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Mustang posted:We should invade Iran and liberate all the hot Persian chicks from the hijab Iranian-Americans almost 100% are the ones who got thrown out / fled during the Shah's overthrow (that, or they're those guys's kids.) Key tell is if they prefer being called Persian, a lot of them find 'Iranian' to be fairly offensive. They're going to be very ideologically different from the ones that stayed; it's kinda like trying to judge native Cubans from the ones living in Florida. The 'least religious / most open to Western lifestyle' Muslim country in the MidEast used to be Iraq, but these days your best bet is probably Lebanon
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Mustang posted:We should invade Iran and liberate all the hot Persian chicks from the hijab shes pretty hot
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orange juche posted:shes pretty hot I'd def sneak off the FOB late one night with two of my joes, detain her and her family, plug her family in the dome in front of her and then violate her sexually before lightning that Muslim harlot and her folks on fire... If you know what I mean  Haha man, the surge is never not funny to remember.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-04/u-s-seen-as-biggest-oil-producer-after-overtaking-saudi.htmlquote:The U.S. will remain the world’s biggest oil producer this year after overtaking Saudi Arabia and Russia as extraction of energy from shale rock spurs the nation’s economic recovery, Bank of America Corp. said. I'm pretty sure I've effortposted before how there's few things in recent years with more effect on national security than fracking. One can only imagine the effect on oil prices, gas prices and the knockon all the way down the economy if all this Mideast poo poo was going down without the tremendous buffer of American oil production; we'd be in complete lockup. That's not even getting into what the GDP numbers of this 'recovery' would look like minus the brown economy.
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Snowdens Secret posted:the brown economy Don't even start, Shim
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Snowdens Secret posted:Don't even start, Shim Instead of pesos do they use negros in the brown economy?
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Also.. We're the largest producers of Oil and Gas, how long can we sustain that? Do we have enough proven reserves to ride the next correction? Cheap natural gas really delays the poo poo out of nuclear long term I'm guessing, so when do we run into expensive LNG here and have a coal gap between there and nuclear/renewables..
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Jul 7, 2014 06:49
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Obama Africanus posted:Also.. We're the largest producers of Oil and Gas, how long can we sustain that? Do we have enough proven reserves to ride the next correction? Going just off of proven reserves, a very, very long time. The question is rather what level of environmental damage and flammable aquifer you are willing to accept. Even if you give zero shits about nature , drinking water is kind of a big deal to gently caress up. A lot of the reserves you'd like to tap are close to large population centers, and in areas already strapped for fresh water. It is unlikely we'll find a way to frak without causing ground water pollution.
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Godholio posted:Good thing gas prices are still going up. That was my point. Without the increase in domestic production from fracking, it would be far, far worse (see: the "completely unaffordable" bit I quoted), not just for you to fill up to get to work, but for anything to be shipped by truck. Which at a minimum includes all your groceries, whose prices would have to reflect that tremendous rise, and which are already under tremendous price pressures. The German situation is a clear reminder that it's more politics that holds up new nuclear than it is fossil fuel prices.
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https://ia902500.us.archive.org/24/items/dbq01_desktop_en/dbq01_desktop_en.pdf Gotta give ISIS credit due for their graphic designers, crazy to see terrorist's running convoys with our old mraps and knights.
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Courthouse posted:Going just off of proven reserves, a very, very long time. The question is rather what level of environmental damage and flammable aquifer you are willing to accept. Even if you give zero shits about nature , drinking water is kind of a big deal to gently caress up. A lot of the reserves you'd like to tap are close to large population centers, and in areas already strapped for fresh water. It is unlikely we'll find a way to frak without causing ground water pollution. If you're getting this from the Pennsylvania stuff, I don't have any links bookmarked but it took some serious flim-flammery to blame flammable tap water on fracking. (E: See here, bottom of page 5.) Regardless of any actual possible risks, essentially every complaint brought up against fracking (in that case) was a complete and rather obvious sham. This goes along with anti-fracking (along with a huge dollop of the rest of the green stuff, including roughly the entirety of the anti-nuclear movement) appealing to people who are essentially religious nuts with a Weekly World News level of science understanding. (Ignorant people with bad energy policy really piss me off, especially when they don't realize just how far their dumb NIMBY poo poo reaches; see, the entire loving MidEast) Snowdens Secret fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Snowdens Secret posted:Iranian-Americans almost 100% are the ones who got thrown out / fled during the Shah's overthrow (that, or they're those guys's kids.) Key tell is if they prefer being called Persian, a lot of them find 'Iranian' to be fairly offensive. They're going to be very ideologically different from the ones that stayed; it's kinda like trying to judge native Cubans from the ones living in Florida. i know an iranian citizen who has the same thing where he gets really offended by being known as one. apparently there's still a large minority of people who just weren't able to peace out of the country back during the revolution or w.e
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Snowdens Secret posted:That was my point. Without the increase in domestic production from fracking, it would be far, far worse (see: the "completely unaffordable" bit I quoted), not just for you to fill up to get to work, but for anything to be shipped by truck. Which at a minimum includes all your groceries, whose prices would have to reflect that tremendous rise, and which are already under tremendous price pressures. Gas prices are barely linked to production/refining capabilities. The current rise of gas prices in the US is due entirely to speculation caused by the deregulation of the commodities market in the 90s.
