Yiggy posted:

I really don't think you can make any assumptions about how anything will go in India based on a program in Tanzania.

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Results: Only 25% of the children in India received vitamin A supplementation, indicating a poor coverage, and the differences between the States were wide (<10% to >45%). Rural children (OR: 1.20; 95% CI: 1.10-1.30; P < 0.0001) and children of educated mothers (OR: 2.40; 95% CI: 2.04-2.83; P < 0.0001) were more likely to receive vitamin A supplementation than others. Children born in a higher birth order (6+) (OR: 0.54; 95% CI: 0.46-0.63; P < 0.0001) and those residing in states with low levels of social and economic development (OR: 0.51; 95% CI: 0.46-0.57; P < 0.0001) were only about half as likely to receive vitamin A supplementation as their counterparts. Conclusion: The national vitamin A supplementation program in India did not reach a majority of preschool children in 2005. Greater maternal formal education, higher household wealth status and high social development status of their State of residence appears to be an important determinant for receipt of a vitamin A supplementation by preschool children in India.

Yiggy posted:

Well first off I think you're leaning pretty heavily on a study I mentioned offhand but didn't link (and thats my fault, certainly not pointing fingers here) just to say "Maybe it could work" so lets dig a little deeper, because now that I'm looking at it more closely I didn't really report all of the details correctly (again, all my fault).

So first, here is a link to the study concerning Chandigarh. Looking at it more closely, this was not assessing the efficacy of coverage of the administration of supplementation but rather looking at an area where two rounds of supplementation were given, and then seeing if this lowered the incidence of diarrhea in children. I'm only able to read the abstract so I have no idea what the actual program was like, if its ongoing, if it was ultimately efficacious or not.

I kept digging and found this, which is more recent and speaks directly to the issue.


So it would appear that supplementation efforts are proving to be problematic with huge disparities in coverage in India. The differences in scale, governance and the dynamics of massive Indian cities all cast serious doubt on supplementation as any sort of panacea to vitamin a deficiency. Getting the vitamin A into the food supply is going to be way easier than trying to deal with any sort of administrative program in India.

illrepute posted:

I agree, it would be idiotic and evil to cut off options in the face of a huge crisis like the ones facing the developing world, which is why I think that golden rice should be offered and advertised as a solution- but if Indian farmers don't want to grow it? It should absolutely be acceptable to work with anti-GMO people to provide supplements if they are truly interested in helping the people in the developing world (which many people actually are, even if we think they are misinformed).

illrepute posted:

Maybe it could work in major cities as a way to cut down on deficiency.

Obdicut posted:

Why would it be acceptable to work with people who are blocking the easier way to solve the problem? And what do you mean by anti-GMO people providing supplements? Are you under the impression anti-GMO activists are in a position to deliver supplements?

You have absolutely no idea how much of a logistical and culture difficulty it would be to get people to take supplements.

illrepute posted:

I agree, it would be idiotic and evil to cut off options in the face of a huge crisis like the ones facing the developing world, which is why I think that golden rice should be offered and advertised as a solution- but if Indian farmers don't want to grow it? It should absolutely be acceptable to work with anti-GMO people to provide supplements if they are truly interested in helping the people in the developing world (which many people actually are, even if we think they are misinformed). Attitudes can be changed, but alternatives exist right now that are worth pursuing, ones that face different (possibly lesser) logistical hurdles, as the successful supplement programs in Tanzania suggest.

Solkanar512 posted:

Why aren't you calling for public GMO research?

meat sweats posted:

The only thing to debate and discuss is how to destroy anti-food-tech people.

Obdicut posted:

You have absolutely no idea how much of a logistical and culture difficulty it would be to get people to take supplements.

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In Afghanistan, children receive vitamin A supplementation along with the vaccination against polio as part of national immunization days. The volunteers who deliver the vitamin A and vaccine, trained by WHO and UNICEF, are reaching up to 95 per cent of Afghan children. Most children will receive their vitamin A dose from volunteers who go door-to-door to deliver these life-saving interventions. Families welcome the volunteers into their communities and their homes.

Despite instability in the country, vitamin A supplementation coverage is high, much higher than in some neighbouring countries. Canadian support of both the polio eradication project and vitamin A supplementation has been essential to the success of both programs.

