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Let's talk about software development projects that make it through architecture review without anyone designing what the actual environment is going to look like. "Oh, that's a neat piece of software. Where do you think you're going to be running it? Because I don't see any hardware requisitions tied to this project and we don't have space for it in our existing infrastructure."
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HatfulOfHollow posted:Let's talk about software development projects that make it through architecture review without anyone designing what the actual environment is going to look like. I didn't know you worked at my company  We've finally done this poo poo one too many times so now myself and another guy from the Ops group are going to be sitting in on development planning sessions. Not to be naysayers but just to help point out potential problems from our side before they spend 2 months developing a feature we can't deploy.I guess we're gonna ~~do DevOps~~ ?
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Jul 3, 2014 18:45
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The only thing I hate more than "what's your greatest weakness?" was the rear end in a top hat interviewer that asked me "what are your two greatest weaknesses?" I guess my second weakness is that I only came prepared to give you one.
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Jul 3, 2014 18:48
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Fellatio del Toro posted:"what are your two greatest weaknesses?" "I can't just stop working on a project when the day ends. I often take my work home with me... which is why I developed a crippling alcohol dependency."
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Jul 3, 2014 18:52
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Comradephate posted:It was a joke. I guess in an interview I would say that my weakness is that I'm not very good at conveying jokes in text.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:33
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Here's the beginning of a script some genius wrote years ago that accounting uses to backup some data files: X: cd \Noon DEL *.* It doesn't check if X exists. Because of some air conditioning issues we had to shut down some servers last night. Because of that, today X didn't exist.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:38
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Awesome that Windows in TYOOL 2014 still doesn't have any equivalent to bash -e.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:46
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tworow2 posted:Here's the beginning of a script some genius wrote years ago that accounting uses to backup some data files: I'm glad you shared this. Often when people share bad code I have no idea what's wrong, this is a nice one that's easy for people of all skill levels to figure out why it's bad. Worst case, as long as you can figure out what del *.* is, you can open up your console and try the first two lines to see what would happen if X doesn't exist.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:52
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Misogynist posted:Awesome that Windows in TYOOL 2014 still doesn't have any equivalent to bash -e. Tons of ways you can do this kind of thing in Powershell, which I mainly use nowadays (don't use cmd/batch scripting anymore). Powershell loving rules. CLAM DOWN fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Jul 3, 2014 20:57
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You can use 'if exists' in batch scripts.
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Jul 3, 2014 21:01
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I got a callback from a recruiter who had a job posting up yesterday who wants to meet. He's local, so I'm gonna go down there. I'm wary of any recruiters, and know enough not to sign anything with him. My second misapprehension is that the company is a vacation timeshare company. Nonetheless, I'm going to go meet him- there's an opportunity to work with some interesting stuff, it sounds like. I'm assuming this is just a quick meet and greet so he can see I'm real and so he can probably try to get me to sign some kind of exclusivity contract or something, but other than that I'm not quite sure what to expect. I don't plan on going full suit-and-tie, maybe just some kind of business casual thing. Any other tips for me?
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Jul 3, 2014 21:02
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It's hard to give advice on how to dress, because it kind of depends on your specific line of work and geographic location. If I showed up to an interview in a suit and tie it would at best be something that the interviewers made fun of me for, and at worst it would disqualify me because they'd assume I had no idea how the culture is around here. If it's just what amounts to an in-person phone screening, there's not much to worry about. Just don't be a huge weirdo and don't come off like you're full of poo poo. Fake edit: huge weirdos can be really hard to get along with, and people who are full of poo poo won't own up to their mistakes, and both of those are qualities that nobody wants to work with.
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Jul 3, 2014 21:25
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Also be ready for the pitch and the recruiter not wanting to take no for an answer. If they get you in person and wasting time there, the idea is you'll be more reluctant to answer in the negative to an offer.
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Jul 3, 2014 21:26
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Thanks for the responses. I wear shorts and t-shirts to my current job (in SoCal), so I know the culture thing is a big one. If I were in NYC or something it seems everyone wears a suit. The recruiter actually suggested a Skype call initially, so I don't think this is going to be too high-pressure. He sounded semi-normal, so I'm hoping I don't get a used car salesman.