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My favorite part of this oil/gas prices fighting is the fact that like 95% of people omit that some good ole boys from the woods of North Carolina found a solution for cars in the 20s.
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Genocide Tendency posted:My favorite part of this oil/gas prices fighting is the fact that like 95% of people omit that some good ole boys from the woods of North Carolina found a solution for cars in the 20s. If your talking about slamming down ethyl glycol and methanol and stringing up errant farm equipment gone native that you caught whistling at a white woman.. Yeah, I suppose the boys in NC solved our problem of a good portable hydrocarbon fuel. First pass cold pressed racism is pretty much 178 octane and also is great for a huff, or a lynching. And we're still fracking jerry curl deposits in Birmingham, AL from the days when Eddie murphies girl liked to party all the time.. So maybe the energy solution is forever below the Mason-Dixon Line.  Anyway, if we could find a way to make booger sugar and into a high octane clean fuel I bet NASCAR would be a fuckload more interesting. My imaginary morning commute to the job I don't have would certainly be livened up, that's for sure. Holy poo poo the mighty ducks is on!
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psydude posted:Gas prices are barely linked to production/refining capabilities. The current rise of gas prices in the US is due entirely to speculation caused by the deregulation of the commodities market in the 90s. Psydude I swear, I have no idea how deep your rabbit hole goes
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Snowdens Secret posted:Psydude I swear, I have no idea how deep your rabbit hole goes Deep. 
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Snowdens Secret posted:Psydude I swear, I have no idea how deep your rabbit hole goes Production/refining will help control price fluctuations due to supply issues (and has helped offset the bigger problem of competing with emerging market like China, India, and Brazil); however if you think that increased domestic output = lower prices, then you're over-simplifying a very complex issue. e: The TLDR for both of those papers is that speculation likely had little to do with the pre-2008 increase; however it has probably contributed to post-2008 price shocks. psydude fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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If speculation had little to do with oil and gas prices pre-2008, why did prices crash so hard after the stock market poo poo the bed, and rise steadily afterwards? Demand is relatively inelastic and thus didn't drop much when the recession hit, and production certainly didn't skyrocket overnight.
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Snowdens Secret posted:That was my point. Without the increase in domestic production from fracking, it would be far, far worse (see: the "completely unaffordable" bit I quoted), not just for you to fill up to get to work, but for anything to be shipped by truck. Which at a minimum includes all your groceries, whose prices would have to reflect that tremendous rise, and which are already under tremendous price pressures. If you think the current price of gas has anything at all to do with scarcity, you haven't been paying attention. Edit : I can type this morning, really.
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Otto Skorzeny posted:If speculation had little to do with oil and gas prices pre-2008, why did prices crash so hard after the stock market poo poo the bed, and rise steadily afterwards? Demand is relatively inelastic and thus didn't drop much when the recession hit, and production certainly didn't skyrocket overnight. That's essentially the point: the rapid rise in price between 04-08 was due mainly to a sharp demand increase from emerging markets; however the price drop in 2008 and subsequent resurgence in the face of rapidly increasing domestic production is most likely the result of speculation in the futures market.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Iranian-Americans almost 100% are the ones who got thrown out / fled during the Shah's overthrow (that, or they're those guys's kids.) Key tell is if they prefer being called Persian, a lot of them find 'Iranian' to be fairly offensive. They're going to be very ideologically different from the ones that stayed; it's kinda like trying to judge native Cubans from the ones living in Florida. It's Jordan. Ask anyone in Australia about "Lebos"
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Larry Parrish posted:i know an iranian citizen who has the same thing where he gets really offended by being known as one. apparently there's still a large minority of people who just weren't able to peace out of the country back during the revolution or w.e A guy I've known since high school was born in Iran after the revolution and he always makes sure people know he's Persian. He still visits his family back in Iran every so often and he says that people in Iran eat up American movies/tv shows/music/etc. According to him while the vast majority of Iranians are no fans of the US government they actually tend to have a very positive view of American people and a lot of them wish they could move to the US. By this point a lot of people are pretty upset with the way the revolution turned out.