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One high-strength vitamin A capsule every six months can help protect a child from the death and disease associated with vitamin A deficiency. These capsules cost approximately two cents each and can often be delivered through existing child health programs.

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UNITED NATIONS - ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE ON COORDINATION - SUBCOMMITTEE ON NUTRITION

CURRENTLY AVAILABLE TECHNOLOGIES IN INDIA TO COMBAT VITAMIN A MALNUTRITION

Rajammal P. Devadas

Rajammal P. Devadas is Director of the Sri Avinashiligam Home Science College for Women, Coimbatore, India.

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Promotion of Nutrition Gardens

Increased production of vitamin A rich foods through home gardens, school gardens and community gardens can result in increased consumption of vitamin A rich foods and lead to a reduction in the incidence of vitamin A deficiency. This was observed in the nationwide Applied Nutrition Programme (ANP) carried out in Tamil Nadu. The ANP has a three pronged approach: (a) stepping up the production of protective foods, like green leafy vegetables, fruits and eggs; (b) consumption of protective foods by the vulnerable groups: expectant and nursing mothers and children under five years of age; and (c) nutrition education.

In Bhavanisagar Block in Tamil Nadu there were 8 poultry units under the ANP. The production and distribution of eggs in three villages of the block over a period of seven years increased from 6344 eggs in 1962 to 39473 in 1968. The production and distribution of vegetables including green leafy vegetables raised through the home gardens, school gardens and community gardens in the block increased from 2723 kilogram vegetables to 4672 kg during the same period of time. The substantial contributions made by the Applied Nutrition Programme towards the production of vitamin A rich foods were utilized for relevant nutrition education.

Devadas and Prema (1965) observed that 66 percent of the mothers were anaemic with initial signs of vitamin A deficiency. They were given eggs and vegetables, including leafy vegetables from the ANP gardens. At the end of six months the nutritional status of the mothers improved to a considerable extent with the disappearance of all the clinical signs of vitamin A deficiency. Similar observations were recorded with regard to the preschoolers and expectant women.

One long term solution to the problem of vitamin A deficiency is to increase food production through home gardening. Properly designed gardens can contribute considerably towards the supply of vitamin A to meet the family's requirements. Garden vegetables can provide variety to a poor family's monotonous diet. The gardens can be grown even within the constraints of time and money by the rural households. Wherever possible, gardens could also be made income-generating propositions. Hence home gardening, school gardening as well as community gardening should be encouraged widely. Community gardens are helpful to conducting the feeding programmes in the community. Through community gardens, mothers could also be motivated to start designing home gardens. In one of the efforts to encourage rural mothers to produce low cost sources of beta carotene foods, 455 papaya saplings were distributed to the parents of preschool children who were participating in a feeding programme along with nutrition education. Of the 455 saplings, 201 survived and gave fruits. This horticultural effort can be further strengthened to pave the way for eradication of xerophthalmia.

As one of the attempts to improve the food production and consumption pattern of families, the Chief Minister of the state introduced 'Life Oriented Education' in the High Schools in 1984. Sri Avinashilingam Higher Secondary School for Girls availed itself of the opportunity to offer the 'Nutrition gardening' as one of the life oriented courses to pupils of VIII standard in the year 1984-1985 (Devadas, 1985). The specific objectives of the course were to:

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Simple technologies can be applied effectively towards the reduction of nutritional blindness among children. Nutrition education with provision of vitamin A rich foods and horticultural approach are effective strategies in tackling the existing problems of vitamin A deficiency. These efforts should be undertaken simultaneously by national and international agencies throughout the world to bring down the incidence of vitamin A deficiency.

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Punjab case

The Indian state of Punjab pioneered green revolution among the other states transforming India into a food-surplus country. The state is witnessing serious consequences of intensive farming using chemicals and pesticide. A comprehensive study conducted by Post Graduate Institute of Medical Education and Research (PGIMER) has underlined the direct relationship between indiscriminate use of these chemicals and increased incidence of cancer in this region. An increase in the number of cancer cases has been reported in several villages including Jhariwala, Koharwala, Puckka, Bhimawali, and Khara.

Environmental activist Vandana Shiva has written extensively about the social, political and economic impacts of the Green Revolution in Punjab. She claims that the Green Revolution's reliance on heavy use of chemical inputs and monocultures has resulted in water scarcity, vulnerability to pests, and incidents of violent conflict and social marginalization.

