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US Pol August: Dueling Pizza Metaphors all the way down
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Jul 22, 2014 18:14
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I was gonna post the pizza line, it's amazing. Now we need a pizza analogy emote.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:15
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zoux posted:If you're a Warren fan I don't know why you'd want her to run and get shredded by the Hillary "It's Officially My Turn" Political Machine. Because she'll be too old to run 8 years from now, and generally the Warren fans tend to see Hillary's support as broad but weak.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:17
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Crows Turn Off posted:Here's the deal: I'm retarded when it comes to all this court stuff. The 4th circuit upheld them and the appeals court ruled against them. Why is the 4th circuit ruling better than the appeals court ruling? Does it help with the case against the appeals court ruling? Simplifying matters: The federal court system has three layers: district court, circuit court, and the supreme court. Each district and circuit court has particular geographic jurisdiction. The two relevant courts today, the 4th Circuit and the DC Circuit cover, for the purposes of the litigation at issue, Virginia and DC respectively. Both the 4th Circuit (ACA subsidies are ok) and the DC Circuit (ACA subsidies are not OK) are appeals courts. They reached conflicting decisions. Ordinarily, if circuit courts disagree, this is usually a sign that if the case were appealed to the Supreme Court from either (or both) of them, the Supreme Court would hear the appeal to ensure that the law is uniform across the country. However, appeal to the Supreme Court is not the only avenue of appeal from a Circuit Court decision. Circuit Court appeals are heard by randomly selected panels of three judges from the judges in the circuit (with particular exceptions involving senior judges and occasionally district court judges sitting on a panel). Decisions by a three-judge panel are capable of being appealed to an en banc panel, which is typically all of the active judges in the circuit (9th Circuit notwithstanding: they have too many judges to have them all in en banc, so they randomly choose a 11-judge panel).
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Jul 22, 2014 18:19
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So the articles I'm reading now concede that there are two conflicting rulings on the matter but the headlines remain "COURTS DEAL BIG BLOW TO DUMBASS OBAMAS DUMBASS HEALTHCARE PLAN".
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Jul 22, 2014 18:22
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Beamed posted:Neither one matters because it's almost certainly going to the full DC Court next. How much money are all these horseshit lawsuits costing? I wonder how many people we could insure with it?
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Jul 22, 2014 18:26
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Simplifying matters:
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Jul 22, 2014 18:30
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Fried Chicken posted:Run Liz Run “I think she will be an extremely attractive candidate for Democratic voters in 2016,” Representative Michele Bachmann, a Minnesota Republican who ran for president in 2012 as a hero of Tea Party voters, said on CNN. “If I was Mrs. Clinton, I would be extremely concerned with what I see.” I'm reasonably sure that the best course of action for Democrats is the opposite of anything Bachmann publicly advocates.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:31
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BiggerBoat posted:How much money are all these horseshit lawsuits costing? I wonder how many people we could insure with it? Poly Sci graduate students are going to have mountains of research for theses about the tea party era and how much money was wasted fighting big government bloat.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:31
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I know who is really happy about the pizza thing
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Jul 22, 2014 18:33
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zoux posted:So the articles I'm reading now concede that there are two conflicting rulings on the matter but the headlines remain "COURTS DEAL BIG BLOW TO DUMBASS OBAMAS DUMBASS HEALTHCARE PLAN". Gotta have that conflict narrative
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Jul 22, 2014 18:41
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Nate RFB posted:If there was not a conflicting ruling elsewhere, theoretically would the next step up for a district court ruling be SCOTUS? For example, the various SSM bans being struck down in district courts presumably are going to be heard at SCOTUS next and not the circuit court from today. It's just the circuit court where this sort of secondary system that can get invoked before heading to SCOTUS because of the judge selection process for the appeals? No. The only appeals that the Supreme Court hears are from Circuit Court (and state supreme court) decisions.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:44
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His long will it take to get an en banc decision?
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Jul 22, 2014 18:53
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The most depressing part of this whole thing is that the plaintiff is a man from West Virginia who makes about $20k per year. Thanks to the ACA, he can get healthcare for $21 per year (that is not a typo). And he was convinced by wealthy interests to sue so that he can remain uninsured, because, you know, reasons. Burn it all.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:56
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Fried Chicken posted:Gotta have that conflict narrative I've been keeping an eye on the USA Today article and it's been evolving quite a bit since the second ruling. Problem is all these sites had their articles fully written with the first ruling coming out, and now have to go and either A) blow it all out and write a new story from scratch B) update and rewrite the existing article, shoehorning new info in If they're going with option B, it's still gonna have that original framework of OH poo poo OBAMACARE JUST DONE GOT hosed UP... at least with the initial updates. In the case of the USAT article I've been monitoring, it's pulling further and further away from that original framework with each update.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:57
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Sub Par posted:The most depressing part of this whole thing is that the plaintiff is a man from West Virginia who makes about $20k per year. Thanks to the ACA, he can get healthcare for $21 per year (that is not a typo). And he was convinced by wealthy interests to sue so that he can remain uninsured, because, you know, reasons. Burn it all. Well you see one day when he unaccountably becomes rich he'll be glad he filed this suit.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:58
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zoux posted:So the articles I'm reading now concede that there are two conflicting rulings on the matter but the headlines remain "COURTS DEAL BIG BLOW TO DUMBASS OBAMAS DUMBASS HEALTHCARE PLAN". To some extent, this is accurate since as far as reviews of statutes/administrative decisions go, the DC Circuit holds more weight than the 4th. (Not as a matter of law, just as a matter of influence/respect.)