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I seriously wonder how long it will take the muslim world to come around to the modern age, i.e. not killing each other/non-muslims left and right because of religion and being general dickholes. I've always thought about what it would be like to visit Iraq when I'm an old fart with an IRAQ WAR VET hat on visiting my old patrol sector in Baghdad, like how old Vietnam vets do that poo poo. But then I realize that won't happen for a loooooongggg loving time, definitely way past any of our lifetimes.
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Mike-o posted:I seriously wonder how long it will take the muslim world to come around to the modern age, i.e. not killing each other/non-muslims left and right because of religion and being general dickholes. I've always thought about what it would be like to visit Iraq when I'm an old fart with an IRAQ WAR VET hat on visiting my old patrol sector in Baghdad, like how old Vietnam vets do that poo poo. But then I realize that won't happen for a loooooongggg loving time, definitely way past any of our lifetimes. That depends entirely on how quickly you can get every fractured alliance in the middle east to kill themselves to oblivion or appoint a charismatic shadow puppet dictator to rule across the entire region. Strife in the Middle East is an obvious foregone conclusion, so you might as well accelerate its slide into a constant tire fire. Then again the more energy independent we become, the less fucks we can give to that area entirely. Kinda like what's going on with this quote:Former Afghan Finance Minister Ashraf Ghani is in the lead to succeed Hamid Karzai as the country's next president, according to preliminary results Monday from the disputed vote.
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quote:frakking and nuclear is totes safe you guyz I'd argue that there is a pretty obvious connection between the neighbours hydro fracturing, and not-water stuff suddenly leaking into your well through these fractures that weren't here last week. And the dangers of nuclear are pretty obvious, and we'll never fully eliminate human stupidity. That's not to say environmental campaigners have not "improved" evidence and scandals when a situation is not sufficiently black/white for a good campaign. Or that, say, hydro power has not killed loads more people worldwide from bust dams and ruined habitats, etc. But it does not remove the fact that this poo poo will never be clean, and dumb people will always be trying to cut corners and causing disasters. But honestly I am too lazy to give the subject the effort it deserves for a decent debate on the merits. TLDR is that there is no such thing as feasible free and clean energy, and frakking is not something you can just do without consequences. The question rather is which set of consequences we prefer. Mike-o posted:I seriously wonder how long it will take the muslim world to come around to the modern age, i.e. not killing each other/non-muslims left and right because of religion and being general dickholes. The modern world never moved out of the killing left and right for religious/dickhead reasons, we just got a few big bombs and all agreed to keep our wanton murder outside europe/north america. Who knows? Perhaps Iran and Saudia Arabia getting the bomb will end up calming the area down? Slap up a wall through Baghdad to make it all formal. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Courthouse posted:And the dangers of nuclear are pretty obvious, and we'll never fully eliminate human stupidity.  Going to have to save this one for posterity.
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Courthouse posted:The modern world never moved out of the killing left and right for religious/dickhead reasons, we just got a few big bombs and all agreed to keep our wanton murder outside europe/north america. Who knows? Perhaps Iran and Saudia Arabia getting the bomb will end up calming the area down? Slap up a wall through Baghdad to make it all formal. Actually killing for resources and economic power is pretty rational vs chopping off little girl heads into the 21st century because of petty bullshit that has nothing to do with actual oppression
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Courthouse posted:And the dangers of nuclear are pretty obvious Go ahead, I'll wait. I'm probating you if your answer involves Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, or Fukushima
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Do criticality incidents (eg demon core) count? Nuke power is awesome, I just wanna throw the guy a bone
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Please don't take this away from me EBB.
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what about that accident that killed those three army guys and drove a spike through one guy pinning him to the roof.
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It's not like the criticality incidents are a good example, it was more early nuclear scientists with poor safety protocols. If you want a legit accident from poor design and operation, you could look at K-19 or other nuclear vessel incidents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-19
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Three of our lovely threads got more shitted up, so I'm getting back at you by posting content.
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Oh, I like content. 
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I've seen Godzilla alright. No hiding the truth. Honestly I'd be alright if a Godzilla-type creature existed.
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