In 2009, under a Greenpeace Research Laboratories investigation, Dr Reyes Tirado, from the University of Exeter, UK conducted the study in 50 villages in Muktsar, Bathinda and Ludhiana districts revealed chemical, radiation and biological toxicity rampant in Punjab. Twenty percent of the sampled wells showed nitrate levels above the safety limit of 50 mg/l, established by WHO, the study connected it with high use of synthetic nitrogen fertilizers.

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But is a reprise of the green revolution—with the traditional package of synthetic fertilizers, pesticides, and irrigation, supercharged by genetically engineered seeds—really the answer to the world's food crisis? Last year a massive study called the "International Assessment of Agricultural Knowledge, Science and Technology for Development" concluded that the immense production increases brought about by science and technology in the past 30 years have failed to improve food access for many of the world's poor. The six-year study, initiated by the World Bank and the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization and involving some 400 agricultural experts from around the globe, called for a paradigm shift in agriculture toward more sustainable and ecologically friendly practices that would benefit the world's 900 million small farmers, not just agribusiness.

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Historically, agricultural development was geared towards increasing productivity and exploiting natural resources, but ignored complex interactions between agricultural activities, local ecosystems, and society.

These interactions must be considered to enable sustainable use of resources like water, soil, biodiversity and fossil fuels. Much of the agricultural knowledge, science and technology needed to resolve today’s challenges are available and well understood, but putting them into practice requires creative efforts from all stakeholders.

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The possibility of patenting genetic modifications can attract investment in agricultural research. But it also tends to concentrate ownership of resources, drive up costs, inhibit independent research, and undermine local farming practices such as seed-saving that are especially important in developing countries. It could also mean new liabilities, for example if a genetically modified plant spreads to nearby farms.

Many problems could be solved if biotechnologies would focus on local priorities identified through transparent processes involving the full spectrum of stakeholders.

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Many effective innovations are generated locally, based on the knowledge and expertise of indigenous and local communities rather than on formal scientific research. Traditional farmers embody ways of life beneficial to the conservation of biodiversity and to sustainable rural development.

Local and traditional knowledge has been successfully built into several areas of agriculture, for example in the domestication of wild trees, in plant breeding, and in soil and water management. Scientists should work more closely with local communities and traditional practices should have a higher profile in science education. Efforts should be made to archive and evaluate the knowledge of local people and to protect it under fairer international intellectual property legislation.

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Human health can be improved through efforts to diversify diets and enhance their nutritional value, through advances in technologies for processing, preserving and distributing food, and through better health policies and systems.

Food safety can be increased by investing in infrastructure, public health and veterinary capacity, and by developing legal frameworks for controlling biological and chemical hazards. Work-related health risks can be reduced by enforcing health and safety regulations. The spread of infectious diseases like bird flu can be limited through better coordination across the food chain.

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The report’s main assertion is that “business as usual is not an option.”It states that the industrialization of agriculture (i.e. paradigm based on the use of chemical inputs and fossil energy, and on a narrow genetic diversity), as well as lack of training and research into sustainable agricultural methods, have led to the overuse of natural resources, large-scale soil degradation, contribution to climate change, loss of critical biodiversity, inequity, malnourishment and rural-to-urban migration (among a long list of issues that need immediate action).

The report also demonstrates that enough food is produced worldwide to feed the global population into 2050. But that this food is not produced in the right place, by the right people or with the needed sustainable practices that would guarantee the health of the people, the environment and the economy. As the World Agricultural Council has indicated, the main hurdles are dissemination and sustainability.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7347239.stm

The study found that access to food was taken for granted in many nations, and farmers and farm workers were poorly rewarded for acting as stewards of almost one-third of the Earth's land.

It recommended a fundamental rethink of agricultural knowledge, science and technology, in order to achieve a sustainable global food system.

The experts said that efforts should focus on the needs of small-scale farmers in diverse ecosystems, and areas with the greatest needs.

Measures would include giving farmers better access to knowledge, technology and credit. It would also require investment to bring the necessary information and infrastructure to rural areas.

FRINGE posted:

There are too many fetishists in this thread. Seek solutions instead of satisfaction.

FRINGE posted:

There are too many fetishists in this thread. Seek solutions instead of satisfaction.

