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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Yeah the "oh most Americans are too racist to care" reaction is laughably idiotic and borderline racist itself. Especially in the absence of anyone actually saying "so what, they're Muslim". Ah man rednecks aren't going to care about this. And therefore, neither do I.
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Sure the CIA spied on the Senate Intelligence Committee, but to be fair, it looks like someone on the Committee was trying to do their job by reviewing CIA documents, so no harm no foul, both sides are to blame, the truth is in the middle, boys will be boys, says the Justice Department.
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# ? Jul 10, 2014 19:59 |
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One can't help but suspect that the reason these ostensible lefties are so non-interested in a story about illegal racist discrimination is that they were really hoping to be validated as relevant by they or their leaders being the targets of government surveillance.
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# ? Jul 10, 2014 23:21 |
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Tezzor posted:One can't help but suspect that the reason these ostensible lefties are so non-interested in a story about illegal racist discrimination is that they were really hoping to be validated as relevant by they or their leaders being the targets of government surveillance. Or it's because unlike when these stories first broke they were front page news on everything from the New York Times to Yahoo! and unfortunately the current revelations have been largely ignored. But sure, those speculating that the lack of reaction is because this country is full of racists are the real racists.
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# ? Jul 11, 2014 00:51 |
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Winkle-Daddy posted:Or it's because unlike when these stories first broke they were front page news on everything from the New York Times to Yahoo! and unfortunately the current revelations have been largely ignored. But sure, those speculating that the lack of reaction is because this country is full of racists are the real racists. They are not just disappointed because no one will care, if the list was a bunch of radical commies and environmentalists the general population wouldn't care either. They are disappointed because they fantasized about being validated by oppression.
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# ? Jul 11, 2014 00:57 |
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I'm also just not surprised at all.
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# ? Jul 11, 2014 00:58 |
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Tezzor posted:They are not just disappointed because no one will care, if the list was a bunch of radical commies and environmentalists the general population wouldn't care either. They are disappointed because they fantasized about being validated by oppression. I think most of us who are disappointed (though I can only speak definitively about myself) are disappointed because we had hoped for politicians and judges to be named; we wanted those making the laws to be targeted by what they had authorized so that maybe, just maybe there would be motivation for real change. We were optimistic because of how Greenwald had talked up this story. Hopefully there will be more. Assuming a huge number of Americans give zero fucks about many minority groups is an unfortunate but safe assumption.
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# ? Jul 11, 2014 01:11 |
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Yup, pre release, everyone itt was hoping it'd cover surveillance of sufficiently powerful public figures that people would give a poo poo about.
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# ? Jul 11, 2014 01:20 |
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Tezzor posted:They are not just disappointed because no one will care, if the list was a bunch of radical commies and environmentalists the general population wouldn't care either. They are disappointed because they fantasized about being validated by oppression. Or maybe I wanted better assurances that the government isn't violating rights guaranteed by the 4th amendment even in the absence of oppression. Seeing as how I fit the NSA's description of suspicious foreigner (I'm a linux & TOR user, who frequents "suspicious" websites, has a foreign sounding name, and a foreign born wife, who makes frequent overseas calls to places including the middle east) my expectation that they'll respect those rights is zero. But thanks for the condescension, it's much appreciated.
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# ? Jul 11, 2014 01:45 |
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size1one posted:Or maybe I wanted better assurances that the government isn't violating rights guaranteed by the 4th amendment even in the absence of oppression. Seeing as how I fit the NSA's description of suspicious foreigner (I'm a linux & TOR user, who frequents "suspicious" websites, has a foreign sounding name, and a foreign born wife, who makes frequent overseas calls to places including the middle east) my expectation that they'll respect those rights is zero. But thanks for the condescension, it's much appreciated. I speak German..maybe they need some replacement spies about now ! "Earnest" White House Press Secretary posted:MR. EARNEST: Well, Julie, it’s precisely because we do take these intelligence matters and reports related to purported intelligence matters into our broader national security very seriously that I’m not in a position to comment on them. Again, any sort of comment on any purported intelligence activity would place at risk U.S. assets, U.S. personnel, and the United States’ national security. So I’m just not in a position to comment on it. CIA Station chief booted from Germany, 2 spies arrested, and Germany re-thinking that "Do not spy on each other" agreement. A variety of levels indeed, Mister Earnest.
