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I was reading that article about the 13th black crusade and was curious about something:quote:The Dark Angels meanwhile continued to wage a spirited defense of the ruins of their ancient homeworld of Caliban, and were even rumored to have captured the elusive Voice of the Emperor. I thought Caliban was destroyed, and the Dark Angels took the biggest chunk of it left and slapped engines onto it. So they could have a floating space castle?
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UberJumper posted:I was reading that article about the 13th black crusade and was curious about something:
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Jul 8, 2014 03:29
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UberJumper posted:I thought Caliban was destroyed, and the Dark Angels took the biggest chunk of it left and slapped engines onto it. So they could have a floating space castle? They do, and it's called "The Rock".
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Jul 8, 2014 13:04
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Shroud posted:They do, and it's called "The Rock". Yeah, and The Lion is on the second deepest level in stasis, and Luther is on the deepest level constantly weeping and crying over his betrayal waiting for Lion to forgive him. Absolutely no one knows this besides the Watchers and the Chapter Master. Speaking of, who are the most likely Primarchs who were set up to return? Leman Russ: Up and left, nothing major Vulkan: Find the 10 relics, he'll come back Guilliman: Stasis with a fatal wound Khan: Dark Eldar slave Corax: Same as Russ. The Daemon Princes obviously don't give a gently caress and wouldn't leave the Eye. pentyne fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Jul 8, 2014 16:14
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pentyne posted:Yeah, and The Lion is on the second deepest level in stasis, and Luther is on the deepest level constantly weeping and crying over his betrayal waiting for Lion to forgive him. Angron attacked Armageddon that one time.
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Jul 8, 2014 16:29
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Arquinsiel posted:Which they defended. The article seems to imply its Caliban the planet, was the whole Caliban was destroyed and remade into the rock a recent thing for the lore?
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Jul 8, 2014 16:41
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Angron attacked Armageddon that one time. Blood for the blood god and all that
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Jul 8, 2014 16:50
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boredsatellite posted:Blood for the blood god and all that Magnus attacked Fenris, Perturabo was part of the 10th Black Crusade, Mortarion hosed over an Ork Waaaagh, and Lorgar supplied demonic rituals and dark lore to Abaddon for the 13th Crusade. Recent authors have been trying to get the daemon primarchs more active.
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Jul 8, 2014 17:33
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UberJumper posted:The article seems to imply its Caliban the planet, was the whole Caliban was destroyed and remade into the rock a recent thing for the lore?
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Jul 8, 2014 17:35
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Cythereal posted:...Mortarion hosed over an Ork Waaaagh... He did? Don't remember that one at all. Sounds pretty interesting (by dint of it being not the Imperium a daemon primarch fights I guess).
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Jul 8, 2014 18:56
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Serpentis posted:He did? Don't remember that one at all. Sounds pretty interesting (by dint of it being not the Imperium a daemon primarch fights I guess). He infected an Ork Waaaagh with a plague that made all the orks explode into piles of nurglings when they touched down on an Imperial world, destroying both the Waaaagh and killing everyone on the planet in less than a day.
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Jul 8, 2014 19:41
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Cythereal posted:He infected an Ork Waaaagh with a plague that made all the orks explode into piles of nurglings when they touched down on an Imperial world, destroying both the Waaaagh and killing everyone on the planet in less than a day. What story was that in? I'd like to read that..
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Jul 8, 2014 20:58
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quote:Lorgar supplied demonic rituals and dark lore to Abaddon for the 13th Crusade. He what? There goes the whole 'not been heard from for 10,000 years in his big cathedral' thing.
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Jul 8, 2014 21:18
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Vadoc posted:What story was that in? I'd like to read that.. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fall_of_Sanctia
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Jul 8, 2014 21:32
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Thank you.
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Jul 8, 2014 23:00
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Cythereal posted:Magnus attacked Fenris, Perturabo was part of the 10th Black Crusade, Mortarion hosed over an Ork Waaaagh, and Lorgar supplied demonic rituals and dark lore to Abaddon for the 13th Crusade. Recent authors have been trying to get the daemon primarchs more active. whats Mortarion deal? i know he is nurgle's boy and got his poo poo pushed by a gary stu. but whats his whole story?
