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Base Emitter
Apr 1, 2012

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Half life of 7.7 x 1015 years. That's roughly 10,000 times longer than forever.

(e: re the radioactive cadmium bit on the last page)

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

113Cd has a half‐life of 7.7×1015 years. For comparison, 238U, used in orange Fiestaware, has a half‐life more than one million times shorter less than one millionth of that (4.5×109 yr)—and238U is itself not all that radioactive. It’s actually used for radiation shielding against the really dangerous stuff.

In fact, 113Cd is closer in half‐life to 209Bi (1.9×1019 yr), which was thought to be stable for the longest time.

e: A back‐of‐the‐envelope calculation says that organic carbon is ten times as radioactive thanks to 14C, and carbon is certainly not generally considered “a radioactive element” on that account.

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BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000


It can't be a radioactive element if it has any stable isotopes. I'm not being pedantic here; words have meanings. Without knowing the isotope mixture of a given sample of cadmium, you can't say if it's radioactive or not.

But I'm a nuclear engineering student; that article is for chemical engineers and they may have much less stringent definitions for the "radioactive" label.

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.

Platystemon posted:

113Cd has a half‐life of 7.7×1015 years. For comparison, 238U, used in orange Fiestaware, has a half‐life more than one million times shorter

Wait, it decays before it's formed? That's a major breakthrough!

Digiwizzard
Dec 23, 2003


Pork Pro

Platystemon posted:

113Cd has a half‐life of 7.7×1015 years. For comparison, 238U, used in orange Fiestaware, has a half‐life more than one million times shorter (4.5×109 yr)—and238U is itself not all that radioactive. It’s actually used for radiation shielding against the really dangerous stuff.

In fact, 113Cd is closer in half‐life to 209Bi (1.9×1019 yr), which was thought to be stable for the longest time.

e: A back‐of‐the‐envelope calculation says that organic carbon is ten times as radioactive thanks to 14C, and carbon is certainly not generally considered “a radioactive element” on that account.

Ah, thanks. That's fascinating. I knew it had an absurdly long half life but I always thought it was still (very weakly) radioactive because it undergoes decay, but this is why Nuclear Physics isn't my area of expertise.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

I decided to go ahead and look up some numbers.

Natural potassium is composed of 0.012% potassium-40, a radioisotope with a half-life of 1.248 billion years. In spite of this tiny amount, this relatively short (on a cosmological scale) half-life gives natural potassium a specific activity of 31.72 Bq/g.

Natural cadmium contains 12% cadmium-113, as mentioned in that article. It is also a radioisotope but has a much longer half-life of 7.7*1015 years. I tried to look up natural cadmium's specific activity and couldn't find it; it was so vanishingly small that no one cared enough to list in anywhere.

So I ran the numbers myself and came up with 0.00186 Bq/g specific activity in natural cadmium.

Are you still going to call cadmium radioactive as a rule? Do you consider bananas to be radioactive too?

Keiya posted:

Wait, it decays before it's formed? That's a major breakthrough!

Huh?

7.7*1015 / 1.0*106 is 7.7*109 which is still longer than U-238's half life of 4.5*109.

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Digiwizzard
Dec 23, 2003


Pork Pro

BattleMaster posted:

I decided to go ahead and look up some numbers.

Natural potassium is composed of 0.012% potassium-40, a radioisotope with a half-life of 1.248 billion years. In spite of this tiny amount, this relatively short (on a cosmological scale) half-life gives natural potassium a specific activity of 31.72 Bq/g.

Natural cadmium contains 12% cadmium-113, as mentioned in that article. It is also a radioisotope but has a much longer half-life of 7.7*1015 years. I tried to look up natural cadmium's specific activity and couldn't find it; it was so vanishingly small that no one cared enough to list in anywhere.

So I ran the numbers myself and came up with 0.00186 Bq/g specific activity in natural cadmium.

Are you still going to call cadmium radioactive as a rule? Do you consider bananas to be radioactive too?

No, because only a partial amount of the element decays like you said. Not sure why you're getting up in arms about this.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Digiwizzard posted:

No, because only a partial amount of the element decays like you said. Not sure why you're getting up in arms about this.

