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jjac
Jun 12, 2007

What time is it?!


Ratsune Miku

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Forsythia
Jan 28, 2007

You want bad advice?

Anything is okay if you don't get caught!

... I hope this helps!
The new asura faces seem to only be used for making monstrosities to annoy Arus with. I don't think I've seen them chosen for any other purpose.



The old faces are still pretty good at that job, though.

Illuyankas
Oct 22, 2010

jjac posted:

Ratsune Miku

Oh for a namechange contract sale

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


Mizuti posted:

The new asura faces seem to only be used for making monstrosities to annoy Arus with. I don't think I've seen them chosen for any other purpose.



The old faces are still pretty good at that job, though.

This is gonna haunt my dreams tonight. I thought the arus/bird porn was too much but no you finally found something worse.

Myrmidongs
Oct 26, 2010

Mizuti posted:

The new asura faces seem to only be used for making monstrosities to annoy Arus with. I don't think I've seen them chosen for any other purpose.



The old faces are still pretty good at that job, though.

Lonk
Jan 26, 2012

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
Sheesh and you guys thought I was horrifying somehow.

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Lutha Mahtin posted:

It's actually a good idea to suck it up and do your story quests. They give a lot of experience, and the rewards are set to the quest's level, so if you're over-leveled the rewards will be useless. You also won't be stuck in Norn-land forever with them.

Hahaha yes this is good advice: "work harder and spend dozens of hours slogging through the parts of the game you enjoy least so that you can get free copper logging axes"

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


Some of the skins in later missions are desirable and can save having to by a named exotic you don't need otherwise. My 'great hero's longsword' has the Kymswarden skin but didn't cost 7g, for instance. There are a few others I picked up along the way I wish I kept as well.

e. alternatively if you don't like one aspect of the game you could not play it. Technique only.

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?

at the date posted:

Hahaha yes this is good advice: "work harder and spend dozens of hours slogging through the parts of the game you enjoy least so that you can get free copper logging axes"

oh its not that bad, if you're leveling anyways may as well do them, and they take about 10 min each. Later ones take maybe 15-20. And I"m saying that as a person who probably has some kind of video game handicap.

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


So I've talked to a couple of other goons who don't play this game anymore and while they assure me this game is crap I'm super tempted to buy into it. The only thing I really care about is WvW and the idea of being able to do that without a lovely level gear grind is really awesome. I was told that this game has one of the worst gear grinds of any mmo.

Didn't get a lot of specifics so I wanted to know if anything was changed since the OP or if it's just bitter vets.

daspope
Sep 20, 2006

Well, if you have an atypical definition of worst, then, sure, GW2 has one of the worst gear grinds. Exotics (90-95%) of max can be had extremely easily after reaching max level. There are some attractive gear mods that have arbitrarily terrible supply because :ANet:, but you can have a perfectly functional build to play and have fun with without grinding.

edit: There are quite a few rather grindy things you would have to do have an absolute top of line setup to pvp in WvW. That said, WvW isn't really about balanced PvP. It's about zerging around like idiots or ganging up on upscaled (low-levels) and stomping them. Real pvp is in SPvP. Everyone gets the exact same gear in SPvP.

What I'm saying is, for all practical purposes, GW2 is grind free.

daspope fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Jun 19, 2014

Alteisen
Jun 4, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Sedisp posted:

So I've talked to a couple of other goons who don't play this game anymore and while they assure me this game is crap I'm super tempted to buy into it. The only thing I really care about is WvW and the idea of being able to do that without a lovely level gear grind is really awesome. I was told that this game has one of the worst gear grinds of any mmo.

Didn't get a lot of specifics so I wanted to know if anything was changed since the OP or if it's just bitter vets.

GW2 has no gear grind, buy exotics and have at it.

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


daspope posted:

Well, if you have an atypical definition of worst, then, sure, GW2 has one of the worst gear grinds. Exotics (90-95%) of max can be had extremely easily after reaching max level. There are some attractive gear mods that have arbitrarily terrible supply because :ANet:, but you can have a perfectly functional build to play and have fun with without grinding.

edit: There are quite a few rather grindy things you would have to do have an absolute top of line setup to pvp in WvW. That said, WvW isn't really about balanced PvP. It's about zerging around like idiots or ganging up on upscaled (low-levels) and stomping them. Real pvp is in SPvP. Everyone gets the exact same gear in SPvP.

