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John Cena posted:Super Attitude Adjustment. Username/post combination of the century right here. Isn't the fact that the Burning Hammer has never been kicked out of mostly due to its effect of straight-up murdering a motherfucker?
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that, and it's pretty much Kobashi's last resort move. I like the idea of wrestlers having a Last Resort type finisher that's only brought out in the most dire of situations, and it never fails. Kind of like Orton's punt.
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Aug 1, 2014 04:47
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oatgan posted:i could swear i've seen someone no-sell the cobra before I think it was Cesaro.
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Aug 1, 2014 04:55
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I'm pretty sure undertaker kicked out of the spear in that one match he had against the shield with team hell no.
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Aug 1, 2014 05:11
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how many indie wrestlers do you think adopted the burning hammer as a transitional move
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Aug 1, 2014 05:12
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Cardboard Box posted:how many indie wrestlers do you think adopted the burning hammer as a transitional move I've only ever seen it in backyard wrestling. Anybody good enough to make even a small name for themselves on the indies isn't usually that stupid oatgan fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Aug 1, 2014 |
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Aug 1, 2014 05:13
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I should clarify that by "indie wrestlers" I meant the ones who aren't good enough to make a name for themselves but yeah that's definitely a thing I'd expect backyarders to do
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Aug 1, 2014 05:45
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Cardboard Box posted:how many indie wrestlers do you think adopted the burning hammer as a transitional move tyler reks and mark briscoe used them as finishers
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Aug 1, 2014 05:57
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Reks' was basically just an inverted Attitude Adjustment, though.
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Aug 1, 2014 06:03
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I think it was an IWA:MS match last year or the year prior. A guy used a burning hammer and his opponent kicked out at one. Eddie Kingston I THINK was on commentary started flipping his poo poo about how horrible it was.
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Aug 1, 2014 06:15
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I think Orton's punt is the most protected finisher in the WWE probably ever.
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Aug 1, 2014 06:49
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When matches can only end with finishers you need to start kicking out of them to have believable near falls. This is a problem for both WWE and NJPW right now.
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Aug 1, 2014 07:24
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Basic Chunnel posted:Reks' was basically just an inverted Attitude Adjustment, though. Everybody is always talking about turning Cena heel, but I think the real money lies in introducing Bizarro Cena who does the inverted AA. I love the inverted AA.
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Aug 1, 2014 08:23
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Tokyo Slutty Gal posted:When matches can only end with finishers you need to start kicking out of them to have believable near falls. This is a problem for both WWE and NJPW right now. Anyway, the protected status of a move doesn't really factor in the context of a good match as it's watched anyhow, so it matters little in general beyond a "linear championship"-style arbitrary ranking impulse Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Aug 1, 2014 |
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Aug 1, 2014 08:32
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Basic Chunnel posted:I think with the right kind of pacing that can be mitigated. A creative finisher reversal into a pin, for example, protects the move while providing a good near-fall I may still just be struggling to deal with the awfulness that is the current WWE announce team, but I feel like it has a LOT to do with how the announcers sell it, too. Jim Ross faked me into so many false finishes, even ones in matches that I knew easily weren't over yet. I never truly felt like I knew when a match was going to be over with JR. A talented announcer changes everything. Cole just does not sell false finishes like JR did. And as much as Lawler annoys the piss out of me, he was much more effective at selling them with JR by his side.
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Aug 1, 2014 08:42
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Was Roderick Strong really in Birdemic?
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John Cena posted:that, and it's pretty much Kobashi's last resort move. I like the idea of wrestlers having a Last Resort type finisher that's only brought out in the most dire of situations, and it never fails. Kind of like Orton's punt. Yeah, it was only used 7 times (I think?), all during the peak of Kobashi's career. And going by youtube clips his last one also looks way different than the first, the landing was way more on the shoulders than the head/neck. Some of the early ones look like he's trying to kill the earth with his opponent's skull. 
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Basic Chunnel posted:I think with the right kind of pacing that can be mitigated. A creative finisher reversal into a pin, for example, protects the move while providing a good near-fall
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Aug 1, 2014 15:25
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How many televised clean losses did Antonio Inoki have in his career?
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Aug 1, 2014 16:26
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Bigass Moth posted:How many televised clean losses did Antonio Inoki have in his career? depends. is there a Japanese equivalent of C-SPAN?
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Bigass Moth posted:How many televised clean losses did Antonio Inoki have in his career? Didn't Vader squashing him nearly cause a riot? So I doubt they dipped into that well too often.
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Aug 1, 2014 16:37
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Is Inoki a bigger lunatic than Vince? I mean Vince has his insane money holes like WBF and XFL, but there's that picture of him dressing up and getting crucified at a show and announcing he's been a secret Muslim for decades to get heat at Pakistani shows. Basically it seems they are both insane wrestling geniuses.
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CobiWann posted:Was Roderick Strong really in Birdemic? no, I think there's a character that just looks a lot like him or something.