Because someone was wrong ON THE INTERNET.

Edit: Also it took longer for me to write my post than it did for you to reply to anything so I probably came off as more snarky than the situation warranted

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Digiwizzard
Dec 23, 2003


Pork Pro
:negative: my nuclear credibility...

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

BattleMaster posted:

Huh?

7.7*1015 / 1.0*106 is 7.7*109 which is still longer than U-238's half life of 4.5*109.

I was admittedly a little sloppy with the language. “Times less than” is ill‐defined. “Product A costs five times more than product B” makes perfect sense, but “product B costs five times less than product A” is confusing.

moller
Jan 10, 2007

Swan stole my music and framed me!

BattleMaster posted:

Are you still going to call cadmium radioactive as a rule? Do you consider bananas to be radioactive too?

I was told that eating 1000 bananas increased your risk of death by one micromort.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

moller posted:

I was told that eating 1000 bananas increased your risk of death by one micromort.

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice

Rev. Bleech_ posted:

Aaah, memories. Floppies with a copy of qcrack.exe were all that was necessary for Nerd Stardom back in 1996 :allears:

It never failed that the only guy around with that disk (not just qcrack.exe, but any sort of dubious software back then) was the most obnoxious piece of poo poo that nobody could stand, who would watch you like a hawk while you were using it to make sure you didn't try to copy it. You know, so if anyone wanted to use the software, they had to invite him over.

Irradiation
Sep 14, 2005

I understand your frustration.

Basically what others said. Once you reach a certain cutoff limit for half-lives, an element is considered for all intents and purposes stable. Potassium is far more radioactive than cadmium, but we would laugh if they told us to do a rad inventory on the potassium stocks in our lab.

mints
Aug 15, 2001

Living on past glories

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

It never failed that the only guy around with that disk (not just qcrack.exe, but any sort of dubious software back then) was the most obnoxious piece of poo poo that nobody could stand, who would watch you like a hawk while you were using it to make sure you didn't try to copy it. You know, so if anyone wanted to use the software, they had to invite him over.

Man that's why I used Usenet.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

mints posted:

Man that's why I used Usenet.
So you were the obnoxious kid with the floppy.

mints
Aug 15, 2001

Living on past glories
Oh man, you're right. I think I just told people in class what newsgroup to browse to find it. It wasn't until college that I became the annoying guy that came around, and that was more to share the weekly Essential Mix.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
I remember around 1999, going to a friend of a friend's house and seeing serious online piracy for the first time. This dude had two or three CRT monitors hooked up and a whole wall of media shelves filled with burned VCDs of anime and pirated movies. He got all his stuff from newsgroups and IRC -- he totally cultivated this elitist attitude of secret knowledge -- and it blew my mind as someone who had only dabbled with things like Napster for a few lovely MP3s. I eventually figured out Newsgroups as well (never did grok IRC for file sharing), but to this day IRC and Newsgroups are still to me what my wife calls "some impressively computery looking stuff". As in, from across the room it looks like you're doing some serious Matrix hacker crap. At the time I thought this dude was a wizard or something.



Now I wonder what he did with all those lovely 700MB-quality VCDs about 4 years later when they became worthless.

Another fun newsgroup thing. Comedian Kumail Nanjiani has a new podcast called "The X-Files Files" where he's rewatching the whole series, and he's been going back into the alt.tv.xfiles archives from the time and talking about the fan comments from when the episodes aired. The recent show about the episode "E.B.E." had Dean Haglund of the Lone Gunmen on there, and he had some great anecdotes about the relationship between the show's writers and the newsgroup, and how the few dozen fans posting on there changed the whole show.

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Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

Imagined posted:

Another fun newsgroup thing. Comedian Kumail Nanjiani has a new podcast called "The X-Files Files" where he's rewatching the whole series, and he's been going back into the alt.tv.xfiles archives from the time and talking about the fan comments from when the episodes aired. The recent show about the episode "E.B.E." had Dean Haglund of the Lone Gunmen on there, and he had some great anecdotes about the relationship between the show's writers and the newsgroup, and how the few dozen fans posting on there changed the whole show.