What I'm saying is, for all practical purposes, GW2 is grind free.



WvW just has me the most intrigued. My definition of lovely grind would be how it is in most MMOs where you take as long or longer to get geared for pvping than you did killing bears for their butts. I don't really care about being in the most elite gear of poop sock filling I just don't want to feel hosed because I didn't have gear.

Lyer
Feb 4, 2008

Getting exotics is fairly easy to get and you can get a full set with weapons within 2-3 weeks of casual play (maybe 1 hour a night). There is a gear level above it, but the difference is literally 10 stat points and is meant for people who've been playing for months that need something to do. There is no content that requires the max level gear, exotics are more than enough to get you through any content.

That being said, reaching an "effective" gear level is much easier than reaching a look that you like. The grind comes from obtaining pieces for cosmetic purposes and even then it doesn't even compare to gear grinds you see in progression based mmo's.

E: In spvp everyone has equalized gear and if anything it's easier and faster to unlock armor skins in pvp than pve. I haven't geared up from WvW because I didn't need to, but I have a ton of badges lying around and I didn't even play that much.

Lyer fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Jun 19, 2014

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
At 80 It's either going to be the 1 minute it takes to get to a merchant and spend karma, 2-3 hours of dungeons if you somehow have no gold at all or if you're really lazy $3.

I run around solo or in small group wvw with gear that cost me maybe 15-18 gold (I had around 40 when I hit lvl 80 around launch) all up, it's not an issue in this game. Not being lvl 80 is a bigger deal if you're running around alone as you have less skills and traits.

Reclines Obesily fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Jun 19, 2014

Shalebridge Cradle
Apr 23, 2008


Sedisp posted:

WvW just has me the most intrigued. My definition of lovely grind would be how it is in most MMOs where you take as long or longer to get geared for pvping than you did killing bears for their butts. I don't really care about being in the most elite gear of poop sock filling I just don't want to feel hosed because I didn't have gear.

Exotics are totally fine for WvW. Ascended gear is only about 5% (I think) better and is a huge grind. You can play WvW and get badges of honor. For about 5 gold and 1000 badges you can get a full set of exotic gear, thats chump change.

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


Sounds awesome. Think I'll bite the bullet and drop the cash on it.

Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators
WvW in this game seems to be dying at an eerily rapid rate, though. It's probably the segment of the game that developers neglect most.

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
It depends on your server, for example Maguuma has significantly more players than it did a year ago.

Edit: Anet may have buffed the drop rates from gauntlet chances tuesday patch, http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/43563

Reclines Obesily fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Jun 19, 2014

Turncoat Mommy
Oct 3, 2010

I believe in you.

Sedisp posted:

WvW just has me the most intrigued. My definition of lovely grind would be how it is in most MMOs where you take as long or longer to get geared for pvping than you did killing bears for their butts. I don't really care about being in the most elite gear of poop sock filling I just don't want to feel hosed because I didn't have gear.

If you're into solo/small group roaming pvp then exotics are good enough to be an asskicking machine. Some builds might really benefit from expensive runes/sigils or crafted only stat set ups but you aren't required to get into the big grind for ascended poo poo. Either way you can be fully set up the second you hit 80.

Turncoat Mommy fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Jun 19, 2014

Lonk
Jan 26, 2012

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO


Petitioning Goshawk to change her thief's name to Crime Bird.

BombermanX
Jan 13, 2011

I'm afraid of other people's opinions when they differ from my own. Please do not hurt my feelings.
I figured I'd share you all the gender of Arah:


Kind of an old picture.

lunatikfringe
Jan 22, 2003

Sedisp posted:

So I've talked to a couple of other goons who don't play this game anymore and while they assure me this game is crap I'm super tempted to buy into it. The only thing I really care about is WvW and the idea of being able to do that without a lovely level gear grind is really awesome. I was told that this game has one of the worst gear grinds of any mmo.

Didn't get a lot of specifics so I wanted to know if anything was changed since the OP or if it's just bitter vets.