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# ? Jul 11, 2014 02:32 |
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/11/the-ultimate-goal-of-the-nsa-is-total-population-controlquote:At least 80% of all audio calls, not just metadata, are recorded and stored in the US, says whistleblower William Binney
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# ? Jul 11, 2014 17:51 |
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Dum Cumpster posted:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/11/the-ultimate-goal-of-the-nsa-is-total-population-control
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# ? Jul 11, 2014 19:27 |
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/snowden-nsa-employees-routinely-pass-around-intercepted-nude-photos/quote:
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# ? Jul 19, 2014 16:56 |
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There was also the UK rushing through a new spying legislation, acronym DRIP, through, as well as the attorney general of Australia proposing much the same, as well as the potential criminalization of "Snowden-style" leaks. But that's just depressing.
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# ? Jul 19, 2014 18:29 |
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Edward Snowden and Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, are going to have a live talk in a few minutes. Thought some of you might be interested. Live stream here.
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# ? Jul 19, 2014 19:22 |
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Broken Machine posted:http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/snowden-nsa-employees-routinely-pass-around-intercepted-nude-photos/ What all of this proves to me is that the government is masterful at damage control.. I mean, in basically a year, it has been more-or-less proven that the NSA spys on virtually everyone and goes so far to spy on non-'targets' at their most intimate times. Yet here we are, and no one really cares. You know what, maybe all of these releases and 'leaks' were just a test to see just how docile the US population is What does it take for people to say 'This isn't worth it'?
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# ? Jul 19, 2014 21:35 |
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Dr.Caligari posted:You know what, maybe all of these releases and 'leaks' were just a test to see just how docile the US population is What does it take for people to say 'This isn't worth it'? Starvation, but by then it would be too late.
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# ? Jul 19, 2014 21:43 |
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Broken Machine posted:http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/snowden-nsa-employees-routinely-pass-around-intercepted-nude-photos/ http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jul/17/edward-snowden-video-interview Article: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/-sp-edward-snowden-interview-rusbridger-macaskill
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# ? Jul 19, 2014 21:48 |
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Everyone (radio hosts, forums users, persons on the street) keeps saying that it'll be too late when more people are starving, but hasn't it been too late for like a decade now? The proletariat (or even what's left of the middle class) can't even coordinate against Capital because the latter spies on literally all of the former's electronic communications literally all the time, and any pocket (say, <10000) resistance can be put down insanely quickly with an irresponsibly-loud noise beam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device) or a device that can microwave protestors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System) (that's actually why I typed into Google). I don't really have a point except that things can only get worse and no number of people can fight a literal war machine, or several. Edit: I don't have the slightest clue how to put links in text, the HTML tags I learned in primary school did nothing. Edit2: To say nothing of how even 1000 personnel would even move about without getting picked off several at a time by plain old jackbooted stormtroopers. Tubgoat fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jul 19, 2014 |
# ? Jul 19, 2014 22:43 |
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Wrong thread?
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# ? Jul 20, 2014 00:38 |
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An old (2012ish) list of some internet tools used by NSA and GCHQ has been released. I copied specific lines which caught my eye, and bolding is my emphasis. The Intercept posted:
quote:Don't treat this like a catalogue. If you don't see it here, it doesn't mean we can't build it. but really theres a ton more in their list I just couldn't understand or were bland. treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Jul 20, 2014 |
# ? Jul 20, 2014 01:41 |
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I wonder what would happen if you made a big microwave reflector and put it in front of one of those protestor microwaves.