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Jul 9, 2014 05:07
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pengun101 posted:whats Mortarion deal? i know he is nurgle's boy and got his poo poo pushed by a gary stu. but whats his whole story? Out of all the Primarchs he is most likely to be a goon. His legion hasn't gotten their own book yet, but James Swallow is currently writing one (  ). I kind of got the impression from Scars that he is somewhat of an outcast from the other primarchs and is socially awkward. He does however loving hate psykers (no reason given yet). He is a weird one such that i can't figure out exactly what he and his legion is supposed to be parodying. But he is a champion of Nurgle so expect weird. Apparently the next Ahriman Exile book called "Ahriman: Sorcerer", but BL just released an Ahriman Exile short story: http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/ahriman-dead-oracle.html Ahriman Exile was a pretty decent 40k book, and he seems to be best buddies with ADB. So i have high hopes for him.  Also the cover art for HH: Legacies of Betrayal is out now:  UberJumper fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Jul 9, 2014 06:15
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pentyne posted:Yeah, and The Lion is on the second deepest level in stasis, and Luther is on the deepest level constantly weeping and crying over his betrayal waiting for Lion to forgive him Other way around. The deepest secret known to the Dark Angels through their chapter master is that Luthor is still alive. The secret that only the Emperor and presumably the watchers know is that the Lion is still alive and well but held in stasis. pengun101 posted:whats Mortarion deal? i know he is nurgle's boy and got his poo poo pushed by a gary stu. but whats his whole story? I don't think he's been fleshed out. I think he was originally one of the nicer, honourable primarchs like ADB's Angron who saw the Emperor as the Tyrant/foster father he had to kill as a child in order protect the greater good. Its not hard to imagine him joining Horus' Crusade to lead the Imperium in a more just and righteous direction. He even only really turns to Nurgle to save his legion.
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Jul 9, 2014 06:36
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UberJumper posted:He does however loving hate psykers (no reason given yet). I'm pretty sure Mortarion hates psykers due to the former overlords of his home planet. They were all psykers and aliens and did all sorts of horrible poo poo to humans. His origins are expanded on in the first Forge World Horus Heresy book, but that's not really something everyone can just go out and grab.
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Jul 9, 2014 07:07
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Mortarion also argued the hardest (along with Leman Russ) for the Emperor to ban the Legion Librarians. He basically says, "I didn't kill all the psykers on my world just to fight next to them in the stars."
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Jul 9, 2014 11:11
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Mortarion is odd and not really defined yet. It doesn't help that so far his longest and most outspoken appearance was in Scars, where he drops out of nowhere just to offer a duel between primarchs (because every HH book needs one), and a lame one at that. Finished Vengeful Spirit yesterday and it was an odd duck. On the one hand, the idea that Horus knew he needed to be more than a primarch to face his dad has legs. On the other, we all know how it ends, so it's a bit pointless. The whole subplot with the loyalists infiltrating the flagship was...ludicrous, and only there to add a confrontation with some emotional weight, however forced. "Marking the way for Russ"? Why not just plant a nuke in there and be done with it if they can go waltzing through the ship that way? And the odds of any markings remaining there or being useful when it'll likely be years until the next confrontation and the Sons of Horus know of the mission within a couple of hours...ugh. It feels cobbled together out of several disparate ideas for other books. And adding a storyline of Imperial Knights to the pile because hey, they are a faction now! It'd be nice to have a book that puts Horus' legion back at the forefront of the Heresy, but this one isn't it. It's basically chaos bolter porn of the bland kind: Bad guys get a bit of spotlight, fight hard and go through some pain, but prevail at the end, at the nick of time, in a somewhat contrived manner.
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Jul 9, 2014 16:44
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Yeah Mortarion's got one of the more interesting development story, where he lands on a planet with poisonous gases gathering in all but the lowest places and necromancers and sorcerers living on the peaks, except for when they come down to kill or terrorize the humans scraping a living out of the few non-poisonous places. So angron crashes down, gets adopted by the biggest necromancer, but after a few years he realizes he identifies more with the humans, so he leaves his dad and joins them, fighting off smaller necromancer armies, training an army, developing better gas masks so they can go further into the fog. It eventually culminates in a battle with his old father figure, on the highest peak with the most poisonous gases, and he finally kills him even as the poison overwhelms him. Then Emperor shows up, rescue. I always thought that if I ever made (and I won't) a planetside esque MMOFPS in 40k, I'd make a copy of that for the Death Guard's daemon world, and only the strongest fighters from there would get to became Space Marines and then travel to the other planets. I had a similar idea about the Space Wolves world. I figure it'd be a good way to limit the number of Spess Merines in the wider game, since you'd have to fight in one place till you clawed your way to the top of the pack to become a Space Marine. The rest of the players could be Guard (Lost and the Damned) fighting all over.
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Jul 9, 2014 17:08
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On somewhat of a tangent, does Lexicanum show up for everyone else as black text on a dark grey background? I can't read that without squinting like I'm 90.
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Jul 9, 2014 19:22
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Shroud posted:On somewhat of a tangent, does Lexicanum show up for everyone else as black text on a dark grey background? I can't read that without squinting like I'm 90. Yeah, it's terrible. The only thing I can think of is that they guy who picked the scheme has his monitor on some weird setting where that poo poo is actually readable.
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Jul 9, 2014 20:02
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The background is a medium grey. I've never had a problem reading it.