I don't understand this. GW2 is anything but grindy in all aspects of the game. You actually have to go out of your way to find something to grind out (legendary aside). You can level, get gear, collect mats by questing/pvp/dungeons/crafting/exploring. Pick one and have at it, or do them all at your own pace. I think people who don't know how to play outside of the World of Warcraft scripted trainride do not understand that you can do whatever you want in this game, and be successful doing it.

fuccboi
Jan 5, 2004

by zen death robot

I was 3 seconds away from posting a clip of the Brain Gremlin being interviewed when you posted this.

Dukka
Apr 28, 2007

lock teams or bust

Sedisp posted:

So I've talked to a couple of other goons who don't play this game anymore and while they assure me this game is crap I'm super tempted to buy into it. The only thing I really care about is WvW and the idea of being able to do that without a lovely level gear grind is really awesome. I was told that this game has one of the worst gear grinds of any mmo.

Didn't get a lot of specifics so I wanted to know if anything was changed since the OP or if it's just bitter vets.
Trust me it is okayish to fun and you should buy it. A much better purchase than more Station Cash I assure you.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Notorious R.I.M. posted:

WvW in this game seems to be dying at an eerily rapid rate, though. It's probably the segment of the game that developers neglect most.

Haha what the gently caress game are you talking about. WvW isn't dying whatsoever, and the most developer neglected part of the game (by far, objectively) is sPvP.

Erdricks
Sep 8, 2005

There's nothing refreshing like a sauna!
Is anyone interested in trading gw1 stuff for gw2 stuff? I'm working on HoM right now and need gold, z-keys, undedicated minis, hero armor, etc... Pretty much anything valuable. I have buckets of gw2 gold, mats, and other collectibles to give in exchange.

daspope
Sep 20, 2006

Comrade Potatoes wanted a PvE condi thief build. Here's something that should be relatively easy to gear for.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQRAoY4Yl8Mp5pFOx3J0PNhMh47226Fo7lVPC-ThyCABAcCAUVJIK6HMw8nRK/u4BAMxBB4G1fmZ/BKOCAECYxcA-e

You can go cheap and get major sigils of energy and battle. Or, buy a claw of desert. That might be a decent deal.

There might be a more effective build with aristocracy, precision, and earth sigils, but I think it'd be more of a pain in the rear end to play for marginal gains.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Erdricks posted:

Is anyone interested in trading gw1 stuff for gw2 stuff? I'm working on HoM right now and need gold, z-keys, undedicated minis, hero armor, etc... Pretty much anything valuable. I have buckets of gw2 gold, mats, and other collectibles to give in exchange.

Yes, I'll reinstall GW1 and let you know what I have leftover, I have no need for any of it and would love to send it to you in exchange for GW2 gold!!

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


CLAM DOWN posted:

Yes, I'll reinstall GW1 and let you know what I have leftover, I have no need for any of it and would love to send it to you in exchange for GW2 gold!!

Games dead. Back to GW1 everybody.

weinus
Mar 4, 2004

I was made to understand there were grilled cheese sandwiches here.

CLAM DOWN posted:

Haha what the gently caress game are you talking about. WvW isn't dying whatsoever, and the most developer neglected part of the game (by far, objectively) is sPvP.

He's not wrong... it's definitely not what it was pre-season 1 or even pre-season 2. Numerous guilds have quit, and population is just down overall across all servers. Part of the problem is having 24-freaking-servers when only 6-8 of them even have a decent population playing WvW.

I wouldn't say sPvP is most neglected (by far, objectively)... I think you only say that because you want something other than conquest, which ANet doesn't seem interested in.

I think they are sadly equally neglected. I love WvW more than anything in this game so it's sad to see guilds and people stop playing but I really can't blame them when ANet doesn't seem to recognize the potential they had with it.

rap music
Mar 11, 2006

weinus posted:

He's not wrong... it's definitely not what it was pre-season 1 or even pre-season 2. Numerous guilds have quit, and population is just down overall across all servers. Part of the problem is having 24-freaking-servers when only 6-8 of them even have a decent population playing WvW.

I wouldn't say sPvP is most neglected (by far, objectively)... I think you only say that because you want something other than conquest, which ANet doesn't seem interested in.