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# ? Jul 20, 2014 03:05 |
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Sudo Echo posted:I wonder what would happen if you made a big microwave reflector and put it in front of one of those protestor microwaves. I think mattresses have been the counter-measure of choice so far. I had never heard about the Raytheon-developed Silent Guardian version before though, that's kind of freaky.
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# ? Jul 20, 2014 03:16 |
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quote:*HONEYPOTS AND SHAPING* gently caress you, NSA. Creating what are essentially phishing websites masquerading as legitimate companies (with privacy policies that presumably outright lie) undermines the trust required for the internet to function. These websites would be useless if they weren't well known, so combined with the capability to automate boosting website rankings and spreading propaganda over social media, I wouldn't be surprised if the most well known hosting/proxy services were NSA run. multiupload.com? imgur? hidemyass? Again, gently caress you.
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# ? Jul 20, 2014 03:19 |
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quote:CHANGELING - Ability to spoof any email address and send email under that identity. These two are the most alarming to me. You could permanently ruin an innocent persons reputation/life using these.. And what could that person say? "I didn't do it"? "The government did it"? Thats hosed.
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# ? Jul 20, 2014 04:57 |
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one of them is called SPACE ROCKET tho
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# ? Jul 20, 2014 05:02 |
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Dr.Caligari posted:These two are the most alarming to me. You could permanently ruin an innocent persons reputation/life using these.. And what could that person say? "I didn't do it"? "The government did it"? To be fair spoofing email is actually insanely easy to do.
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# ? Jul 20, 2014 05:27 |
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Edit ^^ BeatenDr.Caligari posted:These two are the most alarming to me. You could permanently ruin an innocent persons reputation/life using these.. And what could that person say? "I didn't do it"? "The government did it"? Spoofing email is trivial. You're trusting whatever mail server that sent the email to tell the truth. If you're sending a message important enough that people need to know it comes from you, it should be digitally signed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signature KillHour fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jul 20, 2014 |
# ? Jul 20, 2014 05:28 |
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News that Glenn Greenwald is coming to New Zealand to speak on the 15th next month is making some waves here.
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# ? Jul 20, 2014 05:47 |
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Jacobin posted:News that Glenn Greenwald is coming to New Zealand to speak on the 15th next month is making some waves here. If Greenwald got arrested in New Zealand for spilling Five Eyes secrets I'd laugh my rear end off, since there's statutory, rather than constitutional press freedom guarantees. Plus Key strikes me as the kind of sycophant to do this if the US State Department asked him to. See the bullshit surrounding Kim Dotcom. (who does deserve to pay a massive fine, but I think jail is excessive)
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# ? Jul 20, 2014 06:07 |
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This seems like a strange thing to have lied about. Edit: VVV I wasn't asking anyone to believe the link, I meant that it seemed like such a pointless thing to lie about it can't possibly be true. Also quote:BODY-LANGUAGE EXPERT: I Would Not Trust Anything Snowden Said To NBC Winkle-Daddy fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Jul 21, 2014 |
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e: ^ohhh I understand you now, sorry for my confusion! Winkle-Daddy posted:This seems like a strange thing to have lied about. Huh, lets look at some other articles Mr. Kelly wrote. I only went back as far back as March, these are just some of his articles against Snowden. Russian Security Expert: Snowden Is Leaving Out Key Details About Russian Spies Approaching Him Two Top Cold War Spies Made The Same Troubling Prediction About Edward Snowden BODY-LANGUAGE EXPERT: I Would Not Trust Anything Snowden Said To NBC One Crucial Party Has Disappeared From Snowden's Story A Former Obama Cabinet Official Made The Strongest Snowden Allegation Yet Edward Snowden Says The US Stranded Him In Russia — Here Are 4 Problems With That Claim WikiLeaks Blew A Big Hole In The Snowden Narrative [Picture of Snowden] Russia's New Ability To Evade NSA Surveillance Is Either A Crazy Coincidence Or Something Much Worse Snowden Has One Very Important And Potentially Devastating Question To Answer One Simple Thing Snowden Can Do To Silence Critics (lol) Mr. Edward Epstein's writings are used as the basis for a few of these as well. I'm going to wait for better information before I'll believe your link, sorry. treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Jul 21, 2014 |
# ? Jul 21, 2014 00:33 |
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People seem to be burying the lead that the government is using programs named after X-Men characters. How long until Operation Magneto?
