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MONKET posted:if the fabled samurai jack movie came out this year would anyone still give a poo poo i have never cared for samurai jack
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Jul 18, 2014 03:34
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I did when I was a kid, but it's just sorta bad when you actually pay attention to what's going on.
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Jul 18, 2014 03:36
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is this the serious thread about serious anime because this is serious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckJc2qazNkU
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Jul 18, 2014 03:42
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is that show as bad as the wikipedia summary suggests
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Jul 18, 2014 03:45
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it's anime so yes
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Jul 18, 2014 04:23
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Spacedad posted:It's gotten so awful that the legendary Hayao Miyazaki saw fit to call it out: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/131872-Hayao-Miyazaki-Anime-Suffers-Because-the-Industry-is-Full-of-Otaku this is funny bc ghibli hasn't made a good movie in like 12 years and in particular the last two miyazaki directed were total garbage
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Jul 18, 2014 04:39
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Jul 18, 2014 04:43
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What was wrong with The Wind Rises
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Jul 18, 2014 04:46
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Al Cowens posted:What was wrong with The Wind Rises
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Jul 18, 2014 04:54
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kill la kill kill la killed anime
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Jul 18, 2014 05:10
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COBRARocky posted:kill la kill kill la killed anime 
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Jul 18, 2014 05:13
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Jul 18, 2014 05:22
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MONKET posted:if the fabled samurai jack movie came out this year would anyone still give a poo poo no force on earth could get me to watch another
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Jul 18, 2014 05:32
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I remember samurai jack being really cool 10 years ago but I can't for the life of me remember if it was good or bad from a mature standpoint, but that's probably an exercise in futility anyway because you're judging what's essentially a cartoon made for children
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Jul 18, 2014 05:46
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mango gay touchies posted:I remember samurai jack being really cool 10 years ago but I can't for the life of me remember if it was good or bad from a mature standpoint, but that's probably an exercise in futility anyway because you're judging what's essentially a cartoon made for children The first season was pretty eh but later seasons were pretty cool and there are still some really good episodes that are fun no matter what age you are when watching
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Jul 18, 2014 05:52
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Spacedad posted:To be fair, aside from a few standout series, anime has been largely pretty bad lately. The industry had a great boom in the early to mid 2000s and then in the last 5-6 or so years has caved in on itself, catering mostly to otaku with un-relatable repetitive crap. Even Jojo's bizarre adventure is just an otaku pandering exercise - it's fun, but it's a hollow sugar-high rush. (And Jojos is just a faithful adaption of the 80s-90s manga.) mushi-shi? kyousougiga? chihayafuru? space dandy? fma brotherhood? tatami galaxy? like, i haven't been following anime for long, but outside of miyazaki, from where i'm standing it appears that anime has pretty much always been like this. i mean maybe the otakus are multiplying or something, but it doesn't seem to me like there's some crippling drought of good anime being made today, just lots of really bad stuff in addition. don't watch that, problem solved icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jul 18, 2014 |
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Jul 18, 2014 07:02
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icantfindaname posted:mushi-shi? kyousougiga? chihayafuru? space dandy? fma brotherhood? tatami galaxy? Like I said, there are some standout series that are exceptions to what has become the rule. Also some of those came at the tail end of the good times leading into the implosion of the industry.  Oh, and Space Dandy is fantastic, but it on the surface is reflective of otaku nostalgia. (And also, some throwbacks and spoofs of the anime created in Japan for the US during the 80s.) It's really deceptive though, because the series gets bizarrely experimental and at times heartfelt. It is pretty drat clever. Definitely an exception to the rule show. And yes, it absolutely deserves all the love it gets - especially with this surrealistic episode: http://video.adultswim.com/space-dandy/plants-are-living-things-too-baby.html  Al Cowens posted:What was wrong with The Wind Rises The Wind Rises, Miyazaki's (presumably) final film apparently, heavily pissed off the Japanese equivalent of the tea party + neo-nazis. A good movie. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Jul 18, 2014 |
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Jul 18, 2014 07:36
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Spacedad posted:The Wind Rises, Miyazaki's (presumably) final film apparently, heavily pissed off the Japanese equivalent of the tea party + neo-nazis. A good movie. during war time in a country where military service was mandatory
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Jul 18, 2014 07:49
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The Wind Rises was a good movie and I legit enjoyed Kill la Kill but I lost interest around episode 12
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Jul 18, 2014 07:51
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lol anime has always been otaku pandering i have no idea what this implosion is. all that's changed is instead of 10-15 shows per season with maybe 1 or 2 being good there's now like 30 shows per season with maybe 1 or 2 being good
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Jul 18, 2014 08:00
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Spacedad posted:Like I said, there are some standout series that are exceptions to what has become the rule. Also some of those came at the tail end of the good times leading into the implosion of the industry. you said it imploded in the mid 2000s? the oldest of the shows i mentioned came out in 2010. mushishi's second season is airing now. it doesn't seem to me like there's been any decline in the amount of good anime being made, just a much larger increase in the bad anime. and like i said, don't watch that, problem solved. and with those comments miyazaki made, i don't think miyazaki considered stuff like cowboy bebop, flcl, planetes, whatever, as good. i know the last he worked in the 'regular'/TV anime industry was the 80s. he's an angry, bitter old man who hates nazis and makes really good movies, so that's cool, but i have a feeling he would be complaining just as bad 10 years ago. also i just watched nausicaa, that's a pro watch right there. nothing like some good old leftie anti-war preaching. also holy poo poo the art and setting is good edit: Butt Frosted Cake posted:lol anime has always been otaku pandering i have no idea what this implosion is. all that's changed is instead of 10-15 shows per season with maybe 1 or 2 being good there's now like 30 shows per season with maybe 1 or 2 being good yeah this icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Jul 18, 2014 |
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Jul 18, 2014 08:01
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Mushi-shi's anime came out in 2005 and was right in the middle of the good times anime was having. I'm happy to hear it's getting a new season though.
