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Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

I miss shim gently caress you whip

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Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

Lazy Reservist posted:

Der Judenreich seems to finally be applying L2 from 1939-1945. Looks like Poland Gaza is being blitzed and Sudentenland the West Bank is next. Of course, Russia's Premier is just dying to implement Holodomor Part two. And with the rise of the new Caliphate, we get all the oppression of the Ottoman Empire, sans the whimsy. Plus, the Norks just said they wanted to nuke the White House and Pentagon (Dear God, please do!), but this seems like more of their micro-penis waving aggression. The PRC is spending itself into oblivion, despite putting out some pretty cool tech. If the US dollar ever collapses, they'll realize they're left holding the world's biggest bar tab, while the drunk who left them with it is laughing all the way home. Bottom line, the world is going to poo poo, we can't (or won't) do poo poo about it, and the only thing left to do is wait to ride the mushroom cloud. Pending any questions, this concludes my briefing.

you addicted to parenthesis you loving weirdo what the gently caress is this dumb poo poo?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I don't think the world is going to poo poo.

Barnsy
Jul 22, 2013

GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:



http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/50691002

lol i'm not sure israel is even pretending anymore

Israel isn't at war, they're just helping raze all the old buildings so they can build new ones (for Israelis).

movax
Aug 30, 2008

Dead Reckoning posted:

Looks like they're giving your advice a shot:
The Atlantic: Bloody Weekend in Gaza :nws:





:stare: goddamn, those pictures. Cocksmiths on both sides.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

movax posted:

:stare: goddamn, those pictures. Cocksmiths on both sides.

This is what I pictured the entire middle east looking like while I was a kid, after seeing how things were in Beirut.

DinosaurWarfare
Apr 27, 2010

movax posted:

:stare: goddamn, those pictures. Cocksmiths on both sides.

the k:d ratio seems to make it appear more like mike tyson in his prime vs an infant

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Back on the topic of Russian sanctions, a Dutch arbitrator yesterday ordered Russia to pay $50 bn in damages to shareholders of the oil company Yukos. People here may remember how the owner was arrested on trumped up charges back in 2003 in order to solidify the state's monopoly on the energy sector. If Russia rejects the ruling (likely), it would open up their foreign assets to seizure, so it looks like they're kind of hosed either way.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Odds that Israel wouldn't be jizzing bombs all over Gaza if Russia wasn't getting all uppity?

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Godholio posted:

Odds that Israel wouldn't be jizzing bombs all over Gaza if Russia wasn't getting all uppity?

None, once they got the taste of killing, they discovered that murdering browns is p good feeling.

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

I wonder if the Israelis are going all-out now since they know that once they start a genocide, they better finish too, or else the survivors are gonna be as hosed up and stuffed full of generation-transcending issues as they themselves are.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.
I wonder what Gaza would look like if we sold Israel some B52s or B-1s

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

Dead Reckoning posted:

The only reason we give a poo poo about Israel is that there isn't a well-financed Palestinian lobby that can turn out the vote.

Also Evangelicals lusting after the end times.

But those two issues are kind of related.

Genocide Tendency
Dec 24, 2009

I get mental health care from the medical equivalent of Skillcraft.


TCD posted:

I wonder what Gaza would look like if we sold Israel some B52s or B-1s

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.

Godholio posted:

Odds that Israel wouldn't be jizzing bombs all over Gaza if Russia wasn't getting all uppity?

I saw talk that if the US administration keeps going down the anti-Israel road that the Israelis might just suck up to Putin, since he's obviously the strong horse

Also apparently about 25% of the Gaza-launched rockets land in Gaza and they're counting antiwar protesters they summarily execute (because that's what Hama's does with peaceniks, apparently, because they're 'Israeli collaborators) and those misfired rocket kills as civilian war casualties

(Workposting or I'd add links)

Snowdens Secret fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Jul 30, 2014

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Snowdens Secret posted:

I saw talk that if the US administration keeps going down the anti-Israel road that the Israelis might just suck up to Putin, since he's obviously the strong horse


yeah sometimes I can't avoid reading youtube comments too

Blotto Skorzany
Nov 7, 2008

He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip
Ah yase I'm sure Putin who blames "Jewish oligarchs" for Yanukovych's ouster is totes down with Israel

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx
College Slice

Snowdens Secret posted:

I saw talk that if the US administration keeps going down the anti-Israel road that the Israelis might just suck up to Putin, since he's obviously the strong horse

Israel is so filled with ethnic Russians who immigrated after the Soviet collapse that Putin might try pulling a Crimea on it.