Had to go back a few pages in the Trek thread in TVIV, but someone posted a link to a newsgroup discussion about the first episode of ST:TNG.



Nerds never fuckin' change.

mints
Aug 15, 2001

Living on past glories
Now I want to dig through old discussions about TNG. Or see if anyone made any posts about summer blockbuster movies back in the mid 80s.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

mints posted:

Now I want to dig through old discussions about TNG. Or see if anyone made any posts about summer blockbuster movies back in the mid 80s.
I remember reading archives (can't remember where, or I'd link them) of the BBS nerd slapfights when The Empire Strikes Back was released in 1980. Good stuff, especially when people got mad about it screwing up their fanfiction. :allears:

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
Babylon 5 also had a very active group where JMS responded to comments people were making in regards to the show and revealing behind the scenes snippets and thoughts into how he made the show. Lurker's guide Has several of these quotes neatly summed up each episode.

And this turned up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBDKEn-TeQg

Somewhere in Robert X Cringely's "Nerds" series there's a part on the early days of webcam girls. However that series is fascinating to look through as it's at the height of the . com boom and he interviews so many startups and firms who's quick buck ideas drowned.

axolotl farmer
May 17, 2007

Now I'm going to sing the Perry Mason theme

Imagined posted:

never did grok IRC for file sharing

It was the best of times it was the blurst of times.

IRC file sharing was pretty terrible, but the way to get :filez: before bittorrent was invented. Most ISP didn't provide the alt.binaries hierarchy on usenet, so IRC was the place to go for the latest .mpg of the Simpsons or terrible terrible .rm enocoded anime.

There was this huge script for mIRC called Polaris that worked as a fserve or XDCC serve. People with fast connections ran bots with the Polaris scripts that were fileservers. You would join a channel like #futurama-mpeg or #m4ng0st333n_w4r3z and stick around for a bit.

A bot would tell you the rules, and if you didn't follow them, got kickbanned. Some channels allowed you to say !list, which would make all compliant bots send you a list of files in a private message. You would then send request to the bot, which placed you in line a file. Then you just had to wait for everyone else to get their files or get dropped from a huge netsplit or some other random glitch. If you were lucky, eventually the bot would set up a binary transfer and send over the requested file. Large files were often divided into chunks of 25M each in a split .rar archive.

Other bots would run adds for ftp servers. These were also really annoying.

If you got lucky or knew someone you could be let into private IRC channels or get logins for ftp servers with no lines. The few people on fast connections were expected to serve if they wanted to get in on the good stuff. I had a feeling there were a lot of these servers on university Unix accounts.

e:

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sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006


I knew one of the guys in that screenshot :allears:

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I sort of ran one of those channels for 10 years. Had 800 people at it's peak. Looking back, probably a very bad idea.

movax
Aug 30, 2008

I kinda miss those days a bit. fserves, XDCCs, rewards of voice or half-op status if you really contributed.

I remember SysReset and UPP being somewhat popular scripts for mIRC also.

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

One surprisingly easy and smooth way of getting warez back in the day was to simply look at usenet, in regular text posts, merely using Outlook Express and my ISP's usenet access. Some people would make a post like "New FTP up, ftp.warez.com:21, user/pass so and so, rules so and so", and one could just connect and start downloading; some requiring a small amount of uploading (maybe a 10:1 download/upload ratio).

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan
I was too poor to afford a modem so it was all floppies from my friend's coolgoony uncle.

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Rap Game Goku
Apr 2, 2008

Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs


Back in high school (late 90s) I was that guy and had a Mac. Which meant piracy was a little different. Or maybe it wasn't, but the go to for that stuff was Hotline and then later Carracho.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotline_Communications

P2P before P2P was a thing. Software hasn't been updated since 2003, although I'm sure there are still servers out there somewhere.

minato
Jun 7, 2004

cutty cain't hang, say 7-up.
Taco Defender
G-code, otherwise known as a VCR Plus+, VideoPlus+ and ShowView

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_recorder_scheduling_code

Back in the 90s when VCRs were too complex for mere mortals to program, someone came up with the bright idea of publishing codes in the TV Guides that you'd enter into your VCR and they'd correspond to the time/channel/duration for the program. Worked pretty well as I recall. Made obsolete by Tivo and Bittorrent.