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Golden Rice has the potential to complement existing efforts that seek to reduce blindness and other VAD induced diseases. Those efforts include industrial fortification of basic foodstuffs with vitamin A, distribution of vitamin supplements, and increasing consumption of other foods rich in vitamin A. Those programs are successful mainly in urban areas but still around 45% of children around the world are not reached by supplementation programs. Moreover, these programs are not economically sustainable. Small countries, like Nepal or Ghana, require about 2 million dollars every year to run the campaigns, in spite of the negligible cost of the vitamin A capsules. A large country like India cannot afford to run country-wide programs, because the costs become prohibitive. There is no guarantee that donors and governments will be able to carry on funding those programs year after year (UNICEF, Micronutrient Initiative). Biofortified crops, like Golden Rice offer a long-term sustainable solution, because they do not require recurrent and complicated logistic arrangements once they have been deployed.

Adventure Pigeon posted:

No one here is advocating the abandonment of supplements. It's clear that they are not currently solving the problem as millions are still dying every year and hundreds of thousands are going blind.

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Regarding your other solutions, the creation of home gardens and "diversification of diets", you sound like any other idiot without a clue about how hard that can be in some parts of the world.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

That's actually a very peculiar argument, because Ghana's GDP in 2012, for example, was $83.74 billion (Index Mundi), with 5.2% of that being health expenditures (WHO). Makes me wonder why they even need a philanthropist to do a $2 million job.

Have to say, I am quite confused. Do or don't the logistics work out?

Absurd Alhazred posted:

There may be fetishists in this thread, but the Golden Rice Project sure isn't.

Kalman posted:

So, FRINGE, why do you think the awareness and coordination problem is easily solved in India despite research showing it isn't?

FRINGE posted:

Kalman, why do you not think that coordination and dissemination of nutrients combined with a return to mixed crop farming is a solution when the UN and IAASTD research says that it is?

FRINGE posted:

I did. In this thread. (Or the last one? Or both?) Im pretty sure you were there.

Turns out its doable, and cheap, and immediate. Claiming "culture difficulty" difficulty is coming from a pretty ... uncharitable point of view. (Those savages right?)

http://www.micronutrient.org/english/view.asp?x=706

Obdicut posted:

Why would it be acceptable to work with people who are blocking the easier way to solve the problem? And what do you mean by anti-GMO people providing supplements? Are you under the impression anti-GMO activists are in a position to deliver supplements?

You have absolutely no idea how much of a logistical and culture difficulty it would be to get people to take supplements.

Adventure Pigeon posted:

I'm in favor of supplements where they can do good. I'm in favor of crop diversity and local gardens where they can be developed and do good. I'm in favor of deploying golden rice as quickly as possible. The use of all three measures offer ways to solve a reprehensible problem, and together they'll do more good than independently.

Kalman posted:

The UN and IASSTD research doesn't say that. It says that in Afghanistan, combined with vaccination programs, vitamin A supplementation worked.

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CURRENTLY AVAILABLE TECHNOLOGIES IN INDIA TO COMBAT VITAMIN A MALNUTRITION

Rajammal P. Devadas

Rajammal P. Devadas is Director of the Sri Avinashiligam Home Science College for Women, Coimbatore, India.

Kalman posted:

But you would NEVER ignore unfavorable evidence, right, Kalman?

Adventure Pigeon posted:

The bottom line is that you prefer dead children to any ground being given to GM crops. I'm sorry I can't say it in a nicer way than that, but that's what all the crap you've thrown out boils down to.

I'm in favor of supplements where they can do good. I'm in favor of crop diversity and local gardens where they can be developed and do good. I'm in favor of deploying golden rice as quickly as possible. The use of all three measures offer ways to solve a reprehensible problem, and together they'll do more good than independently. Your concerns about Monsanto's patent rights in this situation are stupid and insignificant, as Monsanto has made no secret as to how it views the deployment of golden rice from a legal perspective. Your desire to believe in a stupid conspiracy trumps your concern over human life and that's pretty disgusting.

