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Jonny Nox posted:Well the report says the pilot "suffered cognitive failure" which is now my new term for "had a massive brain fart" Military/industrial euphemisms for a variety of failures are often hilarious, in a slightly black-humoured sort of way.
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stuxracer posted:The report for it (linked in video) says this was like 100% pilot error and had nothing to do with sea water. Either way, it ended up full of seawater and probably didn't funcitno too well afterwards.
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Jeherrin posted:Military/industrial euphemisms for a variety of failures are often hilarious, in a slightly black-humoured sort of way. "Engine-rich exhaust", "uncontrolled rapid autonomous disassembly event", "non-graceful physical interruption of service", "lithobraking event", and "operator-off landing" are all things that I have heard in the course of either hobbies or work. ("My rocket exploded", "The gun exploded", "someone cut the power lines for my server with a rotary saw", "The quad-rotor hit the ground and stopped working forever", and "so did the other one.")
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fakeaccount posted:Found your problem, right here. Man, idk, the Chevy 4.3 is up there with the Jeep 4.0. No oil? No coolant? Let's go. That's not to say that GM doesn't suck now. My sister owns a Suzuki Forenza a.k.a. Daewoo Lacetti. 10 years old and it's due for its third engine. The only thing worse than GM is GM's wholly-owned Korean subsidiary.
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On the other hand those loving intake manifold gaskets are the worst
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Isn't the GM 4.3 literally a GM 5.7 with two cylinders chopped off?
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Exit Strategy posted:"Engine-rich exhaust", "uncontrolled rapid autonomous disassembly event", "non-graceful physical interruption of service", "lithobraking event", and "operator-off landing" are all things that I have heard in the course of either hobbies or work. My favourite is "hardware-rich combustion".
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rscott posted:On the other hand those loving intake manifold gaskets are the worst Yes, rubber ribs in a plastic body squashed between the intake and head. I can't count how many I've replaced. Thankfully Fel-Pro (and others?) make a much better upgraded replacement. "Farking Bastage posted:Isn't the GM 4.3 literally a GM 5.7 with two cylinders chopped off? Yes. All of the guts are the same, minus 2 cyl.
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thelightguy posted:Man, idk, the Chevy 4.3 is up there with the Jeep 4.0. No oil? No coolant? Let's go. I just finished an oil change on my 92 4.0 XJ (special thanks to the local lube for using an elephant to torque my filter). It was supposed to have 6 quarts in there, but I think I only drained about 3. It's pushing 230k, I think I should start babying this old girl. This engine is a mechanical victory. Murphy ain't got poo poo on a 4.0.
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Horse Divorce posted:I just finished an oil change on my 92 4.0 XJ (special thanks to the local lube for using an elephant to torque my filter). It was supposed to have 6 quarts in there, but I think I only drained about 3. It's pushing 230k, I think I should start babying this old girl. This engine is a mechanical victory. Murphy ain't got poo poo on a 4.0. No oil, no coolant, upside-down, full of sand/water, pick any two, and the 4.0 will probably still get you home later.
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Terrible Robot posted:No oil, no coolant, upside-down, full of sand/water, pick any two, and the 4.0 will probably still get you home later. As far as I know the engines that can take abuse like this are the 4.0, GM 3800, and Nissan VQ. The Ford SPI 2000 gets an honourable mention for being unkillable but also focusing that neglect back at the owner in the form of vibration and noise.
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Toyota 4A-FE, 22R, 4K, F series. Single cam nissan RB's, Nissan GA15/16-DE also spring to mind. I wonder about things like the intake manifold gasket thing. There are countless cars which have plastic manifolds and rubber o-ring style gaskets in the runners pressing against machined flat surfaces on the head, most of them don't fail. Likewise, how is it a japanese car can go for 200,000km without the rear main seal springing a leak but a BMW is lucky to make it past the warranty period? A crank seal is a crank seal, it isn't rocket science, why do some cars trash certain parts often? Mechanical parts like poorly made water pumps, lifters made out of too-soft metal and such I can understand. But if you're sticking standardised rubber seals in something surely they should be of the same quality and longevity regardless of brand?
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That reminds me of hearing a story about some guys doing a clutch on an LS1 commodore or something similar for the first time. They wanted to get the spigot bearing out. Brilliantly, they used that classic trick of filling the cavity behind it with grease, then using a drift the same size as the output shaft spigot to hydraulically pop the bearing out thanks to the incompressibility of grease. And after a couple of hits, the bung pressed into the end of the cam fell forwards into the sump. Then they discovered that you can't take the sump off such a commodore without suspending the engine in the bay using a holder and taking the subframe out from beneath. A tool they didn't have.
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Slavvy posted:Then they discovered that you can't take the sump off such a commodore without suspending the engine in the bay using a holder and taking the subframe out from beneath. A tool they didn't have. Bah. Weaklings  This was a rear main seal job that I did a while back.
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It's like they were trying to make one of those cutaway cars, but horizontally instead of vertical.
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8ender posted:As far as I know the engines that can take abuse like this are the 4.0, GM 3800, and Nissan VQ. The Ford SPI 2000 gets an honourable mention for being unkillable but also focusing that neglect back at the owner in the form of vibration and noise. Volvo redblocks and B18/B20 engines qualify for that list.