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Jul 22, 2014 19:03
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https://news.yahoo.com/border-sheriffs-perplexed-rick-perrys-plan-send-1-142109129.html I love when the political pressure of all these dickhead yankee and Deep South immigrants pressuring Texas to obey their lily white will meets the reality of multi-generational Texans: https://news.yahoo.com/border-sheriffs-perplexed-rick-perrys-plan-send-1-142109129.html quote:“I don’t know what good they can do,” Cameron County Sheriff Omar Lucio told the Dallas Morning News. “You just can’t come out here and be a police officer.” Lucio and other sheriffs said they weren't consulted before Perry's announcement and, in Lucio's opinion, the police and Border Patrol agents were handling the small uptick in crime. "At this time, a lot of people do things for political reasons. I don’t know that it helps,” Lucio said.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:10
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iamnotcreative posted:Not exactly Texas, but this will probably cause a bit of a right wing freakout +14 and the top rated comment.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:14
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Jul 22, 2014 19:15
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^LmaoMr Ice Cream Glove posted:I know who is really happy about the pizza thing Man, Godfather pizza used to be good before he took over. 
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Jul 22, 2014 19:16
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  Rick Perry defending our borders, or is this Nam?
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Jul 22, 2014 19:29
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Geez Rick how can you shoot literal children crossing the border?
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Jul 22, 2014 19:31
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zoux posted:Geez Rick how can you shoot literal children crossing the border? Easy, you just don't lead as much.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:34
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zoux posted:Geez Rick how can you shoot literal children crossing the border? Easy zoux, ya just don't lead them so much. Ain't the GOP hell?
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Jul 22, 2014 19:36
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Isnt that a .50 caliber gun.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:37
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Easy, you just don't lead as much.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:38
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Easy, you just don't lead as much. Full Battle Rattle posted:Easy zoux, ya just don't lead them so much. For the record, we also would have accepted variations on "any who run are VC, any who stand still are well disciplined VC."
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Jul 22, 2014 19:38
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Also boo you if you were quoting FMJ but yay you if you were quoting Dispatches.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:38
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Captain_Maclaine posted:For the record, we also would have accepted variations on "any who run are VC, any who stand still are well disciplined VC."
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Jul 22, 2014 19:41
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ReindeerF posted:Venture Capitalists? I'm not sure whether transplanting FMJ from Vietnam to Wall Street would ruin it, or make it amazing.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:44
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iamnotcreative posted:Not exactly Texas, but this will probably cause a bit of a right wing freakout The other comments are absolute delights. I love how fervently they condemn Obama for aiding Wall Street, yet are...you know, extremely right-wing.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:46
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Sub Par posted:The most depressing part of this whole thing is that the plaintiff is a man from West Virginia who makes about $20k per year. Thanks to the ACA, he can get healthcare for $21 per year (that is not a typo). And he was convinced by wealthy interests to sue so that he can remain uninsured, because, you know, reasons. Burn it all. Jesus loving Christ.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:53
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Majorian posted:The other comments are absolute delights. I love how fervently they condemn Obama for aiding Wall Street, yet are...you know, extremely right-wing. The only moral capitalism is my capitalism. Jesus, Toledo1488 is at +18 now.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:57
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I'm curious of the break down of up-voters that are in on the joke, literal Nazis, or people that don't realize they are agreeing with Nazis but are still incredibly racist.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:59
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WarEternal posted:Jesus loving Christ. My sister is poor and lives in Connecticut. She complains about taxes constantly. She qualifies for the expanded Medicaid but won't go through the hassle of getting on it. She hasn't seen a primary care physician or specialist since high school. She owes $1200 dollars to an ER. She's a registered Republican. THIS IS ARE COUNTRY.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:59
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Radish posted:I'm curious of the break down of up-voters that are in on the joke, literal Nazis, or people that don't realize they are agreeing with Nazis but are still incredibly racist. Hey look, another example of Poe's Law in action!  Aurubin posted:My sister is poor and lives in Connecticut. She complains about taxes constantly. She qualifies for the expanded Medicaid but won't go through the hassle of getting on it. She hasn't seen a primary care physician or specialist since high school. She owes $1200 dollars to an ER. She's a registered Republican. THIS IS ARE COUNTRY. Is it mainly a pride thing for her, or is she just incredibly ideologically indoctrinated? (or lazy, that would work too)
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Jul 22, 2014 20:01
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Aurubin posted:My sister is poor and lives in Connecticut. She complains about taxes constantly. She qualifies for the expanded Medicaid but won't go through the hassle of getting on it. She hasn't seen a primary care physician or specialist since high school. She owes $1200 dollars to an ER. She's a registered Republican. THIS IS ARE COUNTRY. All poor Republicans are culture warriors who don't understand the issues they espouse.
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Jul 22, 2014 20:02
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Majorian posted:The other comments are absolute delights. I love how fervently they condemn Obama for aiding Wall Street, yet are...you know, extremely right-wing. That comment section added another entry to the Obummer vocabulary: OweBaMao
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Jul 22, 2014 20:03
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Sub Par posted:The most depressing part of this whole thing is that the plaintiff is a man from West Virginia who makes about $20k per year. Thanks to the ACA, he can get healthcare for $21 per year (that is not a typo). And he was convinced by wealthy interests to sue so that he can remain uninsured, because, you know, reasons. Burn it all. Can you source this? I'd love to read more edit: was it this? http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/07/22/obamacare_subsidies_struck_down_ironically_the_ruling_is_a_great_advertisement.html Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jul 22, 2014 |
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Jul 22, 2014 20:05
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