I think they are sadly equally neglected. I love WvW more than anything in this game so it's sad to see guilds and people stop playing but I really can't blame them when ANet doesn't seem to recognize the potential they had with it.

How long ago did EotM come out? How long ago did the WvW season end? How long ago was there a major SPvP reward overhaul? I'm failing to see the neglect in this free to play video game.

weinus
Mar 4, 2004

I was made to understand there were grilled cheese sandwiches here.
EotM is barely WvW, it's 90% uplevels and people collecting ascended mats - a glorified champ train. People actively avoid fighting.

WvW seasons were pretty much just a way to add rewards to WvW - season 2 was better in this respect but it was basically the same as WvW always is, and arguably was bad for WvW overall.

sPvP rewards overhaul was good but it's not enough to keep people interested.

All the changes they've made have been failures or minor tweaks to existing systems to give you the impression that they do still care about PvP in this game.

I can't really complain, I've put several thousand hours into this game in the past 2 years and definitely got much, much more than I paid for, and I do still like the game a lot. But to say they're anything but neglectful of WvW and sPvP is just dumb.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




weinus posted:

EotM is barely WvW, it's 90% uplevels and people collecting ascended mats - a glorified champ train. People actively avoid fighting.

Someone needs to attend a WvWednesday.

rap music
Mar 11, 2006

weinus posted:

EotM is barely WvW, it's 90% uplevels and people collecting ascended mats - a glorified champ train. People actively avoid fighting.

WvW seasons were pretty much just a way to add rewards to WvW - season 2 was better in this respect but it was basically the same as WvW always is, and arguably was bad for WvW overall.

sPvP rewards overhaul was good but it's not enough to keep people interested.

All the changes they've made have been failures or minor tweaks to existing systems to give you the impression that they do still care about PvP in this game.

I can't really complain, I've put several thousand hours into this game in the past 2 years and definitely got much, much more than I paid for, and I do still like the game a lot. But to say they're anything but neglectful of WvW and sPvP is just dumb.


I tend to appreciate what ANet has given us rather than what they haven't, even if "all the changes they've made have been failures." I guess I'm just dumb! :yayclod:

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


CLAM DOWN posted:

Someone needs to attend a WvWednesday.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Apparently all I needed to enjoy playing a mesmer was to make a fat, bald Norn with a fiery goatee and day-glo clothing.

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


Visidan posted:

It depends on your server, for example Maguuma has significantly more players than it did a year ago.

Edit: Anet may have buffed the drop rates from gauntlet chances tuesday patch, http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/43563

So besides Maguuma are there any other WvW focused servers or am I misunderstanding how servers work?

Dukka posted:

A much better purchase than more Station Cash I assure you.

Well obviously.... because I ran out of things to buy in Ps2. :negative:

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Sedisp posted:

So besides Maguuma are there any other WvW focused servers or am I misunderstanding how servers work?


Well obviously.... because I ran out of things to buy in Ps2. :negative:

Maguuma has great WvW activity and you can have tons of fun with the goon guilds, which you wouldn't be able to have if you weren't on Maguuma!

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Traxus IV
Sep 11, 2001

it's our time now
let's get this shit started


weinus posted:

EotM is barely WvW, it's 90% uplevels and people collecting ascended mats - a glorified champ train. People actively avoid fighting.

WvW seasons were pretty much just a way to add rewards to WvW - season 2 was better in this respect but it was basically the same as WvW always is, and arguably was bad for WvW overall.

Pretty much all of the biggest fights I've participated in for WvW were in EotM and not just with SFD, I like to run around there with my non-goon friends as well. From what I've seen usually in the other maps one group or another runs back to the safety of whatever tower or keep is nearby that they own and plink away at the enemy from the walls there, whereas in EotM zergs seem to actively hunt each other down or at least divert from other objectives to engage in an all-out brawl. Maybe your experiences aren't definitive of EotM combat as a whole?

Also I would like to hear the arguments for how the season 2 stuff was bad for WvW, and I'm not being smarmy here I'm actually interested. Wouldn't it have encouraged people who don't regularly play WvW to jump in and give it a try, leading to some population retention? How could that be bad?

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