13, 2014 15:28
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King Vidiot posted:"Devoid" of humor? Charles Grodin's character alone was one of the funniest things the show has ever done. There were other parts too which were at least mildly humorous. To say this show has gone into serious melodrama is a pretty big overstatement. Grodin was fantastic. I wasn't saying the entire season has been devoid of humor, but some story arcs have verged upon that.
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Jun 13, 2014 15:35
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Breadallelogram posted:You've heard Seinfeld say oval office, human being, and friend of the family? The thread title always makes me chuckle a little when I read it, because of Jerry Seinfeld working so clean that even off-stage he can't bring himself to say "poo poo".
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Jun 13, 2014 15:58
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Breadallelogram posted:You've heard Seinfeld say oval office, human being, and friend of the family? No i have heard him complain about political correctness and its effect on comedy. Frankly i admire seinfeld's ability to be funny without resorting to profanity.
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Jun 13, 2014 16:50
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libertao posted:Grodin was fantastic. I wasn't saying the entire season has been devoid of humor, but some story arcs have verged upon that. I do have to say it was wonderful seeing Grodin in such a great role again. People forget what a talent he is.
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Jun 13, 2014 16:53
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I remember there's one bit in that Talking Funny HBO special where CK says "friend of the family" and Seinfeld starts shaking his head and being like "no, you can't say that" while Chris Rock cracks up.
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Jun 13, 2014 17:23
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Clark Kent posted:No i have heard him complain about political correctness and its effect on comedy. Frankly i admire seinfeld's ability to be funny without resorting to profanity. So is there something more to "Political Correctness Gone Mad" than being an ironically PC way of saying "I can't tell a racist/rape joke without those niggers/cunts getting mad at me"?
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Jun 13, 2014 19:34
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King Vidiot posted:The thread title always makes me chuckle a little when I read it, because of Jerry Seinfeld working so clean that even off-stage he can't bring himself to say "poo poo". If you've never seen the documentary Comedian, Seinfeld does drop f-bombs and whatnot in casual conversation, like many people do.
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Krowley posted:So is there something more to "Political Correctness Gone Mad" than being an ironically PC way of saying "I can't tell a racist/rape joke without those niggers/cunts getting mad at me"? Nope, its the SJW of the pre-internet era
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There's nothing political about not being an rear end in a top hat to people.
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Scrub Lover posted:louie episodes have always been more like short indie films with some funny moments than sitcom episodes. watch seinfeld or something if you non stop jokes and goofs Louie already made a more traditional sitcom (Lucky Louie) and it's pretty cool and worth watching.
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Bown posted:I remember there's one bit in that Talking Funny HBO special where CK says "friend of the family" and Seinfeld starts shaking his head and being like "no, you can't say that" while Chris Rock cracks up. There needs to be a scene in Louie similar to the one in Treme when Steve Zahn's progressive, non-racist, jazz-loving character starts dropping "non-racist" n-bombs in a nola bar whilst drunk and some random dude just beats the poo poo out of him as he tries to explain the so-called context. And yea, Louie has always been more than a sitcom however even the weirder and artsier episodes used to rate like a 7-8 gutbuster scale. I have vague memories of cracking up really, really hard at some of the earlier standup or absurdist scenes but I can barely remember any recent belly laughs. Don't get me wrong, I've been liking this season so far but it's currently running at about a 3.5
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Wow how the hell did I not notice that the doctor is Charles Grodin until someone mentioned it?
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NESguerilla posted:Wow how the hell did I not notice that the doctor is Charles Grodin until someone mentioned it? Because in our minds and our hearts, Charles Grodin always has and always will look like this: 
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Leviathan posted:And yea, Louie has always been more than a sitcom however even the weirder and artsier episodes used to rate like a 7-8 gutbuster scale. I have vague memories of cracking up really, really hard - Elevator taking up so much room that there was less space for standalone randomness and - not having seen the earlier episodes in a while, because everything's funnier in your memory Would there still be the same sentiment if Amia's arc had only been three episodes and the other three used for random surprising stuff à la Model?
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My appreciation for Louie is still very high despite the way he changed the formula since season 2, I enjoy watching him grow as a storyteller/director and I wouldnt be surprised if he made a few full feature films down the line, which would probably be enhanced by knowing the show where he developped his style... The way some of his characters are fully fledged organic people and some others are kept as one dimensional surreal jerks gives me a classic Woody Allen vibe. But while I do hope he keeps busy with his show and keeps challenging himself and his audience with new storytelling that has less room for jokes and poo poo, I do miss seasons 1 & 2's constant surreal feel and how each episode felt like a journey. These episodes I can rewatch over and over again. I dont want to rewatch the Amia arc once. Except maybe the Tobb Berry bit...