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Cardboard Box posted:no, I think there's a character that just looks a lot like him or something. Main character looks like him and is named Rod
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Aug 1, 2014 17:55
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even better!! I haven't kept up with the lovely low-budget horror movie culture since high school so I haven't seen all these Birdemics and Sharknados and whatever else the kids are raving about
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Aug 1, 2014 17:57
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Sharknado is bad on purpose. Birdemic is bad on accident and is ten thousand times more glorious than anything except maybe The Room(hello doggy). I mean, it's called Birdemic and the birds don't even show up for 47 minutes.D Lambent posted:I may still just be struggling to deal with the awfulness that is the current WWE announce team, but I feel like it has a LOT to do with how the announcers sell it, too. Jim Ross faked me into so many false finishes, even ones in matches that I knew easily weren't over yet. I never truly felt like I knew when a match was going to be over with JR. A talented announcer changes everything. Cole just does not sell false finishes like JR did. And as much as Lawler annoys the piss out of me, he was much more effective at selling them with JR by his side. Since you're just returning you might not know that basically everything Cole says is a parrot of what Vince is currently screaming in his ear.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:08
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projecthalaxy posted:Is Inoki a bigger lunatic than Vince? I mean Vince has his insane money holes like WBF and XFL, but there's that picture of him dressing up and getting crucified at a show and announcing he's been a secret Muslim for decades to get heat at Pakistani shows. Basically it seems they are both insane wrestling geniuses. Absolutely yes, Inoki is the craziest man in wrestling. Like, he's beyond even Great Power Uti.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:10
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This is a reminder that Kurt Angle is in Sharknado 2.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:12
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Absolutely yes, Inoki is the craziest man in wrestling. Like, he's beyond even Great Power Uti.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:20
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Mob posted:Sharknado is bad on purpose. Birdemic is bad on accident and is ten thousand times more glorious than anything except maybe The Room(hello doggy). I mean, it's called Birdemic and the birds don't even show up for 47 minutes. Birdimic is the touching love story of two people with autism. There is then a bird attack, and it might have a political message.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:20
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Which one is the one where Jerry Lawler piledrives a zombie to death?
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Aug 1, 2014 19:20
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Man, I'm currently watching Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H from WM 30 and I will be damned if Triple H's entrance isn't perfect in every conceivable way. My question is, does anybody know who came up with that entrance or if it was solely Triple H's idea? Because it's a genius piece of satire and I cannot put into words how much more I'd love Triple H if that was all his idea.
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bobkatt013 posted:Birdimic is the touching love story of two people with autism. There is then a bird attack, and it might have a political message. "...such as seals."
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Kind of related to my last question: Is there material about the cinematography of wrestling? They're doing a bit of analyzing of this over at the comic book thread in Cinema Discusso and watching Triple H's entrance from WM 30 made me think how nice it'd be to have something similar for wrestling, discussing composition, staging, lighting and whatnot. Is there something about this one could read, or is there interest in a thread about it if I made one?
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Grendels Dad posted:Kind of related to my last question: Is there material about the cinematography of wrestling? They're doing a bit of analyzing of this over at the comic book thread in Cinema Discusso and watching Triple H's entrance from WM 30 made me think how nice it'd be to have something similar for wrestling, discussing composition, staging, lighting and whatnot. Is there something about this one could read, or is there interest in a thread about it if I made one? I've never seen anything but if there was it would hopefully only cover up until two years ago when the Shield debuted because everything since then has been WOAAAAHHHH SHAKYCAM WOAAHHHH ACTION HAPPENING HERE WOAHHHHH
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Aug 1, 2014 19:57
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Grendels Dad posted:Kind of related to my last question: Is there material about the cinematography of wrestling? They're doing a bit of analyzing of this over at the comic book thread in Cinema Discusso and watching Triple H's entrance from WM 30 made me think how nice it'd be to have something similar for wrestling, discussing composition, staging, lighting and whatnot. Is there something about this one could read, or is there interest in a thread about it if I made one? Honestly, it should be shot more the way professional sports are shot, and less the way television shows or movies are shot. The idea is to recreate the live experience of being at a wrestling show.
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That's true, the decline in quality in that regard has been pretty steep. But it's not the only aspect I've been thinking about. Catching the action in-ring strikes me more like a sports-related thing, but there are also story-telling elements to the filming itself and I wonder if anybody tried to analyze it. edit: To give an example, in what ways are monster heels filmed? Are there distinct ways of filming them that communicate their absolute dominance, camera angles and suchlike? I want to say there are, but would have to do some research because up until now I never thought about it.
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Aug 1, 2014 20:01
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Luigi Thirty posted:Which one is the one where Jerry Lawler piledrives a zombie to death? Not sure but this weekend I'm planning on showing PRO WRESTLERS VS. ZOMBIES in synchtube so maybe Hacksaw will 2x4 a zombie or something
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Oh I see what you're asking, yeah there's probably nothing about it and won't be for some time because literally everyone involved in wrestling is a gigantic baby who feels like it's all some big secret and everything has to be protected. They don't want anyone to see it for what it is(a TV show/improv theatre)
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That's sad, but to be expected. What's also sad is that this is something where academics could easily do some analyzing by themselves, but I guess nobody wants to have "The cinematic language of professional wrestling" on their list of publications because it'd make them look like a massive geek.
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