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Jul 3, 2014 21:53
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If it's just shooting the poo poo with a recruiter I wouldn't bother with full suit, especially in SoCal. Go business casual, whatever that is for your area. I'm still of the opinion that "real interview" == "always suit up" unless you know beyond a doubt that it's a total Brogrammer startup and you'll get disqualified for it, but we've done that topic to death several times. edit: unrelated, I just got hit up on LinkedIn by a recruiter named Jason Alexander. I'm just gonna assume that means I'd literally get to hang out with George Costanza
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Jul 3, 2014 21:55
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The place where I work now has a decent interview process. They have a list of questions relevant to your position, and try to weed through your experience to see if you're familiar with the common issues they run into on a day-to-day basis as a MSP. But when you first walk through the door, the COO shoots you with a nerf gun. There is a loaded nerf gun on the table, where you would sit. It is definitely a "lols nerf office" at face value, but the best part about that part of the interview is how people react to it. The person who won't grab a gun and fire back is also usually too stoic or introverted or serious for the kind of humor at the office. It's helped prevent anybody that doesn't like the occasional harmless background-swap prank, at least 
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Jul 3, 2014 23:25
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I'd probably end up shooting COO in the eye and have to start the interview off with "oh god I am so sorry"
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Jul 3, 2014 23:37
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I would shoot myself.
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Jul 3, 2014 23:47
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One of our offices has the "if you walk in the door, your rear end is getting nerfed" thing going on. Not gonna lie, I kind of loving hate it and I am far from a stodgy old fart. But after I get tagged in the side of the head while working on a sitewide outage a couple times it loses its appeal really quickly. There's startup shenanigans at our other office too but they're at least opt-in and non-violent. The only fun part of the nerf antics is that our ex-military and firearms enthusiasts are the other folks who think it's dumb. They never start the war but they will certainly end it! (just to be clear, I mean with nerf "shock and awe" retaliation and incredible aim, not actual guns).
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Jul 4, 2014 00:03
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Docjowles posted:Not gonna lie, I kind of loving hate it and I am far from a stodgy old fart. This is me. If I experienced that interview getting shot as I walked in the door I would probably have the most obvious "are you loving serious" look on my face.
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Jul 4, 2014 00:49
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death .cab for qt posted:The place where I work now has a decent interview process. They have a list of questions relevant to your position, and try to weed through your experience to see if you're familiar with the common issues they run into on a day-to-day basis as a MSP.
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Jul 4, 2014 00:57
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Companies where everyone has a nerf gun and the CEO skateboards in because we're all so cool and relaxed can suck but sometimes they can be fun and creative. Companies so formal that even the sticks up their rear end are required to wear a suit can also suck but can be a good place to get work done. Everything sucks and everything is awesome.Misogynist posted:Your company must be terrific at getting women to work there I know women who like that sort of office and those who hate it. Not sure how that applies.
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Jul 4, 2014 01:04
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This kind of thing is fine with me, on occasion. If every time I walk in the door I get a hail of nerf I'm going to get tired of it really quickly. If it's Friday and I'm getting back from lunch and take a nerf dart to the chest I probably won't care. If I'm in The Zone trying to crack a though problem and you nerf me in the head I will loving end you. It's all about knowing where and when and how much is okay before you go over the line. Which is why it can be a problem because a lot of people don't know or give a poo poo where the line is (which varies from person to person). In an interview situation, I would probably like it because interviews are just about the most stressful things ever and I welcome a little tension relieving. As long as it's not mean-spirited.
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Jul 4, 2014 02:03
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Things like nerf guns just seem like lovely ways to appeal to novices in order keep salaries low. There's a place and time for fun and it's not at work.
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Jul 4, 2014 02:20
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Tab8715 posted:There's a place and time for fun and it's not at work. You are or are going to be one of those bosses that thinks that if one of their minions is smiling, they aren't doing their jobs.
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Jul 4, 2014 02:21
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Che Delilas posted:You are or are going to be one of those bosses that thinks that if one of their minions is smiling, they aren't doing their jobs. No, I'd assume he's smiling because he's happy and leave him be.