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8ender posted:As far as I know the engines that can take abuse like this are the 4.0, GM 3800, and Nissan VQ. The Ford SPI 2000 gets an honourable mention for being unkillable but also focusing that neglect back at the owner in the form of vibration and noise. Put the Ford 300 I6 on the list too from what I hear. Hell, most 7-main iron I6s qualify. And I think Fart Pipe might disagree with the 2000 split port nomination. One of his cousins killed two of them in something like 6 months without running them out of oil, water, OR hydrolocking them. Sudo Echo posted:Didn't even know this was possible what the...  I guess it's probably a 1 piece seal riding on the edge of the crank flange, and one of the crank flange bolt holes was drilled all the way through...? But still, how the hell was it running well with that much oil in it? You'd have severe aeration issues with the oil up to the drat crank. And I don't see how or why there would be an intentional oil passage drilled in the crank to get to that area of the flange, either.
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RandomPauI posted:How long would the car had to have been dragged on the road for it to get like that? Quite a while. And I've seen several like that. They are usually "toads", i.e. a vehicle flat-towed behind an RV. Something goes wrong and it's impossible to see unless you have a rear facing camera.
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Motronic posted:Quite a while. And I've seen several like that. They are usually "toads", i.e. a vehicle flat-towed behind an RV. Something goes wrong and it's impossible to see unless you have a rear facing camera. I think RV owners are incapable of noticing anything around them. Last month we were following one of those monster rolling homes who's tow bar hadn't been stowed properly and was dragging on the asphalt. 20+ miles of people flashing headlights and honking horns trying to alert them and they still didn't get off the road. They never reacted at all. Eventually I turned onto another road so as far as I know they spent the whole day slowly filing the thing down.
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NitroSpazzz posted:Not sure if this is horrible mechanical or just horrible person failure... Sudo Echo posted:Didn't even know this was possible  I think this might be the best page in this thread; any one of those stands out on its own.
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xzzy posted:I think RV owners are incapable of noticing anything around them. Last month we were following one of those monster rolling homes who's tow bar hadn't been stowed properly and was dragging on the asphalt. 20+ miles of people flashing headlights and honking horns trying to alert them and they still didn't get off the road. They never reacted at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZFCHk1XCDY RV driver drags truck for 6 miles with it in park https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrn3Yb3L_iU <--loud volume warning Not an RV or necessarily a mechanical failure but it is entertaining
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Motronic posted:Quite a while. And I've seen several like that. They are usually "toads", i.e. a vehicle flat-towed behind an RV. Something goes wrong and it's impossible to see unless you have a rear facing camera. We had something fail in the steering system on our Jeep Liberty "toad" once which caused it to fail to return to center and just drag the front wheels along aimed to one side. We were flagged down by other RVers a mile or two down the road, but you're entirely right that behind a 13 ton Freightliner with a Cat torquing everything along you just can't notice anything. Even with the rear camera on and the microphone turned up it just sounded like slightly louder than usual road noise.
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Biscuit Joiner posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZFCHk1XCDY  The sheer degree of willful stupidity present there is astounding. I can almost, ALMOST see not realizing it's in park (although that is something I would double loving check just to be sure) but after seeing the damage done and still deciding its ok to keep towing as it is?  This is why I think RV's should require at least a class B commercial license.
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NitroSpazzz posted:Not sure if this is horrible mechanical or just horrible person failure...
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Sudo Echo posted:Didn't even know this was possible  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S4cldkdCjE&t=71s
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xzzy posted:I think RV owners are incapable of noticing anything around them. Watched a guy in what had to be a $200k RV with Florida plate rolling down to the cape towing a Mercedes GL63 AMG flat behind the RV. Now i bet that the GL is not intended to be neutral towed. Somehow they left the tailgate open on the GL as well, and whatever luggage was left inside was finding its way onto the highway. Completely ignores everyone around him all the way from Braintree to Plymouth. RV drivers are loving morons.
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kastein posted:Put the Ford 300 I6 on the list too from what I hear. Hell, most 7-main iron I6s qualify. From what I heard, the Ford 300I6 would outlive the Jeep 4.0's during the engine destruction part of that whole Cash for Clunkers mess years back.
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Atmus posted:From what I heard, the Ford 300I6 would outlive the Jeep 4.0's during the engine destruction part of that whole Cash for Clunkers mess years back. Somebody should set up a junkyard I6 grudge match and see which one reigns supreme. My personal bet is the old Mopar slant-6, those things are unkillable.
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Boat posted:Somebody should set up a junkyard I6 grudge match and see which one reigns supreme. My personal bet is the old Mopar slant-6, those things are unkillable. If we're doing junkyard matches, can I suggest another one: Get a cheap car and replace all fluids with Lucas products (and nothing else), run it, and see what happens.
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The Ford 2.3 or whatever other versions of the Lima engine seem to last forever too. I've heard or several Rangers with over 400k on the original engine. I've got 250k on mine and it still runs exactly the same as it did when I got it at 90k. Slow and leaky. I'm hoping for another 150k of slow and leaky life before I have to replace it.
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revmoo posted:Bah. Weaklings I don't know too much about things, what am I looking at here?
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Wasabi the J posted:I don't know too much about things, what am I looking at here? Block of wood is holding up the engine as they had to remove the things that attach the engine to the car
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