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Jul 9, 2014 20:50
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Ardent Communist posted:Yeah Mortarion's got one of the more interesting development story, where he lands on a planet with poisonous gases gathering in all but the lowest places and necromancers and sorcerers living on the peaks, except for when they come down to kill or terrorize the humans scraping a living out of the few non-poisonous places. So angron crashes down, gets adopted by the biggest necromancer, but after a few years he realizes he identifies more with the humans, so he leaves his dad and joins them, fighting off smaller necromancer armies, training an army, developing better gas masks so they can go further into the fog. It eventually culminates in a battle with his old father figure, on the highest peak with the most poisonous gases, and he finally kills him even as the poison overwhelms him. Then Emperor shows up, rescue. Sigh fluff that like actually adds a lot of depth to his character and explains his actions in Thousand Sons, and Scars. Yet unless you bought that super limited edition HH art book you never know that. *EDIT* Another limited release HH Novella was announced for release today: http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/the-purge-limited-edition.html Is the guy on the cover supposed to be a word bearer? All the little script seems to be a Word Bearer thing. Which makes me wonder if ADB is writing this? UberJumper fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Jul 9, 2014 21:27
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Nope, it's Anthony Reynolds that's writing it ie that guy who wrote the Word Bearers Omnibus. Reckon it'll have something to do with the Word Bearers purge he mentioned in the third book.
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Jul 9, 2014 23:51
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Is this the long fabled Ork POV book?
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Jul 10, 2014 00:22
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Read the free chapter and see?
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Jul 10, 2014 00:27
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Arquinsiel posted:Read the free chapter and see? Lazy. And also at work. But mostly 
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Jul 10, 2014 00:30
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I'm reading the sample now and this reads like REALLY lovely fan fiction
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Jul 10, 2014 02:03
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Fried Chicken posted:I'm reading the sample now and this reads like REALLY lovely fan fiction Aaaaaaaand that's why BL doesn't publish novels from an alien POV.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:10
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Fried Chicken posted:I'm reading the sample now and this reads like REALLY lovely fan fiction Hey now. Be fair. I posted an exerpt of really lovely fan fiction. It was miles ahead of this.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:33
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pengun101 posted:whats Mortarion deal? i know he is nurgle's boy and got his poo poo pushed by a gary stu. but whats his whole story? He is a complete social darwinist, very much "the strong survive and rule, the weak die in the streets". Psykers disrupt this, just as they did his homeworld (where only the hardiest survived the toxic gases and the psykers used their abilities to cheat death and dominate the strong) This translates into he and his should rule the galaxy and do as they wish, and it pisses him off that he must submit to another tyrant psyker (the Emperor) and his cohort. He thinks he is clever in using Horus as a stalking horse, but he ended up surrounded by more psykers than before and then Graham McNeil had him cheerfully killing Death Guard so he could get daemons to assist because McNeill has zero loving understanding of characters, much less character development.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:40
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Oh god that Orc novella extract, that really is terrible.
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Jul 10, 2014 11:00
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So I just finished the First Heretic and the fact the part I enjoyed the most was Ferrus Manus calling Lorgar a piece of poo poo was pretty surprising. "One wonders if you are capable of making anything that creates, rather than destroys." He tried to smile, hoping it would rob the accusation of any venom as he stood uncomfortably in the heat blaring from the open furnace. Ferrus had cast a glance over his dark-skinned shoulder and watched his fey brother for a moment, not returning the smile. "One wonders if you are capable of creating anything worthwhile at all." A 50S RAYGUN fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Jul 10, 2014 |
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Jul 10, 2014 15:03
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:So I just finished the First Heretic and the fact the part I enjoyed the most was Ferrus Manus calling Lorgar a piece of poo poo was pretty surprising. Ha! Jokes on him, Lorgar wrote the Imperial bible.
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Jul 10, 2014 16:58
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Chaos is pretty dumb.
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Jul 10, 2014 17:15
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pentyne posted:Ha! Jokes on him, Lorgar wrote the Imperial bible. And the Chaos bible. I think the Emperor could have solved the problem of Lorgar nicely by selling him on the Imperial Truth (tm) that Loken talks about in Horus Rising as a pseudo-religious creed analogous to Confucianism. Lorgar was always going to be a priest. That's quite simply who he is. That attribute could have been made useful, turning Lorgar into a powerful force for wiping away religion as the Emperor wished.
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One thing I'd much rather see than 41k is a series (maybe by one author) about how the Imperial Creed first grew. Not so much the Age of Apostasy/Thor/Vandire stuff, more the early ritualization, maybe from the perspective of someone unusually long-lived with a dog in the fight. I really hope that the Horus Heresy (or some BL sequel series) continues well past the Siege of Terra and shows the birth of the Imperium as we understand it "today." EDIT: an imperial equivalent to ADB's plans for the Black Legion series. That's what I want.
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