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Illinois Smith posted:Maybe you should rewatch those earlier weird & artsy episodes sometime. I'm trying to see where this opinion people in here have about the big dramatic shift in tone this season comes from, I think it's a combo of Some of the direction has made me laugh for the wrong reasons. A bunch of his non Non sequitur stuff is just so bad. The way the fucks with switching around actors and the characters is just terrible (I know he's really nihilistic about it but it really just makes the show incoherent. It adds nothing) Then he tries to pull off these corny art house shots like Amia running from a gazebo into a church that look something from a show making fun of art house films...but it's not tongue in cheek at all. The show is still really good at times but he seems to be convincing himself he's some sort of renaissance man that he is not. The last episode was definitely great though.
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Illinois Smith posted:Maybe you should rewatch those earlier weird & artsy episodes sometime. I'm trying to see where this opinion people in here have about the big dramatic shift in tone this season comes from, I think it's a combo of I rewatched the first three seasons before season four came on, and i agree. The tone and feel of the show really hasnt changed. And the humor is roughly in the same ballpark. There are tons of moments and episodes in the early seasons that have very few laughs.
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"God" is basically a template for what the show would become, and that was one of the most popular season 1 episodes by a long way.
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I miss the knee-slapping episodes of previous seasons, like the one where Louie tries and fails to talk his alcoholic comedian friend out of killing himself. God that was a riot.
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Jewmanji posted:I miss the knee-slapping episodes of previous seasons, like the one where Louie tries and fails to talk his alcoholic comedian friend out of killing himself. God that was a riot. That episode was hilarious. Most reviews I read of it even pointed out that they took an incredibly serious subject and still made it very funny throughout, and even Louis did an interview where he talked about how Doug Stanhope's character comes off happy and fun and full of life despite wanting to die.
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NESguerilla posted:Some of the direction has made me laugh for the wrong reasons. A bunch of his non Non sequitur stuff is just so bad. The way the fucks with switching around actors and the characters is just terrible (I know he's really nihilistic about it but it really just makes the show incoherent. It adds nothing) Then he tries to pull off these corny art house shots like Amia running from a gazebo into a church that look something from a show making fun of art house films...but it's not tongue in cheek at all. The direction is the best part of the show, and Louis will be remembered for being a great director. Also, if changing actors takes you out of the show, you should try harder to watch it, because it's very easy to follow. It's not like he's keeping names a secret. He changes the actors sometimes because the actor he decides adds what he wants to show that episode to the character. To me, that means it adds everything. Shows don't need to be serialized to be good. For the art house stuff. Are you saying the shots don't look good? They don't fit? Or, are you just mad because they may be cliché? If they look good, and fit the tone of the show, why should it matter? There is a reason why cliché is cliché.
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Just gotta say I think it's fantastic that a show by a standup comedian can generate so much discussion into real heavy poo poo like rape, bullying, drug use, and also for some reason auterism.
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Finally watched the two-parter. It was incredible, some of the best stuff he's done. Loved every bit of it. His mom's incredibly self-centered outburst was one of the most selfish yet upsettingly real things I've seen in a while. He got lucky with his generous teachers and was given a shot by not going to jail, so it's his duty to do better for his kids than his parents did for him. He's offered an easy way off the hook with the therapy, but it's not enough - he's too smart to swallow that crap and knows that despite your difficulties you're still stuck with your own sense of right and wrong. No Wave fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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Jun 15, 2014 06:22
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This finally seems to be an actual comedy episode (it's great so far).
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Jun 17, 2014 03:10
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I swear, I've been in this relationship. It does not end well.
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Not gonna lie, I'm a little sad that he felt obligated to explain the whole race thing with Janet and the daughters. But I guess it was fitting that it was Pamela that did the asking, since her character is meant to have boundary issues.
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Jun 17, 2014 04:14
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Well, the first one was funny. They won't last very long, I don't think.
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hcreight posted:I'm loving dying from the Art Button. Yeah that got a huge laugh out of me. Overall I didn't like these episodes that much though. I didn't like the way that Louie's behavior toward Pamela in the previous episode was just kind of swept under the rug.
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Jun 17, 2014 05:51
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Yeah, not great that the overly aggressive rapey scene was completely ignored. But hey, we got to see Louie naked.
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Breadallelogram posted:Yeah, not great that the overly aggressive rapey scene was completely ignored. But hey, we got to see Louie naked. Not really, a lot of the same emotional issues that fuelled that scene were pretty directly addressed here. Emotionally unavailable meets aggressively insecure does not a great love story make.
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So trying to rape a girl charms her on some level. Good to know, Louie. Jesus, what a mess.
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Sub Rosa posted:So happy to see Maron show up. Did anyone else get the in-joke of that moment? Basically in real life the roles were reversed and Maron reacted exactly how Louie did and Louie reacted exactly how Maron did and they didn't speak for years before making up recently. I liked the season overall. I don't really mind if the show isn't as funny, I just kind of dig these weird little stories Louie's trying to tell.
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