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Americanization facilities has a certain ring to it:quote:Congresswoman Michele Bachmann has offered up a new solution to the humanitarian crisis along the US/ Mexico border, where tens of thousands of unaccompanied illegal immigrant children are currently being detained. And now she’s calling on President Barack Obama to help push forward a bipartisan effort to see her idea become a reality.
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comes along bort posted:Americanization facilities has a certain ring to it: So Bachmann is trying to emulate Australia (except with more sympathy towards the migrants because they can become citizens too).
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Jul 27, 2014 19:17
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comes along bort posted:Americanization facilities has a certain ring to it: I mean, either that, or her and a lot of politicians straight up forgot their entire childhood, or it got overwritten by their own propaganda or something. Either way, poor bastards.
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Jul 27, 2014 19:21
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comes along bort posted:Americanization facilities has a certain ring to it: Bachmann wants to round up the undesirables and put them into labor camps, concentrating them, if you will. Should we ask what she'll do with those too sick or weak to do labor? It's a good thing Bachmann isn't against re-education camps or camps where people will be "volunteered" to do government work, and tried to use the same idea as a fearmonger tactic 5 years ago. Yup.
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Jul 27, 2014 19:22
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Randalor posted:It's a good thing Bachmann isn't against re-education camps or camps where people will be "volunteered" to do government work, and tried to use the same idea as a fearmonger tactic 5 years ago. Yup. E: it's satire Dr.Zeppelin fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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Jul 27, 2014 19:24
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Agents are GO! posted:As I understand it, cryptofacism is basically "thinking fascists are evil while simultaneously holding values that are perfectly in line with fascism." I was being sardonic but yeah I don't get how someone pulls that out of being pro-capitalism.
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Jul 27, 2014 19:27
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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comes along bort posted:Americanization facilities has a certain ring to it: Everything old is new again.
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Jul 27, 2014 20:26
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So, the Boehner lawsuit. Is there a dedicated thread for that or are we just waiting for more to develop? The fundraising emails have been floating the idea that the lawsuit will open the door for impeachment and I don't see how it won't. Impeachment is exactly the mechanism designed to remedy these disputes between the legislative and executive branches. Isn't that likely what any court would conclude.
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Jul 27, 2014 20:29
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Samurai Sanders posted:Poor Michelle. I guess her parents didn't let her watch cartoons or read comics as a kid, so she doesn't know how much she sounds like a villain from one of them. Sounds like her and Newt brainstormed out this idea. The idea of child labor from white children is too taboo, so we'll make immigrant children do it until they are old enough to go to war for us. It's not slavery, it's simply indentured servitude.
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Jul 27, 2014 20:30
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DeusExMachinima posted:I was being sardonic but yeah I don't get how someone pulls that out of being pro-capitalism. Randian supermen are the first to say they should be able to dictate the every day lives of the poor. Because they are successful (and rich), they should have control. It amounts to fascism, despite lip-service to the free market principles that supposedly value autonomy.
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Jul 27, 2014 20:31
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This isn't the idiots on facebook thread, but I just posted that Michele Bachmann article and well...
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Jul 27, 2014 20:32
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Great_Gerbil posted:So, the Boehner lawsuit. Is there a dedicated thread for that or are we just waiting for more to develop?
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Jul 27, 2014 20:33
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:This isn't the idiots on facebook thread, but I just posted that Michele Bachmann article and well... As far as I'm concerned, children have a full time job...well, two full time jobs: learning and playing. Putting them in a forced labor camp is just inhumane.
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Jul 27, 2014 20:42
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This story is from the National Report. It's satirical.
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Jul 27, 2014 20:48
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comes along bort posted:Americanization facilities has a certain ring to it: poo poo like this is why it makes me mad when people try to claim that Republicans aren't evil, just misguided.
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Jul 27, 2014 20:52
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:This story is from the National Report. It's satirical. edit: and it's not sourced or anything. I'm from academia so I don't know how news agencies treat this, but don't you get disciplined for that at least? Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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Jul 27, 2014 20:59
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:This isn't the idiots on facebook thread, but I just posted that Michele Bachmann article and well...  In Canada, "residential school" is synonymous with "genocidal torture centre". Does the term have some other meaning in the US?
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Jul 27, 2014 21:00
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:This story is from the National Report. It's satirical. Rather telling that we can't tell the difference anymore.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:01
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:
The US, as far as I know (and I may be wrong), never really went for the "take native children away from their families and brainwash them" thing. The American approach was more straightforward violence and then neglect and marginalization when white people didn't want their land.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:08
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Cythereal posted:The US, as far as I know (and I may be wrong), never really went for the "take native children away from their families and brainwash them" thing. The American approach was more straightforward violence and then neglect and marginalization when white people didn't want their land. We generally adopt native children to white families through the Department of Children And Families, even if an adequate family member is available. It's part neglect, to start with, but when the native parents are too poor to afford to care for their children, DCF comes in and takes the kids away from the reservation. Generations of native children have been Americanized this way.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:20
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Indian Schools started right before Civil Rights so... 