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Jul 4, 2014 02:24
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Che Delilas posted:You are or are going to be one of those bosses that thinks that if one of their minions is smiling, they aren't doing their jobs. And you are or are going to be Michael Scott. It's possible to have a relaxed, casual working environment without monkey cheese poo poo like "LOL the COO shoots you in the inverview with a nerf gun to see if your a bro" culture fit
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Jul 4, 2014 02:24
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Misogynist posted:Your company must be terrific at getting women to work there Hasn't been an obstacle  Most people that get interviewed and not hired are usually just people that don't take a joke. The first time I got shot post-interview was when the office manager (a woman) shot me from down a hallway as I was getting coffee. The office is about 2:1 guys to girls, but that seems a lot more a symptom of being an MSP than having nerf guns. The web design place next door to us is 2:1 girls to guys, and they've gone from single-shot handguns to full automatic rifles. Tab8715 posted:There's a place and time for fun and it's not at work. That's pretty much the exact attitude the interview bit tries to bring out in people, because we all feel pretty strongly the opposite.
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Jul 4, 2014 02:30
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I think nerf guns and I lean more toward 'startup bro culture' and not fun place to work, sorry. You can joke and have fun at work without being a perpetual child surrounded by toys. Plus a lot of those amenities are deeply insidious anyway. Free food, drinks and beer so you won't mind staying at work longer or getting paid less! We're fun here!
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Jul 4, 2014 02:32
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Or they can joke around and have fun while being a perpetual child surrounded by toys. It doesn't affect you. There are a million different reasons why you might or might not want to work for a company. If you walk in the door and get shot by a nerf gun and you don't like that happening, I guess work somewhere the gently caress else.
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Jul 4, 2014 02:36
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Stanos posted:I think nerf guns and I lean more toward 'startup bro culture' and not fun place to work, sorry. You can joke and have fun at work without being a perpetual child surrounded by toys. That more or less my point. Granted, I'm sure there are plenty of companies are very relaxed, carefree, open, nobody-is-anyone's-boss that are successful but I feel that many of them devolve into "silo" into stupid cliquey high-school groups. Or they're just trying play you into taking a low-salary. I prefer more structure, personally.
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Jul 4, 2014 02:42
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Comradephate posted:Or they can joke around and have fun while being a perpetual child surrounded by toys. Which is, again, the point. It's not a bro-culture by any stretch of the imagination, and it doesn't have a kegerator set up in the break room. The whole place has a heavy emphasis on study/growth, for clients/employees/business. Employees especially, there's channels for getting certified in just about everything, and raises for getting certified. Get certified in X things in a quarter, your pay is raised by Y for the next quarter. It just also has nerf darts whizzing by you every once in a while
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Jul 4, 2014 02:44
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If Nerf guns are bro culture than I am bro as gently caress. Nerf owns.
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Jul 4, 2014 02:48
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PCjr sidecar posted:It's possible to have a relaxed, casual working environment without monkey cheese poo poo like "LOL the COO shoots you in the inverview with a nerf gun to see if your a bro" This is not the only definition of "fun." Edit: Go back and read the specific statement I quoted, which is what I was taking issue with. You can have fun at work, and it doesn't have to be monkey cheese poo poo. Che Delilas fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Jul 4, 2014 |
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Jul 4, 2014 02:52
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Is it just a tension/ice breaker type thing or is it an actual "LOL WE REBEL AGAINST THE MAN WITH OUR TOYS"?
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Jul 4, 2014 02:59
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If I ran a company, for fun we would do this stuff.
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Jul 4, 2014 03:01
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So stupid adult toys? edit: And expensive cars makes me think of stodgy middle age white men in suits. Which sounds like a horrible place to work. I think the answer's going to be that different people like different things and that's ok.
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Jul 4, 2014 03:07
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Che Delilas posted:This is not the only definition of "fun." Fair enough. I think we'd agree that you can have a fun work environment without having "fun."
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Jul 4, 2014 03:09
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jim truds posted:So stupid adult toys? Oh yeah like I would want to indulge in some tiny dick compensation car racing. Grow up, people. PCjr sidecar posted:Fair enough. I think we'd agree that you can have a fun work environment without having "fun." The problem is that fun is subjective and if you force it everything becomes miserable.
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Inspector_666 posted:The problem is that fun is subjective and if you force it everything becomes miserable. Yeah, in my mind that's the difference between fun and "fun."
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