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Jul 18, 2014 08:03
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Butt Frosted Cake posted:lol anime has always been otaku pandering i have no idea what this implosion is. all that's changed is instead of 10-15 shows per season with maybe 1 or 2 being good there's now like 30 shows per season with maybe 1 or 2 being good It has been, but not to the extent that it is now. This big issue is that a lot of creators who wanted to create more original work had been sidelined by the industry, which has been actively focusing more and more on otaku content - whereas even in those shows you list in that image, there are many that are definitely not otaku pandering. I don't even really mind otaku pandering - some of it isn't even bad at all, nerd culture being what it is. The problem is that it becomes insular and un-relatable after a while as the audience and creators really stop bringing anything original or interesting to the table. (Or as Miyazaki puts it, 'people who hate people' drawing things that have no relation to reality or human experience.) Anyway, unrelated to what I'm talking about, here's a thing I found that's pretty neat to look at for pre-Akira experimental anime artists earning their chops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xTks9BNbTc There's some pretty fantastically imaginative action segments in this too. It's probably one of the most 80s-anime of animes I've seen. Rightly so to - it's directed by Ichiro 'Missile Circus' Itano. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Jul 18, 2014 |
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Jul 18, 2014 08:07
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i'm not really sure if the growth in popularity of nerd-anime is necessarily a bad thing though. there doesn't seem to be any more artistically meritous anime than there was in 2000 but i don't think that's a situation worthy of panic or much more than mild concern, because you should always want things to improve in general. it's not like the artistic talent is being destroyed and isn't coming back, there seem to still be competent people in the industry. it just seems panicky and ridiculous to make claims like anime being dead or terrible or whatever, especially when it doesn't seem to be any less popular than it ever was
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Jul 18, 2014 08:21
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It should be taken as a wake-up-call to animators and young artists in Japan to push things in a new direction. It should also be taken as a battle-cry for western animators to maybe pick up the slack where Japanese animation has fallen. Things seem to be moving in a better direction for TV animation now in the US at least. Really though, I can't complain TOO much as the medium that is doing exactly the things I want to see more animation do right now is games. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Jul 18, 2014 |
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Jul 18, 2014 08:23
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i dont really know how to argue against originality because people could argue theres nothing new under the sun all day. but i do feel there are still people like watanabe yuasa and shinbo doing "original and interesting" stuff
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Jul 18, 2014 08:23
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Of course - it's just that the odds are rather nastily stacked against creators with originality and heart to their work right now. The talent is still there - it's the culture of the industry that needs a kick in the balls.
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Jul 18, 2014 08:27
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Spacedad posted:It should be taken as a wake-up-call to animators and young artists in Japan to push things in a new direction. well that would make sense, considering video games are a new medium and are much bigger now than they were 20 years ago. it's like if tv or movie fans started screaming "NOT GOOD ENOUGH", in response to video games existing as a medium and insisted the industry was about to flop over dead any day now in a metaphysical sense maybe we should all be screaming not good enough about everything, but i think it's OK for a medium to be established.
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Jul 18, 2014 08:29
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icantfindaname posted:well that would make sense, considering video games are a new medium and are much bigger now than they were 20 years ago. it's like if tv or movie fans started screaming "NOT GOOD ENOUGH", in response to video games existing as a medium and insisted the industry was about to flop over dead any day now Getting people to check out original and interesting art/media is a bit like getting a little kid who doesn't want anything other than he's used to eating to try something different & exotic. Once they try it, they often find they like it. The fact that you can see someone play and enjoy a game on youtube or twitch before you buy it - where you can't really do that for TV/movies - is something unique to the medium and it's resulted in a lot of surprise hits out of very original and interesting games. It doesn't require the effort of a demo, and a well-liked youtuber can often show off what makes a game worth playing rather better than playing a demo could. I personally think this is one of the biggest reasons why we've seen a huge boom of very original and creative content in the games industry now. It makes me wonder how the business model for animation could also evolve. quote:
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Jul 18, 2014 08:36
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Spacedad posted:Getting people to check out original and interesting art/media is a bit like getting a little kid who doesn't want anything other than he's used to eating to try something different & exotic. Once they try it, they often find they like it. So what you're saying...is...that anime is good?
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Jul 18, 2014 09:04
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Matoi Ryuko posted:So what you're saying...is...that anime is good? Yes, but it could be way better. Maybe digital distribution around the world will wind up creating a new boom that kicks Japan out of its stagnation. (With other countries also kicking off similar booms.) The flipside danger of this is what you are seeing in the rise of broad-appeal mass-market movies that are making huge money but slowly killing the movie business as a whole.
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Jul 18, 2014 09:08
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Jul 18, 2014 09:09
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anime......... is bad
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Jul 18, 2014 09:10
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ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA
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Jul 18, 2014 09:10
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what did dr stench tell him
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Jul 18, 2014 09:11
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memes work exactly like genes and incest is really bad
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Jul 18, 2014 09:23
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Butt Frosted Cake posted:but i do feel there are still people like watanabe yuasa doing "original and interesting" stuff Ping Pong is really good
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Jul 18, 2014 09:27
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quakster posted:memes work exactly like genes and incest is really bad 
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Jul 18, 2014 09:28
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:anime......... is bad Counterpoint: anime is good
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