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Jul 27, 2014 21:21
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My mistake, then. Learned something new.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:24
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BiggerBoat posted:Rather telling that we can't tell the difference anymore. This is exactly what conservatives say when they show up on literallyunbelievable for thinking that the Onion article about Obama's abortionplex is real.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:25
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:This story is from the National Report. It's satirical. eta Dr.Zeppelin posted:This is exactly what conservatives say when they show up on literallyunbelievable for thinking that the Onion article about Obama's abortionplex is real. T. Bombastus fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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Jul 27, 2014 21:28
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T. Bombastus posted:Is there a point to this style of "satire" beyond a self-satisfied gotcha! when it ends up on some gullible local news site? The National Report presents itself as a legitimate news source, the only difference is that all of its articles are false. No, it's literally a tabloid.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:33
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T. Bombastus posted:Is there a point to this style of "satire" beyond a self-satisfied gotcha! when it ends up on some gullible local news site? The National Report presents itself as a legitimate news source, the only difference is that all of its articles are false. Why does it matter how TNR presents itself? Everyone here got suckered in by second-hand reporting of it and didn't even think to go to the source. This is the exact same thing that happens when conservatives get suckered in by Facebook reposts of Facebook reposts of Duffel Blog or Daily Currant articles and the reaction is always "ha ha stupid Republicans can't even be bothered to do the minimal amount of homework needed to see if this is even true". If all you're going off of is second-hand information, the information is only as genuine as the second-hand source presents itself.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:34
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:Why does it matter how TNR presents itself? Everyone here got suckered in by second-hand reporting of it and didn't even think to go to the source. edit: vvv oh wow, they put more effort into it than I thought. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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Jul 27, 2014 21:36
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There is a real KCTV station in Kansas City, but it's KCTV5, not 7. That fake news site is really impressive at first glance, it fooled me until I dug deeper and found articles about the government spending $2.2 million to study why lesbians are fat and Michelle Obama getting a school to ban Chick fil-A. How the real KCTV hasn't C+D'd or sued this site out of existence is beyond me.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:37
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^^ See, neither of those articles would be out of place in a wingnut rag.Dr.Zeppelin posted:Why does it matter how TNR presents itself? Everyone here got suckered in by second-hand reporting of it and didn't even think to go to the source. Except TNR is indistinguishable from a tabloid unless you're actively looking for evidence of satire.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:39
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:^^ See, neither of those articles would be out of place in a wingnut rag. But again, if no one actually goes to TNR to see what it looks like, it doesn't matter. The thought process is always "wow, [site I haven't seen before or otherwise have no reason to be skeptical of] is reporting something that confirms my beliefs, better not do any follow up on it." Sure, the Onion/Daily Currant/Duffelblog/etc. look way more obviously satirical if you go to any of those sites, but if all you're looking at is a second-hand reference to the story, it doesn't matter how it's presented on the original site. E: And I fell for it too, I'm not going to pretend I was too smart not to. It's good to have an occasional reminder to not be intellectually lazy if you're going to claim the intellectual high ground. Dr.Zeppelin fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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Jul 27, 2014 21:44
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Ballz posted:There is a real KCTV station in Kansas City, but it's KCTV5, not 7. That fake news site is really impressive at first glance, it fooled me until I dug deeper and found articles about the government spending $2.2 million to study why lesbians are fat and Michelle Obama getting a school to ban Chick fil-A. How the real KCTV hasn't C+D'd or sued this site out of existence is beyond me. Because satire isn't illegal and the satire site isn't doing anything like outright duplicating the TV channel's layout?
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Jul 27, 2014 21:55
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Evil Fluffy posted:Because satire isn't illegal and the satire site isn't doing anything like outright duplicating the TV channel's layout? I would think that a case could be made when they're using their call letters and claiming to be a Kansas City TV station.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:58
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:This story is from the National Report. It's satirical. Awww.. crap. I was picturing a nice wrought iron gate with "Trabajo os hace libres" in a decorative arch over it. (Yes, yes, I used Google Translate - sorry)
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Jul 27, 2014 22:32
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Good news for Republicans: 53% of Americans agree with Ann Romney that they should have voted for Romney in 2012.
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Jul 27, 2014 22:37
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MrUnderbridge posted:Awww.. crap. Yeah, a Latin American would never say "os." It'd be something like "Trabajo se hace libre"
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Jul 27, 2014 22:38
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:Why does it matter how TNR presents itself? Everyone here got suckered in by second-hand reporting of it and didn't even think to go to the source. There's an appreciable difference between falling for The Onion and falling for TNR. A cursory comparison of front page headlines makes it clear that the former is a humor website utilizing the framework of a news organization, whereas the latter is to all appearances a legitimate source. The person most guilty of intellectual laziness here is the article writer who thinks deadpan deception is effective satire.
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Jul 27, 2014 22:46
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Evil Fluffy posted:Because satire isn't illegal and the satire site isn't doing anything like outright duplicating the TV channel's layout? Satire is fine, using a station's call letters may be problematic. Just like I couldn't create a parody newspaper called "The New York Times"
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Jul 27, 2014 22:48
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Good news for Republicans: 53% of Americans agree with Ann Romney that they should have voted for Romney in 2012. Someone better tell Karl Rove; maybe Romney can still pull out a victory in Ohio.
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Jul 27, 2014 22:52
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:But again, if no one actually goes to TNR to see what it looks like, it doesn't matter. The thought process is always "wow, [site I haven't seen before or otherwise have no reason to be skeptical of] is reporting something that confirms my beliefs, better not do any follow up on it." Sure, the Onion/Daily Currant/Duffelblog/etc. look way more obviously satirical if you go to any of those sites, but if all you're looking at is a second-hand reference to the story, it doesn't matter how it's presented on the original site. Naw naw man see when my team does it it's not the same because
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Ah well, even if he tries to make a comeback in 2016 he'll probably do something to spectacularly alienate enough voters again. ...at least that's what I tell myself, that he won't end up being Richard Nixon 2: Electric Boogaloo Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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