The algorithm for decoding the 4-8 digit codes was remarkably complex. For some reason the makers of G-code thought it best to encrypt the codes, I guess so they could sell the information to TV Guide.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/782/how-do-the-tv-program-codes-for-vcr-plus-work

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
G-Code was so hit and miss as sports or the schedule in general would change unexpectedly, (In Aust, Channel 9 was infamous with this), so you end up recording something else entirely. It was more efficient to just press record when the program was in.

On that note there also was the V-Chip, which screened out content set above a particular rating encouraged by misguided reports we were raising a generation of violence addicted kids. Every TV from Jan 2000 had to have it installed, but the result was that barely any parents actually used it or were aware of it but didn't see the point in setting it up as it would otherwise disrupt regular viewing.

Also at the time there was almost no real need to buy a new TV so the market was a very very slow adopter. And even today content locks are still rarely used as they interrupt with regular viewing.

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hirvox
Sep 8, 2009

WebDog posted:

G-Code was so hit and miss as sports or the schedule in general would change unexpectedly, (In Aust, Channel 9 was infamous with this), so you end up recording something else entirely. It was more efficient to just press record when the program was in.
PDC/VPS was supposed to fix that issue but transmitting codes when the programme was actually about to start or end. Not that anyone used it..

gleep gloop
Aug 16, 2005

GROSS SHIT

axolotl farmer posted:

Large files were often divided into chunks of 25M each in a split .rar archive.


And even today some places still annoyingly do this, especially if you're downloaded something immediately after it airs. Not quite that small but it's still common to see hour long shows broken into 20 or so .rars. How far piracy has come really is amazing, you no longer have to worry about downloading what you think is the Simpsons and getting hosed up porn or an exotic second world virus. Well not as much as in the kazaa and napster days.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


thethirdman posted:

See also uranium glass.

Sometimes at vintage malls or estate sales you'll see a random person with a Geiger counter trying to find real Fiesta ware or uranium glass. Here's a video of someone using a Geiger counter on red Fiesta ware:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wluxzlMkoyw
I'm the guy who goes through the glassware section at thrift stores with a blacklight pen, uranium glass glows bright green under UV light. They're usually a dollar or two and they either make neat display pieces with a few UV LEDs or can be flipped for $10 or so on eBay.

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pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!

gleep gloop posted:

And even today some places still annoyingly do this, especially if you're downloaded something immediately after it airs. Not quite that small but it's still common to see hour long shows broken into 20 or so .rars. How far piracy has come really is amazing, you no longer have to worry about downloading what you think is the Simpsons and getting hosed up porn or an exotic second world virus. Well not as much as in the kazaa and napster days.

They usually came from newsgroups that way.

blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

GWBBQ posted:

I'm the guy who goes through the glassware section at thrift stores with a blacklight pen, uranium glass glows bright green under UV light. They're usually a dollar or two and they either make neat display pieces with a few UV LEDs or can be flipped for $10 or so on eBay.

Well I know what I'm doing this Saturday.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


The first 'smart phone'

IBM Simon



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Simon

quote:

The IBM Simon Personal Communicator was a handheld, touchscreen cellular phone and PDA designed and engineered by International Business Machines Corp. (IBM) and assembled under contract by Mitsubishi Electric Corp. BellSouth Cellular Corp. distributed the Simon Personal Communicator in the United States between August 1994 and February 1995, selling 50,000 units. The Simon Personal Communicator was the first cellular phone to include telephone and PDA features in one device.

I kind of want one for laughs

Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Humphreys posted:

I kind of want one for laughs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Simon-First-Smart-Phone-Works-/400758781989

Knock yourself out.

mystes
May 31, 2006

You presumably wouldn't be able to use it as a phone, though, since it must have been analog, so it would just be a really giant and heavy PDA.

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strangemusic
Aug 7, 2008

I shield you because I need charge
Is not because I like you or anything!


I have an obsolete and failed technology to post that I'm very happy to obtain! Dual TG 27 four track tape recorder from 1968. It doesn't work, but I can fix it, and it was only $25 with a reel of tape. I'm going to track/print so much stuff on this old bastard.

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