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# ? Jul 21, 2014 14:26 |
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tentative8e8op posted:Mr. Edward Epstein's writings are used as the basis for a few of these as well. I'm going to wait for better information before I'll believe your link, sorry. There's another equally good argument in this he-said-she-said situation: What does Snowden stand to gain from lying about this? If true, it hurts his credibility, for some vague indescript gain (I guess we're supposed to think he was shopping his goods to various state actors?). In other words, Snowden gains basically nothing from lying other than making him look more "patriotic". Meanwhile the CIA gets to further muddy the water and discredit Snowden if they are lying. I think the motives speak for themselves and the liar is obvious.
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# ? Jul 21, 2014 15:28 |
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Looks like I get to post this one: Blacklisted: The Secret Government Rulebook for Labeling You a Terrorist Looks like Firstlook is publishing an analysis of the 166-page document laying out the government's process for putting people on lists. Totally uncorroborated Facebook/Twitter posts look like enough to get you put on a list somewhere! Yee haw! e: We've got profiling! quote:While the nomination process appears methodical on paper, in practice there is a shortcut around the entire system. Known as a “threat-based expedited upgrade,” it gives a single White House official the unilateral authority to elevate entire “categories of people” whose names appear in the larger databases onto the no fly or selectee lists. This can occur, the guidelines state, when there is a “particular threat stream” indicating that a certain type of individual may commit a terrorist act. Chavistas vindicated? quote:The list of government entities that collect this data includes the U.S. Agency for International Development, which is neither an intelligence nor law-enforcement agency. As the rulebook notes, USAID funds foreign aid programs that promote environmentalism, health care, and education. USAID, which presents itself as committed to fighting global poverty, nonetheless appears to serve as a conduit for sensitive intelligence about foreigners. According to the guidelines, “When USAID receives an application seeking financial assistance, prior to granting, these applications are subject to vetting by USAID intelligence analysts at the TSC.” The guidelines do not disclose the volume of names provided by USAID, the type of information it provides, or the number and duties of the “USAID intelligence analysts.” DOCTOR ZIMBARDO fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Jul 24, 2014 |
# ? Jul 24, 2014 04:11 |
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What was fun about this was that if multiple agencies had placed you on a list, and you challenged it, they all had to agree to take you off. Incredibly easy to get on, incredibly hard to get off. Like the guy who had been fingered for being everything from the Zodiac Killer to the Unabomber.
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# ? Jul 26, 2014 01:28 |
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Aurubin posted:What was fun about this was that if multiple agencies had placed you on a list, and you challenged it, they all had to agree to take you off. Incredibly easy to get on, incredibly hard to get off. Like the guy who had been fingered for being everything from the Zodiac Killer to the Unabomber. I had hoped the lesson the government would learn from the Richard Jewell debacle wouldn't be "make all the evidence secret so they totally can't sue us even if after the fact all our actions are exposed."
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# ? Jul 26, 2014 05:31 |
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Aurubin posted:What was fun about this was that if multiple agencies had placed you on a list, and you challenged it, they all had to agree to take you off. Incredibly easy to get on, incredibly hard to get off. Like the guy who had been fingered for being everything from the Zodiac Killer to the Unabomber.
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# ? Jul 26, 2014 05:34 |
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Greenwald's bringing the heat:The Intercept posted:
For those of you more plugged into the MSM than I am, what's your sense of the penetration on this stuff?
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# ? Jul 26, 2014 13:49 |