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

The massive Russian navy base in Syria seems to be safe for the time being, so he might not be looking for a replacement right now.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Well I'm sure Russia's storied history of pro-Jewish pogroms programs will make Israel cozy right on up to them.

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx
College Slice

psydude posted:

Well I'm sure Russia's storied history of pro-Jewish pogroms programs will make Israel cozy right on up to them.

Ol' grandpa Stalin even built them a back-up homeland/concentration camp in Siberia!

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Good, maybe we can end this lovely one-sided relationship.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Casimir Radon posted:

Good, maybe we can end this lovely one-sided relationship.

Putin taking it on would be even better for us, honestly.

chemosh6969
Jul 3, 2004

code:
cat /dev/null > /etc/professionalism

I am in fact a massive asswagon.
Do not let me touch computer.

Fojar38 posted:

I don't think the world is going to poo poo.

http://www.newstatesman.com/media/2014/07/why-sun-s-boy-devil-mark-front-page-should-make-you-uneasy

Jesus is coming back

CSM
Jan 29, 2014

56th Motorized Infantry 'Mariupol' Brigade
Seh' die Welt in Trummern liegen

Snowdens Secret posted:

Also apparently about 25% of the Gaza-launched rockets land in Gaza and they're counting antiwar protesters they summarily execute (because that's what Hama's does with peaceniks, apparently, because they're 'Israeli collaborators) and those misfired rocket kills as civilian war casualties

(Workposting or I'd add links)
Here's a link:

quote:

UNRWA Strongly Condemns Israeli Shelling of Its School in Gaza as a Serious Violation of International Law

Statement by UNRWA Commissioner-General Pierre Krähenbühl

Last night, children were killed as they slept next to their parents on the floor of a classroom in a UN designated shelter in Gaza. Children killed in their sleep; this is an affront to all of us, a source of universal shame. Today the world stands disgraced.

We have visited the site and gathered evidence. We have analysed fragments, examined craters and other damage. Our initial assessment is that it was Israeli artillery that hit our school, in which 3,300 people had sought refuge. We believe there were at least three impacts. It is too early to give a confirmed official death toll. But we know that there were multiple civilian deaths and injuries including of women and children and the UNRWA guard who was trying to protect the site. These are people who were instructed to leave their homes by the Israeli army.

The precise location of the Jabalia Elementary Girls School and the fact that it was housing thousands of internally displaced people was communicated to the Israeli army seventeen times, to ensure its protection; the last being at ten to nine last night, just hours before the fatal shelling.

I condemn in the strongest possible terms this serious violation of international law by Israeli forces.

This is the sixth time that one of our schools has been struck. Our staff, the very people leading the humanitarian response are being killed. Our shelters are overflowing. Tens of thousands may soon be stranded in the streets of Gaza, without food, water and shelter if attacks on these areas continue.

We have moved beyond the realm of humanitarian action alone. We are in the realm of accountability. I call on the international community to take deliberate international political action to put an immediate end to the continuing carnage.

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/unrwa-strongly-condemns-israeli-shelling-its-school-gaza-serious

Snowdens Secret
Dec 29, 2008
Someone got you a obnoxiously racist av.
Yeah basically Hamas can't get its guys to figure out that when you launch rockets out of a UNRWA school courtyard you have to make sure the school isn't in the rocket's path. Oops! It's cool, when you post the deathcounts from 'due to the war with Jewish aggressors' you can count on the Western press to change that to 'from Israeli shells.'

And even if the Israelis show pictures showing the impacts clearly on the wrong side of the building you can get your Hamas guys who also work for UNWRA (as stated before they're thoroughly penetrated) to route up a statement of disagreement and grave concern. Safe!

Frankly I'm surprised UNRWA admitted they've found a third school used as a Hamas missile magazine / launch point. Doesn't say if they gave those missiles back to Hamas, too.