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Syngenta, in turn, has given the inventors a humanitarian licence to the full set of necessary technologies with the right to sublicense public research institutions and low-income farmers in developing countries.
"Humanitarian Use" means (and includes research leading to):
Use in developing countries (low-income, food-deficit countries as defined by FAO)
Resource-poor farmer use (earning less than US$10,000 per year from farming)
The technology must be introduced into public germplasm only.
No surcharge may be charged for the technology (i.e. the seed may cost only as much as a seed without the trait)
National sales are allowed by low-income farmers (in this way urban needs are also covered)
Reusing the harvested grain as seed for the following season is allowed (the farmer is the owner of his seeds)

FRINGE posted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Assessment_of_Agricultural_Knowledge,_Science_and_Technology_for_Development#Final_report
http://www.greenfacts.org/en/agriculture-iaastd/
http://www.unep.org/dewa/agassessment/index8138.html
http://time.hasco.me/iaastd-reports/

FRINGE posted:

Come the gently caress on.

Hypha posted:

I am not able to comment on many of these but you are essentially touching on "technical based practice versus knowledge based practice". A Monsanto representative will be able to tell you exactly how to farm per Monsanto protocol. They can tell you when to spray, what depth and spacing to plant at, how much nitrogen to put on, etc. They won't be wrong but it is not "optimal" per say for your land. There is then the old stubborn sourdoughs, to whom you can barely tell them anything (till they get stung twice). They are way more familiar with their land's capabilities and do more preventative techniques than a Monsanto rep will ever touch. In the end, an incredibly experienced farmer should be better than a Monsanto rep. That is not to say that they will avoid Monsanto and their ilk entirely but they know the game, they only want exactly what they need and don't care to stay for the pitch. The free coffee is nice though. Local knowledge, when coupled with technical, is the most effective. I am sure that within third world countries, it is likely the local component was thrown out for the technical. A new "white man's burden" kind of scenario. Of course, local knowledge can be utter hogwash but I've heard a lot of dumb things out of technical reps too.

A big reason, at least here, for GMO crops is the "lowering of the skill barrier". The old timer line is "now any idiot can grow canola". Canola is worth more than wheat but they are terrible for weeds. With glyphosate resistance, the weed problems can be trivialized (excluding glyphosate resistant weeds like kochia). People without the knowledge base to plan properly for canola now could grow it, provided they followed the companies recommendations. Hence, the popularity of GMO canola around here. Growing wheat would allow you to break even but growing canola allows you to send your kids to college. Considering many farmers also have second jobs to make ends meet, a package offering a lower threshold of risk is tempting. There are still other things to consider as well for agronomic practice, like disease control, but GMO canola is easier to handle than other varieties. The downside is that you are usually locked into a contract to move it and it is expected that you follow the companies specifications. No cheating when you spray, the herbicide comes with the seeds and you better apply it during "spray season". That is a definite problem and an unnecessary stressor on the environment.

There are a whole host of problems that lead to the overemphasis of yield over any other parameter and increased environmental damage. The problem of "genetic pollution" though has nothing to do with this. For that reason, I am not fond in general of anti-gmo proponents ideas cause all of them do nothing or have severe social or environmental drawbacks. The last guy I talked with talked about using these stone cairns he read about in Ireland that could redirect cosmic radiation to increase plant growth rates exponentially. When pressed about what wavelength, he claimed that there are more types of radiation than what the EM spectrum can explain. If I come to a old timer with this agronomic information, at the least I am going to get told I am full of poo poo. There are already mainstream proponents that are attempting to bring about that paradigm shift. The "Evergreen Revolution" from M S Swaminathan is one such example. You are probably more in line with his thinking than anything coming out of Monsanto. There have also been suggestions to breed more for resiliency over yield, to reduce chemical dependencies and boost productivity through reduced disease pressure. Finally, more must be done to make farming more about stewardship than strip mining. None of this is really controversial, nor are many of the people working on it zealots in either direction. This includes even people from Monsanto.

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Considering many farmers also have second jobs to make ends meet

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In a well-publicized campaign, in the 1980s, an environmental journalist Claude Alvares, accused Swaminathan of transferring the genetic wealth of rice of India, to the International Rice Research Institute. Alvares claimed that Dr. Richaria, an eminent genetic scientist and former director of Central Rice Research Institute, had objected to the transfer. Alvares also alleged that 19,000 varieties, assembled by Richaria at the Madhya Pradesh Rice Research Institute (MPRRI), were transferred to the IRRI, over ruling Richaria's objections. Richaria had claimed that he could produce varieties from traditional Indian subcontinental germ plasm, that could replicate or even increase the yield, as compared to the cross bred varieties introduced by IRRI. Claude Alvares saw this transfer of genetic resources as a part of a larger pattern of Neocolonialism- on the part of the USA.