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

Snowdens Secret posted:

Yeah basically Hamas can't get its guys to figure out that when you launch rockets out of a UNRWA school courtyard you have to make sure the school isn't in the rocket's path. Oops! It's cool, when you post the deathcounts from 'due to the war with Jewish aggressors' you can count on the Western press to change that to 'from Israeli shells.'

And even if the Israelis show pictures showing the impacts clearly on the wrong side of the building you can get your Hamas guys who also work for UNWRA (as stated before they're thoroughly penetrated) to route up a statement of disagreement and grave concern. Safe!

Frankly I'm surprised UNRWA admitted they've found a third school used as a Hamas missile magazine / launch point. Doesn't say if they gave those missiles back to Hamas, too.

Ca... Caro? but you're dead

Courthouse
Jul 23, 2013

Snowdens Secret posted:

I saw talk that if the US administration keeps going down the anti-Israel road that the Israelis might just suck up to Putin, since he's obviously the strong horse

I also saw the other day China is selling aircraft carriers to Hamaz, so Congress better sell Israel some more strategic arms right quick! Also, they need to give Israel some money to buy said arms with. Throw in the rendition of Kerry while you're at it. Or else the terrorists win!

quote:

Hamas guys who also work for UNWRA (as stated before they're thoroughly penetrated)

This is something I see thrown around a lot, but never cited. Is there any actual numbers/data on this from someone who isn't currently explaining why he decided to shell some puppy orphanage? As in; actually Hamas and not just people who are locals and possibly voted for some guy with a beard this one time they went to the polls, maybe, probably.







Also, judging from some of the footage of the aerial bombardment, presuming those IAF pilots are not also secretly Hamas infiltrators, are dropping munitions powerful enough to gently caress up an entire neighborhood. So unless we are arguing here that entire neighborhoods are filled with nothing but valid targets, lets just drop the pretense and admit Israel doesn't give much of a poo poo about the collaterals, and the target designation goes 'pali in gaza not in diapers = hamaz = armed terrorist = valid target' with little concern for how well linked that state of mind is.

If we are handing out awards for not committing genocide, I guess they get one. Israel is morally superior to the people leading the Palestinians by quite a degree. But the actions in Gaza is not some morally correct humanitarian effort, it is led by cold hearted pragmatists who don't give a flying poo poo how many orphanages are bombed so long as they meet their objectives. When you say the ends justify the means, it becomes silly to then pretend the reality of the means away. They are not trying to do what's right, they are trying to win.




With that said I am kind of at a loss as to what the Israeli endgame is. The current siege and settlement policy towards gaza and the west bank does not have a clear solution that does not involve expelling all the Arabs. Which from an amoral practical point of view would be the :godwin: solution to the I/P situation. But I don't see Israel having the balls, lack of humanity or ability to weather the decades of sanctions involved in that kind of endgame. Not without some serious gamechanger.
Nor does it seem likely the Palestinians will simply calm down and accept a peace treaty with the old borders. There's too many young hotheads with nothing to lose fueled both by Israels suppression and foreign support for the conflict to die down peacefully under current conditions. So how, exactly, do the Israeli hawks see their policies leading to peace, and what does that peace look like?

Courthouse fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jul 30, 2014

RonMexicosPitbull
Feb 28, 2012

by Ralp

Snowdens Secret posted:

Yeah basically Hamas can't get its guys to figure out that when you launch rockets out of a UNRWA school courtyard you have to make sure the school isn't in the rocket's path. Oops! It's cool, when you post the deathcounts from 'due to the war with Jewish aggressors' you can count on the Western press to change that to 'from Israeli shells.'

And even if the Israelis show pictures showing the impacts clearly on the wrong side of the building you can get your Hamas guys who also work for UNWRA (as stated before they're thoroughly penetrated) to route up a statement of disagreement and grave concern. Safe!

Frankly I'm surprised UNRWA admitted they've found a third school used as a Hamas missile magazine / launch point. Doesn't say if they gave those missiles back to Hamas, too.

I clicked into the dnd thread out of curiosity and its shocking how much hamas cum they'll swallow and nod their heads asking for more. Even from wherever you stand on the issue its just unnerving.

RonMexicosPitbull fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Jul 30, 2014

chemosh6969
Jul 3, 2004

code:
cat /dev/null > /etc/professionalism

I am in fact a massive asswagon.
Do not let me touch computer.

Snowdens Secret posted:

Frankly I'm surprised UNRWA admitted they've found a third school used as a Hamas missile magazine / launch point. Doesn't say if they gave those missiles back to Hamas, too.

How many people were staying there in the shelter? Were their teepee rods make of rockets and the fabric used for walls made from the leathery skin of Jewish babies?

CSM
Jan 29, 2014

56th Motorized Infantry 'Mariupol' Brigade
Seh' die Welt in Trummern liegen

Snowdens Secret posted:

Yeah basically Hamas can't get its guys to figure out that when you launch rockets out of a UNRWA school courtyard you have to make sure the school isn't in the rocket's path. Oops! It's cool, when you post the deathcounts from 'due to the war with Jewish aggressors' you can count on the Western press to change that to 'from Israeli shells.'

And even if the Israelis show pictures showing the impacts clearly on the wrong side of the building you can get your Hamas guys who also work for UNWRA (as stated before they're thoroughly penetrated) to route up a statement of disagreement and grave concern. Safe!
Did you miss this part, or did you just willfully ignore it?

quote:

We have visited the site and gathered evidence. We have analysed fragments, examined craters and other damage. Our initial assessment is that it was Israeli artillery that hit our school, in which 3,300 people had sought refuge. We believe there were at least three impacts.

CSM
Jan 29, 2014

56th Motorized Infantry 'Mariupol' Brigade
Seh' die Welt in Trummern liegen
Oh wait, you think the UN is in on the conspiracy against poor plucky Israel, got it.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
^DnD leakage.

RonMexicosPitbull posted:

I clicked into the dnd thread out of curiosity and its shocking how much hamas cum they'll swallow and nod their heads asking for more. Even from wherever you stand on the issue its just unnerving.

Well it is DND. I'm pretty sure there is a stern defense of Putin's fight against Western Aggression and Isolation going on there.

Anansi The Spider
Jan 30, 2014

loved basic so much I decided to stay

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Is it me or does that seem to also imply Iranian's are morons? I mean poo poo, North Korea, the short bus of nations, can do that and has been doing that for a long time.

Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jul 30, 2014

Courthouse
Jul 23, 2013

gfanikf posted:

Is it me or does that seem to also imply Iranian's are morons? I mean poo poo, North Korea, the short bus of nations, can do that and has been doing that for a long time.

I might be a bit biased here, but is the 'never again' supposed to be a bad thing? Cause all my morals go out the window if the choice is between nukes and me not getting holocausted.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Courthouse posted:

I might be a bit biased here, but is the 'never again' supposed to be a bad thing? Cause all my morals go out the window if the choice is between nukes and me not getting holocausted.

Beats me, but I wouldn't think so.

Anansi The Spider
Jan 30, 2014

loved basic so much I decided to stay

gfanikf posted:

Is it me or does that seem to also imply Iranian's are morons? I mean poo poo, North Korea, the short bus of nations, can do that and has been doing that for a long time.



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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


gfanikf posted:

Is it me or does that seem to also imply Iranian's are morons? I mean poo poo, North Korea, the short bus of nations, can do that and has been doing that for a long time.
Well we haven't exactly been actively preventing them from having those things like we have with Iran. North Korea is such a closed society that they can get away with it.

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Genocide Tendency
Dec 24, 2009

I get mental health care from the medical equivalent of Skillcraft.


CSM posted:

Did you miss this part, or did you just willfully ignore it?

Devil's advocate and all. I think the point he was trying to get at was that Hamas is using UN schools as a storage and launch site. Israel is taking out storage and launch sites. See the issue here?

Israel is intentionally targeting Hamas, not schools. Maybe, just maybe its a tad wrong for Hamas launch teams to be using schools as their protection. And maybe, just maybe, the UN should do something about Hamas hanging around and launching rockets from its schools.

I was on the fence about this Israel/Palestinian conflict for years. And the school shelling/Hamas storage issue pretty much helped me make my call. Israel should erase any and all evidence that Islam ever existed. Here is a pretty simple break down to think about :

I have no idea when the last time a kike strapped a bomb to his chest and blew up a market. But its probably been a while. For filthy rag heads, its been 15 minutes. I'm siding with the Jews.

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