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It’s a paradox of plenty. At a time when India ranks 67th among 81 countries in the 2011 Global Hunger Index prepared by the International Food Policy Research Institute, mountains of grain continue to rot in godowns while more recently, irate farmers spilled tonnes of potatoes on the streets in Punjab. A few months ago, it was tomato farmers in Jharkhand, and then it was the turn of onion growers in Rajasthan. And if you think this is a recent phenomenon, you are mistaken. I have seen this happening for nearly 25 years now across the country at regular intervals.

Disgusting, isn’t it? Well, the visuals of food rotting speak volumes of the criminal apathy, neglect and callousness with which we, as a nation, have failed to address the shameful scourge of hunger. For a country that has the dubious distinction of having the largest population of hungry in the world — close to 320 million — and with 42 percent of children officially clubbed as malnourished, the spectacle of massive quantities of food being allowed to go waste is an unpardonable crime. What is still worse is that hunger proliferates in a country that claims to be the world’s largest democracy.

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According to Euromonitor, retail sales in the packaged food market in India had been estimated to reach US$29.5 billion in 2012, making it the 15th largest in the world. That also represents a growth rate of 95.6% or US$14.4 billion since 2008.

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June, 2014

India is the world’s second largest producer of food with the potential of being the biggest, backed by its food and agricultural sector. The food processing industry is one of the largest industries in India and is ranked fifth in terms of production, consumption, export and expected growth. The total food production in India is likely to double in the next 10 years with the country’s domestic food market estimated to reach US$ 258 billion by 2015.

Agriculture, which provides employment to 52 per cent of the population, is estimated to account for 14 per cent of the country’s gross domestic product (GDP).

FRINGE posted:

On a totally different note, heres a direction of research finally making faster progress that I have been overjoyed about, Ive been waiting to see more and more of this stuff for years.

http://www.dtu.dk/english/News/Nyhed?id=fe4b6c9a-c07a-4e2d-b87d-8a99c188eeca
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140213122358.htm
https://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2014/February/bacteria-ifr-collaboration
http://www.caltech.edu/content/research-update-battling-infection-microbes
http://www.medicaldaily.com/salmonellas-weakness-uncovered-scientists-begin-working-medication-sap-bacterias-potency-290194

The value of human biome research dwarfs the value of bullshit Monsanto shits out, its just not sexy*, and doesnt have decades of PR and spin working for it. (I will also be as spiteful and 'anti-' if it comes to battles over who owns what strains that you are allowed to eat, implant, or 'possess'. This stuff needs to remain completely public and "species-owned".)

_{*People in an much older thread literally said they dont like normal food because it grows in dirt with bugs. Human bacteria research is a tough sell.}

illrepute posted:

The idea of mass distribution vitamin A supplements is also an interesting one, I'm curious if it has been tried before in India or elsewhere in the developing world (since, obviously, vitamin A supplements have been around far longer than golden rice), the results of that, and whether it could work on a large scale. It might be cheaper and meet less resistance than golden rice implementation.

The golden rice factsheets talked about this to a degree, and explained that India didn't have the budget to provide this. Would the UN World Food Program be able to make the up the deficit? Or international donors?

A big flaming stink posted:

FRINGE you are doing more infodump-and-run posts than eripsa did in his marble economy thread.

FRINGE posted:

Ive heard of Swaminathans book but never read it (and dont know if that will happen anytime soon). Ive seen his name during one of the several of these threads and do recall (like almost everyone playing the gene-trade/patent game) hes been a part of some sci/poli messes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._S._Swaminathan#Controversy

The complaints about Swaminathan (and the groups he was working with/for) mirror the concerns of Vendana Shiva.

disheveled posted:

Post 9-11 User posted:

P.S. new Sorensen:

Taaaaaaarb! posted:

Cross-post from the Politoons thread:

Tatum Girlparts posted:

The fact that they're calling their enemy 'big food' is telling enough.

Also, I'm fine with labeling GMO foods, I assume this means nearly literally every food will be labeled. It's kinda fuckin weird to see but hey, sticker makers need jobs I guess.